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I dont really care about Sansa so I'll abstain from that but there is no way that I'll advocate being a consort.
[X] No.
[X] No.
Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest
- Thread starter Charcolt
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Rickon isn't in the Riverlands. Lady Whent rejected the offer of him as heir.
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- Asia
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes
The Valemen are gonna fuck off to fight Renly anyway and if we don't support Stannis, the Valemen breaking ranks with the Starks is gonna hurt our position. And Stannis is gonna hold a lifelong grudge against the Starks if we don't support him after Ned publicly backed him as the rightful king of Westeros.
Tyrrell's aren't in a strong position here. The Hand of the King just publicly threw his support for Stannis making Renly and his supporters look like oathbreaking cunts. The Stormlands lords won't just blindly support Renly when his position is so untenable. Plus this is Tyrell plot for the throne, the rest of the Reach gain nothing from it. They would break ranks with the Tyrells at the first sign of trouble.
Plus there is the fact that most Tyrell bannermen hate them and would like to see them brought down. Florents are already supporting Stannis, more would join them as Renly's position looks increasingly ridiculous.
We can win this easily, Stannis plus the North-Riverlands-Valemen alliance is enough to give everyone pause. And no one, not one lord will back Renly's outrageous grab for the throne unless they are hundred percent sure of his success.
[X] Yes
The Valemen are gonna fuck off to fight Renly anyway and if we don't support Stannis, the Valemen breaking ranks with the Starks is gonna hurt our position. And Stannis is gonna hold a lifelong grudge against the Starks if we don't support him after Ned publicly backed him as the rightful king of Westeros.
Tyrrell's aren't in a strong position here. The Hand of the King just publicly threw his support for Stannis making Renly and his supporters look like oathbreaking cunts. The Stormlands lords won't just blindly support Renly when his position is so untenable. Plus this is Tyrell plot for the throne, the rest of the Reach gain nothing from it. They would break ranks with the Tyrells at the first sign of trouble.
Plus there is the fact that most Tyrell bannermen hate them and would like to see them brought down. Florents are already supporting Stannis, more would join them as Renly's position looks increasingly ridiculous.
We can win this easily, Stannis plus the North-Riverlands-Valemen alliance is enough to give everyone pause. And no one, not one lord will back Renly's outrageous grab for the throne unless they are hundred percent sure of his success.
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- India
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
Aburg7
Just another Gundam(WIng) Pilot
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- A land called Honahlee
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
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I disagree with accusations of wishy washy ness. I just felt and feel like that it would be cruel to tell Sansa that she's already betrothed again and that Robb would want time to think.
...But I really want the political coup here.
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes
We can still delay Sansa's marriage a bit, give her time to adjust. It's a bethrothal.
Being the Queen's Consort would be GREAT for the North. We could affect policy and the future rulers would be decended from the Starks.
As for who will rule Winterfell? Bran or Rickton. Ned's not that old.
...But I really want the political coup here.
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] Yes
We can still delay Sansa's marriage a bit, give her time to adjust. It's a bethrothal.
Being the Queen's Consort would be GREAT for the North. We could affect policy and the future rulers would be decended from the Starks.
As for who will rule Winterfell? Bran or Rickton. Ned's not that old.
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- New Orleans
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe inWinterfell at any point.
I would be remiss if we don't have the chance to go all General Sherman on the Westerlands
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe inWinterfell at any point.
I would be remiss if we don't have the chance to go all General Sherman on the Westerlands
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- Asia
Yeah he will have his brothers to support him. I mean look at Doran; he has no problem running Dorne. Plus it sounds like Ned and Catelyn are having another child.
Well firstly, both of the votes I quoted were waffling votes that tried to reach a middle-ground. Secondly, in Westerosi politics, putting a ring on it is how you really secure an alliance, and we're putting off giving him a yes or no question.
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- Europe
Are you just going to pick the option with the most votes for the Shireen-marriage?
