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[X] Appease Zangetsu

Because even when I know nothing of Bleach. Like, absolutely nothing. I realise this is not a pissing contest we should be having my god.
 
[X] Appease Zangetsu

So, I'm kind of weirded out by the appease Zangetsu option being exclusive to the others, since that seems like something we could just do by... you know, not trying to restrain him and giving him time, like he asked?

It doesn't seem like something we'd actually have to do actively, and it could be accomplished while doing pretty much anything else?
 
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Part of why I prefer going with Zangetsu is because ultimately he's the one who's going to have our back most of the time. This prank aside, it's clear that he cares about us, and ultimately I think we should try to care for his feelings and priorities in turn. To borrow his allegory, we might be king, but there's no reason to be a tyrant.
 
VagrantPhantasm said:
[X] Appease Zangetsu

So, I'm kind of weirded out by the appease Zangetsu option being exclusive to the others, since that seems like something we could just do by... you know, not trying to restrain him and giving him time, like he asked?

It doesn't seem like something we'd actually have to do actively, and it could be accomplished while doing pretty much anything else?
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It probably involves a lot of meditation to get into the inner world.
 
Zangetsu didn't even pull a prank. That isn't a fucking prank. Gd.

Y'all acting like he vanished when a fuck huge hollow was about to murder us. Get real, we all know that Ichigo had this in the bag. His little nudge is somehow burning our house down and grounds for replacing him? How the hell else is Zangetsu supposed to make us listen or notice? Straining wasn't enough.

So far all we've done is take. We knew he wanted to be shown off, we knew he didn't like being restrained, we knew we had plenty of options to give back to the sword that is literally Ichigo.

We repeatedly refused to be a good partner and king.

The fact that people are digging in their heels and acting like Zangetsu just abandoned us in a life or death situation- that's far more childish and tantrum like than Zangetsu has ever been.

Good job being unrepentant hypocrites!
 
arsdraconis said:
Pitching a hissy fit because you don't get what you want is not likely to make people give you what you want

A lesson to both you and Zangetsu
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This is not a hissy fit. This is us having an upcoming fight with a Captain. A brutal, ridiculously powerful, blood knight that will kill us if we're not good enough to survive the fight.

No. This is far from a hissy fit. This is bewilderment at the sheer lack of self-preservation instinct it takes to willfully choose to not make amends with Zangetsu--to not be anywhere near our best--when we have to fight Zaraki Fucking Kenpachi, and instead go visit Kukaku "because Yoruichi, tho" (and that's assuming it's not just Ganju she's talking about right now and people aren't jumping the gun).

Sending a message back to Ichigo's family is all well and good, but being able to survive long enough to go see them in person sounds a hell of a lot better.

All three of the options sound great, and I'd love to get to each of them eventually, but two of them will keep for four weeks, while one of them will help us get back in top form for a dangerous fight we know is coming but not when. When a life-and-death battle is on the horizon, but you don't know exactly when it will happen, treating it like it's right around the corner--even if it's not--and being prepared for it is a much better choice than the reverse.

On our current list of priorities, social calls (especially when they have such generous time limits) should rank below survival.

Now, some people may be saying "but Zangetsu would never pull that shit in a real fight", and they might be right. But they might also be wrong. I, for one, would like to never learn the answer to that particular question.
 
[X] Appease Zangetsu

I'm not happy with the wording of this vote(unless by 'appease', you mean 'beat the shit out of for doing such a thing', sure), but yeah, definitely don't want any issues between a Zanpakuto and it's wielder to be there for long. And if necessary, I will be pushing for looking IC for the info Isshin mentioned in canon, so Zangetsu can shut the fuck up about wanting to stay unreleased. If he wants to in SS/Hueco Mundo, fine. Just not in the goddamn Living World where we want to go!
 
[X] Appease Zangetsu

We should be able to do at least one of the other options after this. Jibobobobo wasn't ever really a threat so Zangetsu's stunt wasn't that super big of a deal. Let's give our ol' boy a bone for once.
 
