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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest
- Thread starter Charcolt
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I think the wise thing to do might be to give Stannis his options and the overall tactical situation, and discuss them.
1. Bend the knee to the Targs in exchange for recognizing his claim on Storm's End. Does Stannis even want to be king? And if he's got a problem with usurpers, well, his brother was one whether he likes it or not - he could turn the throne over to the 'rightful' rulers of Westeros, and benefit. Aegon's legitimacy is questionable at best, but Daenerys Targaryen is legit Targ and their kids would be legit either way. Dorne will support the Targs, several Crownlander lords will support the Targs, and probably a few Reach houses will turn on Renly and support the Targs. However, many of the houses supporting us won't want a return to Targaryen rule either, so we could have uprisings in our ranks.
2. Truce with Renly, take King's Landing to decisively end the Lannister rebellion together, and then deal with Aegon. Maybe get Tyrion in on it.
3. Truce with Renly, immediately go for Aegon, leaving the Lannisters in control of King's Landing temporarily. Dornish may march to finish them anyways.
4. Try to kill Renly and the Lannister bastards ASAP. Very risky, as the Reach may declare for Aegon, and our forces would be depleted from the battles for King's Landing.
Could be dragon eggs, too.
1. Bend the knee to the Targs in exchange for recognizing his claim on Storm's End. Does Stannis even want to be king? And if he's got a problem with usurpers, well, his brother was one whether he likes it or not - he could turn the throne over to the 'rightful' rulers of Westeros, and benefit. Aegon's legitimacy is questionable at best, but Daenerys Targaryen is legit Targ and their kids would be legit either way. Dorne will support the Targs, several Crownlander lords will support the Targs, and probably a few Reach houses will turn on Renly and support the Targs. However, many of the houses supporting us won't want a return to Targaryen rule either, so we could have uprisings in our ranks.
2. Truce with Renly, take King's Landing to decisively end the Lannister rebellion together, and then deal with Aegon. Maybe get Tyrion in on it.
3. Truce with Renly, immediately go for Aegon, leaving the Lannisters in control of King's Landing temporarily. Dornish may march to finish them anyways.
4. Try to kill Renly and the Lannister bastards ASAP. Very risky, as the Reach may declare for Aegon, and our forces would be depleted from the battles for King's Landing.
Could be dragon eggs, too.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
I just don't see Stannis agreeing to a truce with Renly. As in, not even if the dice roll a crit-success.
For that matter, why would Renly agree? Aegon is in the Riverlands, he's our problem first, Renly's second.
I believe we also need to consider the possibility that the Iron Fleet may be on Aegon's side due to Varys shenanigans, though I wouldn't call it probable, merely possible.
@Charcolt
Since you seem to have missed my earlier query, let me repeat it: Can our army make it to the Ruby Ford before Aegon?
For that matter, why would Renly agree? Aegon is in the Riverlands, he's our problem first, Renly's second.
I believe we also need to consider the possibility that the Iron Fleet may be on Aegon's side due to Varys shenanigans, though I wouldn't call it probable, merely possible.
@Charcolt
Since you seem to have missed my earlier query, let me repeat it: Can our army make it to the Ruby Ford before Aegon?
Charcolt
Comic Fan
You could certainly try (and perhaps succeed, if risking some sleepiness)! But then, you don't know where he's going or why!
Black Dog
Kill them all
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Well, damn, I missed the previous vote and now you've sworn Robb to defend some incest-spawn. I honestly have no idea why. Why would you risk our position with Stannis by going behind his back, about Cersei's children of all things?
Stannis has only his lawful justice/doing what is right boner. Yes, he can feel resentment, bitterness and other such things, but he is not guided by revenge, only doing what is right.
Your sentimentality =/= right.
I'm fairly certain that they do, or do you think when they killed off the Greystarks there was not a single child in the family at the time?
What you meant to say was "Ned Stark doesn't slaughter children", but honestly, who gives a shit?
@Charcolt: Will we be playing solely as Robb and Ned or will others be included as well, i.e. Jon? And speaking of him, is he a sworn brother of the Night's Watch by now?
Stannis has only his lawful justice/doing what is right boner. Yes, he can feel resentment, bitterness and other such things, but he is not guided by revenge, only doing what is right.
Your sentimentality =/= right.
I'm fairly certain that they do, or do you think when they killed off the Greystarks there was not a single child in the family at the time?
What you meant to say was "Ned Stark doesn't slaughter children", but honestly, who gives a shit?
@Charcolt: Will we be playing solely as Robb and Ned or will others be included as well, i.e. Jon? And speaking of him, is he a sworn brother of the Night's Watch by now?
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Because we wanted to?
Charcolt
Comic Fan
Oh my god hi Odran! There were sections playing as Sansa and Arya planned which didn't make sense after Robb and Ned's rolls, but there will be a Black Brother Jon section following Robb's campaign here.
Black Dog
Kill them all
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Would make for a nice epitaph once Stannis finds out about it. Hope it was worth it, because at the very least there'll be censure from Stannis for this.