Walpurgis Knight
Guardian of Folkvang
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- Union of Cascadian Socialist Republics (UCSR)
Not really... On paper, this isn't an alliance of equals, this is a relationship between Lord (King in this case) and vassal. Stannis needs our men to win and he (or Davos) thinks that the best way to get them is to offer us Shireen. Robb fighting for Stannis without the betrothal is basically Walder Frey going 'Oh, no need for a toll, my Lord. Toll Shmoll. We need to get to Riverrun.' I think you'd like him a lot better if he did that, now wouldn't you?
Besides, the offer sounds a lot like he's trying to bribe the Starks to do their duty with a favorable marriage. That could offend their honorable sensibilities. Taking the deal outright implies that it's a transaction and seems a bit mercenary by Stark standards. If he wishes to honor us at a later date with the offer after we've shown our loyalty, fine.
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- Pacific NW
[X] Sansa will marry Lord Harrold Arryn and become Lady of the Vale, renewing ties to the North and Riverlands.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe inWinterfell at any point.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe inWinterfell at any point.
Charcolt
Comic Fan
Yes. Players can always change their vote to rally around a second preference.
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- Spain
I have to say that the Write in leave our options open, and seems to be more IC with the Stark Honor...
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...ok.
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
Ok. I'll switch back. Let's give everybody a chance to meet first I guess.
[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us, Princess Shireen will be welcome and safe in Winterfell at any point.
Ok. I'll switch back. Let's give everybody a chance to meet first I guess.
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[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us,Princess Shireen will be welcome andsafe in Winterfell at any point.
I like these two options. Also obligatory mention that ASOIAF is full of examples of marriage alliances falling apart when the people involved can't stand each other so whatever the Westerosi equivalent of an "omiai" would be basic due diligence. Aka don't want Lysa v2 a few years down the road
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us,Princess Shireen will be welcome andsafe in Winterfell at any point.
I like these two options. Also obligatory mention that ASOIAF is full of examples of marriage alliances falling apart when the people involved can't stand each other so whatever the Westerosi equivalent of an "omiai" would be basic due diligence. Aka don't want Lysa v2 a few years down the road
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[X] Not yes, but not no either. Our beloved sister has been through a lot of bullshit these past few months, and packing her off to the Vale straight away seems... unkind. If Lord Harry (and his puppeteers, but let's not say that in the reply letter) would but give her some time to adjust after leaving the Lannister/Waters court, perhaps a more formal introduction of the two...?
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us,Princess Shireen will be welcome andsafe in Winterfell at any point.
[X] We will support King Stannis. It is after all the right thing to do. We will defer the question of betrothal until after we've sorted out Renly. With the caveat that, should the war go against us,Princess Shireen will be welcome andsafe in Winterfell at any point.
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You expect his gratitude? You remember this is Stannis, right? This offer was probably thanks to Davos talking some common sense into him. He'll honor the agreements he makes, but don't expect gratitude.
So you want to back Stannis and fight the fight that it comes with, but quite possibly not get anything out of it even though Robb is currently being offered his heir's hand.
Why?
Take the deal. Stannis promised to back the North and the Watch when we need it. If Robb married Shireen that's two generations of someone supporting the North and its interests on the Throne at the very least rather than one. That secures the Seven Kingdoms support against the Wildlings for things in the near-ish future, but it's also plenty of time to improve things for the North in general.
Yeah, gotta agree with spudman. If we're going to give Stannis real support, then we should take the deal without any waffling.
EDIT - I'll also point out that if we win, then Robb and Shireen's second child will also be the heir to Storm's End and the Stormlands.
EDIT 2 - Actually, that could be another point in our favor. Even if Stannis loses and dies, then Shireen does have a claim on Storm's End. We could make getting that a condition of us bending the knee to Renly.
EDIT - I'll also point out that if we win, then Robb and Shireen's second child will also be the heir to Storm's End and the Stormlands.
EDIT 2 - Actually, that could be another point in our favor. Even if Stannis loses and dies, then Shireen does have a claim on Storm's End. We could make getting that a condition of us bending the knee to Renly.
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