DarkKing98
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...no? Last I checked, squad 13 has no Lieutenant.
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Wrong she was just a rank-and-file.
EDIT: She only becomes a Lieutenant after Aizen gets arrested.
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Vicjer
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Rukia only became a lieutenant after the timeskip.
DarkKing98
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You could say she was a mook for the mooks. Considering how I'm pretty sure start of series Rukia was not even a seated officer.
Skywalker_T-65
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What amuses me about this vote, is that challenging Rukia to a drinking contest is very much a Kaien thing to do.
Operation Traumatize the Kuchiki (when she realizes who we are) is a go, apparently
Operation Traumatize the Kuchiki (when she realizes who we are) is a go, apparently
DarkKing98
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I prefer knocking that self absorbed ego into the ground instead.What amuses me about this vote, is that challenging Rukia to a drinking contest is very much a Kaien thing to do.
Operation Traumatize the Kuchiki (when she realizes who we are) is a go, apparently
Or if we get lucky, the moment we release Zangetsu she realizes she bit off far more than she could chew.
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Wasn't that because Byakuya made sure she wouldn't become one?
DarkKing98
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That is true. Doesn't mean that she wasn't there on that level of chain of command for awhile.
The point was that: not Lieutenent = not one fifth power
DarkKing98
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Now, I'd like to say something to expand upon my point here.
Some of you may be thinking that I am being way to overconfident in our strength or am vastly underestimating Rukia. But I'd like to point out two things.
One, she is not expecting us to have Shikai. Using it will force her to realize that hey, maybe we aren't just trying to over compensate. And even if she does have Shikai, a Shikai vs Shikai fight would cause lots of damage.
Two, she obviously cannot sense Spiritual Power. If she could, she'd be able to tell that we are around the power of a seated officer. Remember, we were mistaken as a higher year Academy student by someone in the Fourth division when we were drained of a fair amount of our strength when we went to get healed. We should be at full strength currently. So I think we'd be around a seated officer's strength at least.
Yup. So if she has the strength of a Lieutenent at the very beginning of the series, which I extremely doubt, then she really should have been able to take out that hollow in a second. Even then, she should have been able to do it far quicker than Ichigo managing to break out of the Bakudo and get himself in harms way. Which gives me many doubts.
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Well for me it's just the "OMG RUKIA, WE MUST MEET HER AND BEFRIEND HER AND MAKE HER A MAIN CHARACTER/WAIFU/DAUGHTERU!" thing that infects lots of quests not just Bleach especially when it means passing up on interactions with other interesting or rarely used characters
You're right so wasting time in a drunken spar when we could be dragging Takako the depressed drunk back and then training harder is silly
Skywalker_T-65
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At the start of the series, Rukia was still...how to put this...
Still torn up over Kaien's death to some extent. Obviously, before Kubo thought that bit up it was just 'she's weak, yo'. After Kaien became a thing, we see at several points how torn up she is inside. She's not operating at full and hasn't been for years.
Unless I'm seriously misremembering my Bleach trivia.
Still torn up over Kaien's death to some extent. Obviously, before Kubo thought that bit up it was just 'she's weak, yo'. After Kaien became a thing, we see at several points how torn up she is inside. She's not operating at full and hasn't been for years.
Unless I'm seriously misremembering my Bleach trivia.
DarkKing98
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It's not wasting time on a drunken spar.
It's wasting time on a drunken massacre. One is much faster than the other.
I've been noticing a few things, so I'd like to point out that Rukia apparently had been powerful enough to be qualified for a Seated Position, but Byakuya pulled strings to keep her unseated to protect her. To be a Seated Officer, you must have achieved a shikai, certain exceptions not withstanding.
The night that Rukia passed her powers on to Ichigo had several factors all at play:
1) Ichigo's own reiatsu blunted Rukia's senses, therefore the Hollow's arrival was undetected until it was almost too late.
2) Ichigo, again, had been distracting Rukia while she was hunting said Hollow.
3) Ichigo, once again, served to almost fatally distract Rukia by running into a battle he had absolutely no chance of winning at the time, forcing her to take damage she shouldn't have.
4) The scene of the skirmish happened within a family home, Sode no Shirayuki's dances do not do its surroundings any favours, unless one is advocating for a family of mortals (as far as Rukia knew at the time) to be killed by a missed attack, which runs counter to Rukia's MO.
5) When Ichigo was made into a shinigami, instead of being given a small percentage of Rukia's own Reiatsu, he ripped all of her power out of her, necessitating the Gigai she wore for the rest of the Karakura Arc, which was actively syphoning her power and turning her into a mortal being.