Seriously, I get that there's some people in the lot participating in the quest that often put emotions before reason, but hasn't anything about ASOIAF taught you about the dangers of doing so? This is Stannis we're dealing here, he's not going to suffer usurpers to the throne hidden/secured away by one of his lords. Do you really think he's going to have them killed? It's Stannis we're talking about, the only one in fear of getting killed is Joffrey and why would anyone give a shit about him is beyond me. Myrcella and Tommen are most likely going to be shipped off to the Silent Sisters and Wall respectively. Jaime and Cersei are getting executed because they did commit treason knowingly and willingly.
Neat. I wonder how different his experience will be, seeing as that the Others are removed from the playing board.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Some days I just don't feel like being a hard man making hard decisions.
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Assuming Aegon and/or Daenarys would let a Baratheon or Stark bend the knee...they're probably still under delusions about Robert's Rebellion and want vengeance against the Usurper's family and his supporters.
Truce with Renly is the best bet. Aegon is the greater threat and should be dealt with first, hopefully before Dorne can muster their support to him. Though they might just wait things out. Actually, since Doran's plan for Arianne to Viserys or F!Aegon apparently fell through, does he even have much reason to back the Targs other than 'fuck the Lannisters'?
Is Dorne even in a position to get their forces to King's Landing?
We only promised Tyrion we'd keep Myrcella and Tommen from the axe. I'm not counting Joffrey as 'innocent' for our promise.
If Tommen is shipped off to the Wall (as you say Stannis would likely do) or given to the Maesters then that's our promise fulfilled.
Myrcella not being found in King's Landing when it's taken could lead to an awkward conversation, but that's explained easily since she is serving as a hostage.
If Stannis does intend to kill all the Lannister children? We'll cross that bridge if we get there. If King's Landing is sacked then Joffrey and Tommen might be killed before we can even get to them. Or if they're taken alive and Stannis wants to kill them we can still try to talk some sense into him (Wall, Maesters, etc.).
This right here makes it abundantly clear that we have a critical lack of intelligence.
We don't know what Aegon's doing or where he's going other than the fact that he burned Saltpans. We don't know what the Iron Fleet is up to or exactly where they are. And who knows how Renly, Joffrey, and Dorne will respond to these developments.
We need more information. If Doran's plans with the Targs fell through, maybe we can get some information from them? Giving them Gregor's skull may have bought Robb at least a bit of good will with them. Though even if they're willing to talk to us, the information can't be entirely trusted.
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...I knew this Calvary rolls would bite us in the ass someday.
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- Pacific NW
Time to get wily. We need to consult with Ser Davos and Stannis together and see if we can get some offer of brotherly reconciliation to Renly. Stating that the Targ threat requires the two brothers to unite to quell. And that afterwards the matter of the crown can then be decided, leaving the manner in which it is done vague. Once we get the armies to engage the Golden Company, make sure that Renly's forces are taking the brunt of the combat. Then turn on him once victory is in hand and the Targs are dead (if Renly's not ganked already thanks to combat). As long as our forces are fresh and coherent it will work.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Wut?
No Aegon does not have a better claim then Stannis. Legally the Targaryen claim is dead since they were successfully overthrown.
The Baratheon claim to the throne is technically the only extant claim left.
That being said there are still a few Targaryen loyalist houses, not to mention Aegon has the loyalty of probably the best professional army in the world, which is why he even has a shot at the throne.
But no. Stannis will never acknowledge that claim, because he fought a war and survived a stupid long siege for the purpose of overthrowing that claim.
But really claims are a legal fiction anyway, and whoever is alive at the end of this really has the best claim to the throne.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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Well, let's hope the Ironscum are on their way to raid the Reach. It would keep Renly busy.
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Not unless they also stole Littlefinger's teleportation device, or have somehow managed to sneak an army through the Reach/Stormlands with no one noticing
Canonically, House Darry was destroyed by Gregor even before Tywin fought Roose at the Ruby Ford... so it's very possible that's true here as well.
Absolutely. Therefore:
[X] Plan Intelligence:
-[X] Send ravens to Father and the North, informing them of what we know. Ask him to keep a watch on both coasts, and mobilize all he can of the Manderly Fleet (in case the Golden Company decides to land in the North).
-[X] Send ravens to Seagard and any other coastal holding we have, asking them to scout the seas as well as they can, and immediately inform us of what they find.
-[X] Send ravens to Casterly Rock. Inform them of what we know of the Iron Fleet sailing past Seagard south, and advise Tyrion to take Stafford's host and see to his coasts. Also inform him of a possible Targaryen invasion (the Lannisters are their natural enemies, after Tywin's Sack of King's Landing), and tell him we may need his men once the coastal situation is resolved.
-[X] Send ravens to Renly and the Lord of the Reach. Inform them of what we know of the Iron Fleet sailing past Seagard south, and advise them to see to their coasts. Remind them that the Iron Fleet has a shallow draught - if they break through at the Shield Islands, they could sail up the Mander until Bitterbridge. Similarly, they could break through at Oldtown and raid up the Honeywine.