Sinkquattro said:
[X] Appease Zangetsu

We should be able to do at least one of the other options after this. Jibobobobo wasn't ever really a threat so Zangetsu's stunt wasn't that super big of a deal. Let's give our ol' boy a bone for once.
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It's like your very fluffy cat huking a hairball up in front of company. Embarrassing, but not dangerous, and it wouldn't have happened if you'd been a better owner and brush your Maine Coon during shedding season.

If there is one thing that Jackson Galaxy and his show has taught me, it's that the problem is always the owner's fault on some level. Any acting out is a symptom of something the owners have done wrong.

The first thing you think of as a solution should never be to get a new cat, or get rid of your current cat by sending it to a suspicious pound. Same thing for dogs or birds or even fish. You look up possible reasons why or get help some other way. Amazingly, this is also often the case for relationships with people!

Swords are just more metally living beings, as taught by Bleach and Touken Ranbo. Don't send your sword brother to a suspicious pound just because of a slightly embarrassed 'hey why aren't you meeting me half way here'.

Shit it's like requesting a new baby from the maternity ward cuz yours has colic
 
There's also the fact that Ichigo as a shinigami can and will be judged on some level by the relationship he has with his zanpakutou since said zanpakutou is a major part of his fighting style and power.
 
Vicjer said:
This is not a hissy fit. This is us having an upcoming fight with a Captain. A brutal, ridiculously powerful, blood knight that will kill us if we're not good enough to survive the fight.

No. This is far from a hissy fit. This is bewilderment at the sheer lack of self-preservation instinct it takes to willfully choose to not make amends with Zangetsu--to not be anywhere near our best--when we have to fight Zaraki Fucking Kenpachi, and instead go visit Kukaku "because Yoruichi, tho" (and that's assuming it's not just Ganju she's talking about right now and people aren't jumping the gun).

Sending a message back to Ichigo's family is all well and good, but being able to survive long enough to go see them in person sounds a hell of a lot better.

All three of the options sound great, and I'd love to get to each of them eventually, but two of them will keep for four weeks, while one of them will help us get back in top form for a dangerous fight we know is coming but not when. When a life-and-death battle is on the horizon, but you don't know exactly when it will happen, treating it like it's right around the corner--even if it's not--and being prepared for it is a much better choice than the reverse.

On our current list of priorities, social calls (especially when they have such generous time limits) should rank below survival.

Now, some people may be saying "but Zangetsu would never pull that shit in a real fight", and they might be right. But they might also be wrong. I, for one, would like to never learn the answer to that particular question.
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I don't really see the short term crisis here.
Will Zaraki come looking for Ichigo before the 4 weeks are up?
If Zaraki wants a fight before Ichigo graduates, it'll likely be at the very end of his first year, or until Ichigo does something suitably impressive. This tournament was not it. At this point Zaraki can kill Ichigo by just using spiritual pressure.

If it puts you to ease, I bet the voters will change to appease Zangetsu if the preview show that Zaraki is out for blood.
 
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Edkose said:
I don't really see the short term crisis here.
Will Zaraki come looking for Ichigo before the 4 weeks are up?
If Zaraki wants a fight before Ichigo graduates, it'll likely be at the very end of his first year, or until Ichigo does something suitably impressive. This tournament was not it. At this point Zaraki can kill Ichigo by just using spiritual pressure.

If it puts you to ease, I bet the voters will change to appease Zangetsu if the preview show that Zaraki is out for blood.
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Again, the point is: we don't know when he'll show up, we only know he will. I would much rather take the time to get better prepared now, rather than put it off on the assumption that we've still got plenty of time right up until we don't have time anymore.

Am I coming down a little forcefully on this possibility right now? Perhaps. Can we take our time? Again, perhaps. The fact still remains that we don't know when our time is up, so I'd rather be safe (or at least as safe as anything involving Kenpachi can be, anyway) than sorry.

We have four weeks for the other two options. That's plenty of time to get around to seeing Komamura and Kukaku. Taking a little time now to smooth things over with Zangetsu isn't going to change that.
 
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[X] See what's up with Kukaku

I actually don't like the appease option. It was made very clear in canon that Ichigo had to rule, not be jerked around by Zangetsu.
 
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