Bleach: Derailed

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Adhoc vote count started by MoonlightSpark on Aug 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, finished with 240 posts and 116 votes.
 
[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Stay with her until it works.
 
...............because what matters is "cleansing Hollows and not breaking the law". Why is attaining Shikai in under 2 months (which normally takes something like 5 years and Bankai 10 iirc?) going to be a black mark? Kenpachi got made a Captain after slaughtering his predecessor in front of the whole squad after all. They care about power and ability instead of "is a good student who always follows the rules" that's even leaving aside we are allowed to skip as long as it doesn't impact our studies.
No it's a "tradition" (IE a law) for every squad. The 11th just makes the most use of it.

There's a difference between moving up in the ranks and getting the job you want. While Ichigo does have absurd growth potential, as far as I can tell, beating people up to get a spot is something that really only applies to the Captain position. As good as Ichigo is, I don't think even with Shikai that he's going to seriously contest any of the captains out of the gate. Thus the question becomes who would want Ichigo most if he showed that ability? I don't think Ukitake is in the list of people who would hire Ichigo on the strength of his shikai alone. Dude's been around a while.

In turn this means that Ichigo doesn't automatically get an assignment to the human world. Would you really assign the Shikai wielder to the human world alone just because of his power? Probably not if he's shown in the past that he doesn't really follow guidelines if they're inconvenient.

Chapter 146 pg 1.
Although again that's only for captains and has a 200 division member witness requirement.
 
The challenge also doesn't have to be accepted. If it is accepted, and if you win, then you get to go directly to Captaincy.
 
Hrm.

I wonder how things will change.

Canon's second Shikai is two Zankpatou to signify his Quincy and Shinigami/Hollow powers.

He now no longer has Quincy powers.

Which also makes Ichigo much less tanky
 
I am somewhat tempted to switch to meditation, since it's guaranteed way to get to contact our sword - and probably get in danger of being killed by our own sword, but whatcanyoudo - but the option I voted for still feels rather in-character, so.
 
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Hrm.

I wonder how things will change.

Canon's second Shikai is two Zankpatou to signify his Quincy and Shinigami/Hollow powers.

He now no longer has Quincy powers.

Which also makes Ichigo much less tanky
Yeah, we're probably stuck with the bog standard butcher-knife shikai we've got.
 
want to go mediation for guaranteed meet zangetsu, because with Ichigo as he is now, he WILL fight Zangetsu to get him under control so he can get the hell out of the academy faster if Zangetsu does not cooperate
 
After one of your classes you ask Takako if she'd mind a word. Strangely enough, actually getting over yourself an asking for help is the hardest part of the whole process. Once you actually explain, in careful words, that you'd like to know who you can talk to about the Shiba clan, it only takes her a few seconds to come up with the best person.

You ignore that she spent several seconds scrutinizing you with a disgruntled expression on her face before answering. You wear one similar to it most of the time. Complaining would be kind of stupid.

Things Takako definitively knows:

1. Gin made a comment about Ichigo looking a bit like a Shiba
2. Pretty well right after she gave Ichigo a Who's Who of Soul Society he came asking for help getting info on the Shiba clan.

It turns out that academy students are permitted to return to the outer districts as long as it doesn't interfere with their studies,

Think a few people missed this line, it is expected for you to be in the academy and people will notice if you go AWOL

There are only four noble clans because I told central forty-six where they could shove everything they preached about honor, after soul reaper loyalty got Kaien killed fighting a hollow he had no business trying to cleanse alone.

There were never any details on the whole Shiba noble clan thing in Canon, so it's interesting to see what you've done here.

I will note, going by Byakuya's behaviour despite the Shibas not technically being a noble clan anymore, he still had a lot of respect for them. I'd attribute that to Old Money sticking together personally.

She pours another cup of wine, but then thinks better of it and drinks what was left in the bottle instead.

If you see someone do this?

You do not mess with that person.

It's a great offer, but I'd rather Ichigo not vanish off into the wilderness for a week or more and come back with a shikai resembling that of a disgraced noble clan. Subtle, that is not. And people would recognise something similar to the shikai of a former captain.

The point was that either way, Ichigo's on track to develop a disgraced noble clan-style Shikai regardless, for obvious reasons. And further, even if he doesn't develop it out-of-house in a big notable breach of expectations/rules like staying away for weeks, he'd still be expected to show his Shikai, whenever he develops it.

I wouldn't worry that much about it. People don't go running around showing Shikai or Bankai off as a matter of course. (There are tons of times in the series people haven't every seen each others release) That and the family line thing is likely to be a little known fact, what with how infrequently it happens, and only someone who has seen Isshin's shikai would be able to make the connection, which is an even smaller pool of people. (She said direct descent only, so it won't be similar to Kaien's zanpaktou, so no worries there)

-[] Train with her once a week.
-Takako eyes you up and down. "...Were you mugged, or attacked by a hollow?" "Shiba." You groan from your spot on the nice, cool floor.

SNRK

It makes a lot of sense that Kukaku has no idea how Shikai actually works. We never see her or Ganju use it, that I recall.

Well, they don't have zanpaktou, so that makes sense, since neither of them are shinigami. I imagine, even with the allowances Noble clans get that Soul Society does its best to make sure that no Asauchi end up outside the academy.

"Why do you have a similar Shikai to the Shiba clan?"
"Apparently I'm the reincarnation of Kaien Shiba"
*squinted examination*
".......Huh, yeah I can see it"

I'm...not sure the timeline works on that one?

Fuck knows, canon never made it clear.

If it was long enough ago for that to work you'd think Rukia would be over her PTSD a bit better, but otoh it's not like Soul Society has any freaking therapists.

Because to me, this reads like something said after we succeed. All the rest show us in the process of going for Shikai, this one makes the most sense after we've already gotten it.
(although I will admit that once a week sounds quite amusing.)

Reads the opposite to me. Weekend spent trying without success, Ichigo getting stubborn whilst Kukaku tries to tell him to get some freaking rest and come back another time.

[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.

a/w, choosing this for multiple reasons

- Long term interaction with Kukaku and the Shiba Clan
- Takako getting to laugh at him getting the shit kicked out of him
- The exams aren't until the end of the year. There's no practical difference for us between getting Shikai in two weeks or in two months. Most shinigami never achieve shikai, just having it before you're even placed in a squad is ridiculous.
 
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Think a few people missed this line, it is expected for you to be in the academy and people will notice if you go AWOL

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Reads the opposite to me. Weekend spent trying without success, Ichigo getting stubborn whilst Kukaku tries to tell him to get some freaking rest and come back another time.

[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.

a/w, choosing this for multiple reasons

- Long term interaction with Kukaku and the Shiba Clan
- Takako getting to laugh at him getting the shit kicked out of him
- The exams aren't until the end of the year. There's no practical difference for us between getting Shikai in two weeks or in two months. Most shinigami never achieve shikai, just having it before you're even placed in a squad is ridiculous.
You... make a good point.

[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.
 
It's many pages too late but I just found this quest a couple days ago and I just now thought of it.

I guess we could say that Ichigo dying turned everyone's plans into a clustertruck.
 
[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.

I gotta ask what is it that people have against Gin?
 
[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.
 
Reads the opposite to me. Weekend spent trying without success, Ichigo getting stubborn whilst Kukaku tries to tell him to get some freaking rest and come back another time.

Then Ichigo acts like his canon self, says he can do this, he has to do this, wows Kukaku with his determination, and then knuckles down to get his training done.

Be real, we all know that's how he works.

Don't half ass it, train until he achieves Shikai.
 
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