-[X] Send another raven only to Renly, informing him of an invasion by The Golden Company, carrying Targaryen banners, and supposedly led by Aegon and Daenerys. Remind him of the Siege of Storm's End, where Stannis protected him and gave him his rations, when they were besieged by Mace Tyrell - on the Targaryen side. Remind him the Targaryen's will have no mercy for the usurping Baratheons, and advise him to be wary of Tyrell and the rest of the Reach Lords, who might still be loyal to the Targaryens.
-[X] Send ravens to the Vale Lords, informing them of what we know about Saltpans, and advise them to fortify the Bloody Gate and prepare themselves for the option that the invaders may try to go through the High Road into the Vale (unlikely, but still our duty)
-[X] Send a raven towards Saltpans - maybe the castle of Ser Cox held out? In any case, send a wide but closely connected net of outriders and scouts, aiming to discover what happened at Saltpans, where the Golden Company is now, where is it heading, and what are the forces at its disposal.
-[X] Send Stannis' fleet north, towards Saltpans - if the Golden Company did land there, the fleet could blockade the Bay of Crabs, or even attack it and destroy it, stranding it. So much the better if the ships are heavily loaded with provisions/men/horses/elephants. At the same time, advise them to be vigilant - the Iron Fleet might show up unexpectedly at their rear (who knows how many people stole Littlefinger's teleport machine?).
-[X] March north with our army towards Saltpans, aiming to rest the night at Harrenhall (I assume we can reach it without exhaustion, if we can reach the Ruby Ford with exhaustion). When we get there, set up a strong camp and vigilant perimeter.
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Has word already been spread by raven at this point?
I get the feeling we need more of a strategy for an actual campaign, including who we intend to target first/where.
With so much of this happening further South, I'm not sure we should be hunkering down in Harrenhal and just waiting for whoever decides to come.
I get the feeling we need more of a strategy for an actual campaign, including who we intend to target first/where.
With so much of this happening further South, I'm not sure we should be hunkering down in Harrenhal and just waiting for whoever decides to come.
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Well, originally Plan Intelligence was plan Footsteps of the Father, which was basically the same gist, only we would force march the infantry to the Ruby Ford, draw Aegon there to try and succeed where his father failed, send the cavalry around like we did with the Lannisters, and crush them between us. Then, we'd ride hard with the cavalry and take King's Landing, essentially retracing Ned's actions in the rebellion.
But your words resonated with me, and the lack of actionable intelligence greatly bothers me. Currently, we don't know shit, only that there threats all around - Wildlings to the North, Ironborn to the West, Tyrells and Lannisters to the South and Targaryens to the East. All we know is that the closest and most immediate threat is the Targaryens, so I suggest we first concentrate on them.
But your words resonated with me, and the lack of actionable intelligence greatly bothers me. Currently, we don't know shit, only that there threats all around - Wildlings to the North, Ironborn to the West, Tyrells and Lannisters to the South and Targaryens to the East. All we know is that the closest and most immediate threat is the Targaryens, so I suggest we first concentrate on them.
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I would vote for that plan
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[X] "I will protect the innocents of your family."
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[X] Plan Intelligence:
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[x] Plan: Finish it Quickly
-[x] Robb will lead a contingent of Cavalry up northwards, being sure to take a crossing that puts him north of the Trident, he will try to be subtle enough that Aegon won't know they are there and use our scouts to cover them under the command of the Blackfish
-[x] Stannis will lead the foot on a march to cross the river at the Trident, send ravens to the houses around the Saltpans, telling them that he is coming across the Trident and to resist the foreign Blackfire invaders. Be obvious in your movements and leave behind a strong garrison in Harrenhall, try to lure Aegon to attack you there, perhaps let some of your scouts be 'captured' to make sure he knows.
-[x] If Aegon contests you there have Robb smash him with the Cavalry when he begins to engage. Make sure to try and create stake pits ready for the elephants when you get there.
-[x] If Aegon doesn't meet you at the Trident try and harass him with your cavalry advantage and tear apart any forces that try to meet up with him, try to attack him in a weak position or trap him to make him fight you.
-[x] Robb will lead a contingent of Cavalry up northwards, being sure to take a crossing that puts him north of the Trident, he will try to be subtle enough that Aegon won't know they are there and use our scouts to cover them under the command of the Blackfish
-[x] Stannis will lead the foot on a march to cross the river at the Trident, send ravens to the houses around the Saltpans, telling them that he is coming across the Trident and to resist the foreign Blackfire invaders. Be obvious in your movements and leave behind a strong garrison in Harrenhall, try to lure Aegon to attack you there, perhaps let some of your scouts be 'captured' to make sure he knows.
-[x] If Aegon contests you there have Robb smash him with the Cavalry when he begins to engage. Make sure to try and create stake pits ready for the elephants when you get there.
-[x] If Aegon doesn't meet you at the Trident try and harass him with your cavalry advantage and tear apart any forces that try to meet up with him, try to attack him in a weak position or trap him to make him fight you.
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Do we know enough to actually have a battle plan?
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