Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest

Ehh, legitimizing for the Throne at Dorne wouldn't be 'seniormost son of Robb' as it is 'Seniormost inheritable child of the Martells' as we would be legitimizing them for that family, not ours. Thus, the claim to the throne would be nonexistent politically.

Still it's a very iffy situation. If the Martells push for his claim on the throne a lot of our opponents would back him. Plus the Faith would probably hate that a Stark is king. So I wouldn't be surprised if they work to remove us.

We might have to topple a few septs to make our point, in case the Faith revolt.
 
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If the Martells push for his claim on the throne a lot of our opponents would back him.

Who?

The Westerlands? They have no reason to do so unless they just want to destabilize the realm. Tyrion doesn't seem like the type to do that, especially since it'd mean his family would die.
The Reach? All resistance from Renly's groups have been shattered, and Tarly will keep them in line.
The Targs? Sorry, but if they're not dead by the time this kid is born then even at that point they'd be in no position to resist us.

The only people who would rally behind the bid would be the dornish, and even then most houses would think twice after we stomped them so hard that we could openly place out bastard on their throne.
 
18. Something Familiar
There was a thick tension in the air as the Lords of the North, Riverlands, Vale, and Narrow Sea met within your tent to discuss the future. There had been great victories, but the shadow of tragedy and fear hung over you all like the Stranger's cloak. King's Landing a heap of ashes and now the King of Westeros a rotting corpse.

"The Targaryens," supplied the Lord of Dunstonbury without much hesitation. "We know that the Mad King's daughter spent much of her childhood in Braavos. And they are the last enemy that remains to us. A horde of exiles and foreigners turning to treachery when skill at arms failed them." He spat, and shifted uncomfortably. His outfit was very new, the sigil altered to depict a golden seven-pointed star over a raised green hand all on a field of blue and grey waves. It was not an outright challenge to Lord Randyll - not with the Gardeners three hundred years gone - but it was a reminder that after Ser Dickon he was heir to Highgarden and the Reach by right of his wife.

Lord Velaryon nodded, hand tangled in his silver-blond beard. "I cannot disagree. We have doubled our patrols by Dragonstone. And of course the queen - pardon, the queen dowager, and Princess Shireen are now at Storm's End. King Robert, of course, unmade the succession laws of the Dance at the birth of the girl Myrcella."

At that there was only silence. Shireen Baratheon was a girl of ten years. Perhaps with time she would grow into an exceptional woman, but a realm at war was less than thrilled to have lost their admiral king in favor of his greyscale-scarred daughter. And yet- "Who else is there," barked old Lord Royce. "There are no other Baratheons."

"King Robert left half a score of baseborn children," someone said, only to be shouted down. A bastard on the Iron Throne? Even Edric Storm with his highborn mother was an unattractive option. The Florents had failed to impress in the battle against Lord Renly, despite their blood ties to the throne.

You were silent, still thinking, when the Greatjon lurched to his feet.

"MY LORDS!" he shouted, his voice booming off the rafters. "Here is what I say to the dragons!" He spat. "The Targaryens ruled these kingdoms for three hundred years and they held them with the blood of our countrymen. As to these bastards of King Robert, why should they rule over me and mine? What do they know of the Wall or the wolfswood or the barrows of the First Men?"

The Northerners stirred at that. Lord Umber turned. "What does a bastard boy know of the Trident? Of the Mountains of the Moon? Of putting wildlings, pirates, and Lannisters to the sword." He reached back over his shoulder and drew his immense two-handed greatsword. "Why shouldn't we have a king who knows us? A king who has led us to victory after victory! He'll wed Stannis' girl in time, but first let's put Rhaegar the Raper's boy back in the grave." He pointed at you with the blade. "There sits the only king I mean to bow me knee to, m'lords," he thundered. "The Young Wolf!"

And he knelt, and laid his sword at your feet.

"I'll have peace on those terms," Lord Manderly said. "Let the dragons learn the lessons we taught to Tywin and Renly, that we taught them when Ned Stark led us into battle. He eased his longsword from its scabbard. "The Young Wolf!" he said, kneeling beside the Greatjon.

Other voices joined them, some shouting one epithet or the other. "Robb, King! Robb, King! ROBB, KING!"

[] King Robb I
[] King Robert II
 
[X] King Robb I

To paraphrase Pope Leo X, "Since the Gods have given us the Throne, let us enjoy it". Fuck it all. We're our own man, not Robert come again.
 
[X] King Robert II

Best to attach ourselves to the Baratheon dynasty as much as possible, not only does it make the Targs more nervous but it makes it harder for people to call us a usurper
 
[X] King Robb I

[X] King Robert II

Best to attach ourselves to the Baratheon dynasty as much as possible, not only does it make the Targs more nervous but it makes it harder for people to call us a usurper

Robbert's rule might have been peaceful.. it wasn't good. Connecting us to that is not a stellar idea. Next to that, of course, is that he took the throne by conquest which isn't much of a right anyway.

The way this is written is, contrary to the phrasing of the vote, us effectively being voted in. It might not have been a great council, but it's near as good.
 
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[X] King Robert II
We're attaching ourselves to the Baratheon dynasty. We're appeasing the stormlands as well as Roberts old allies
 
[X] King Robb I

Fuck the Baratheons.

We are making a claim more by virtue of capability and a line of the Kings of the North than anything else and with luck, we might even not have to deal with shireen.
 
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[X] King Robert II

Robb sounds a bit tacky. We need to show or at least pretend that there is a continuous line of succession between Robert and Robb. Plus we need to connect ourselves to the Baratheons strongly if we are rule them directly. Don't forget that we merged Stormlands with Crownlands.
 
Our name is not Robert, it's Robb. We are not a Baratheon, we're a Stark. Robert II implies the continuation of the Baratheon dynasty in name. If there's a Robert Stark II, people will expect there to have been a Robert Stark I. The basic rules of noble naming conventions would implore us to take the name Robert, Second of his name of House Baratheon when we marry Shireen, which is something I'm not and never will be in favor of. Our name is Robb and House Stark shall have domain from now on. It's best that everyone gets that into their heads as soon as possible.
 
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