So, yeah, Rukia's pretty strong and skilled enough with kido to get away with cutting the incantation, and do not forget her shikai reveal during the Arrancar Arc which had her experience with Sode no Shirayuki easily trump a low level Arrancar, a feat that the other Shinigami (all at least VC level) present copied soon after. That kind of experience and skill with a shikai is one that is forged over some time, much much more than the month that followed the end of the Soul Society Arc.
Rukia's a lot stronger than people are giving her credit for.
The night that Rukia passed her powers on to Ichigo had several factors all at play:
1) Ichigo's own reiatsu blunted Rukia's senses, therefore the Hollow's arrival was undetected until it was almost too late.
2) Ichigo, again, had been distracting Rukia while she was hunting said Hollow.
3) Ichigo, once again, served to almost fatally distract Rukia by running into a battle he had absolutely no chance of winning at the time, forcing her to take damage she shouldn't have.
4) The scene of the skirmish happened within a family home, Sode no Shirayuki's dances do not do its surroundings any favours, unless one is advocating for a family of mortals (as far as Rukia knew at the time) to be killed by a missed attack, which runs counter to Rukia's MO.
5) When Ichigo was made into a shinigami, instead of being given a small percentage of Rukia's own Reiatsu, he ripped all of her power out of her, necessitating the Gigai she wore for the rest of the Karakura Arc, which was actively syphoning her power and turning her into a mortal being.
So, yeah, Rukia's pretty strong and skilled enough with kido to get away with cutting the incantation, and do not forget her shikai reveal during the Arrancar Arc which had her experience with Sode no Shirayuki easily trump a low level Arrancar, a feat that the other Shinigami (all at least VC level) present copied soon after. That kind of experience and skill with a shikai is one that is forged over some time, much much more than the month that followed the end of the Soul Society Arc.
Rukia's a lot stronger than people are giving her credit for.
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DarkKing98
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If all that so called impressive strength is from solely her Shikai, than yeah, Byakuya was right in keeping her from that position. Because she needs to be strong without Shikai if hers is so destructive. That first Hollow was pathetically weak. The fact she didn't finish it off in seconds proves that Rukia is not that strong without her Shikai.
Either that, or she was willingly risking peoples lives just to show off.
deadcrystal
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Rukia is easily strong enough to be a high ranking seated officer, possessing both shikai and being an expert kido user, but never really got over the PTSD of the whole Kaien situation. (Because Soul Society doesn't have any psychologists I guess)
That's not why Byakuya blocked her promotion though. Seated officers get sent on more dangerous missions and he wanted her safe. (Because Hisana trauma)
She could have very easily killed it. But she got distracted and careless and took a bad hit. Even if you're strong you can die as easily as anyone if you get sloppy and don't take something as seriously as you should.
Omegahugger
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Isn't there a very real chance Aizen was the closest thing Soul Society had to a psycologist?
DarkKing98
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Weak Hollow is still weak. Hell, couldn't she just use Shikai and then used flash step and swing to kill the thing in one hit before Ichigo even had the chance to reach the damn thing?
Not to mention that the mask isn't exactly the smallest weak point in the world.
Someone with enough strength to defeat a low level arranacar but not enough to defeat a weak hollow? It's pathetic.
Not to mention that the mask isn't exactly the smallest weak point in the world.
Someone with enough strength to defeat a low level arranacar but not enough to defeat a weak hollow? It's pathetic.
And that makes it even worse! She should have taken care of the thing as soon as possible the moment it became clear that lives were in danger!
It's all well and good to say that, but one problem, she had no idea it was there until it literally attacked the Kurosaki Household, because guess why?
Then when she did go to sort it out, guess what happened next?
So yeah.
Even Old Man Genocide isn't immune to being distracted and surprise ganked.
I'llNameThisL8r
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She really only lost that fight due to the sudden cosmic weight of Main Character Origen Story, and not really any lack of skill. We don't have Plot on our side this time, and that makes her stronger than us.
DarkKing98
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"Everything is Ichigo's fault" is your argument.
And this is a better explaination of why that happened. Because plot demanded it to do so.
Because guess what. If she's so incompetent that she can't tell the difference between a strong human's Spiritual Power from that of a Hollow's I extremely doubt she deserved to get a Hollow hunting mission. Also, if Ichigo can dull her senses, that means they weren't any good in the first place.
To put it simply, Rukia was over her head as the plot screwed her over in favor of giving Ichigo powers.