This drama isn't happening to bludgeon the thread with morals or as a cheap way to engage us. It's happening because this is information we need in order to play intelligently and we clearly haven't absorbed it or we wouldn't have made this mistake.

Mistake? I don't consider this to have been a mistake. It's about what I would have expected.

Killing crazed killer first will make it easier in the future.
 
Well, that was a shitty chapter. Pointless melodrama is never good, and you keep reinforcing same points over and over again without any payoff.

If you are going to rely on character interactions as a crutch, try and make them enjoyable instead of quite literally eyerolling.

I was actually incapable of taking anything past first third seriously.

Uh... sorry you didn't enjoy it. But everything was necessary as I see it. While you see it as pointless, Alex just killed a man. Of course he's going to have a freak out. Would it have been better if he just said "Oh I killed a guy, just another tuesday."

He freaked out, he lashed out because his worldview took a big hit. As for the character interactions being a crutch, but that's what this story is about. The characters, they're needed not a possible side option. Sorry if you saw it as eye rolling, but I did the best I can. I'll try to make things better in the future, but this is what's needed for the moment.

Thank you for the criticism, but if you have anymore, please present it in a respectful manner.
Adhoc vote count started by IKnowNothing on Jul 13, 2017 at 9:03 AM, finished with 43 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Head out, and try to find Matthew. He was willing to sit down and talk before, and right now, that sounds like something you need.
    [X] Head out, and try to find Rebecca. Apologize for last night, talk about anything other than your powers. It might help both of you
    [X] Head out, and try to find Charles. You snapped at him, and he was just trying to help in his own way. Better apologize.
    [X] Head out, and try to find Contessa. If she has the perfect path, she probably knows exactly what to say to you to help you through this. And explain things while she's at it.
    [X] Stay in your room, and use the phone to call someone. Clint, Danah, your father, anyone.
    [X] Head out and try to find Manton. The Doctor might be blunt, but a blunt answer might just be what you need right now.
    [X] Head out, and try to find David. He was mean, and hurt you. But, he also knows what it's like. He is your mentor, time to let him try again.
 
[X] Head out, and try to find Matthew. He was willing to sit down and talk before, and right now, that sounds like something you need.
 
Uh... sorry you didn't enjoy it. But everything was necessary as I see it. While you see it as pointless, Alex just killed a man. Of course he's going to have a freak out. Would it have been better if he just said "Oh I killed a guy, just another tuesday."

He freaked out, he lashed out because his worldview took a big hit. As for the character interactions being a crutch, but that's what this story is about. The characters, they're needed not a possible side option. Sorry if you saw it as eye rolling, but I did the best I can. I'll try to make things better in the future, but this is what's needed for the moment.

Thank you for the criticism, but if you have anymore, please present it in a respectful manner.
Take a look at your timeline, for a moment. We had training with David, which ended with angst about what kind of damage we can do, followed by family angst, followed by what kind of damage we can do angst 2.0, with Alexandria scenes providing the only breather in between endless sea of gray.

Like, do you remember last time i've made this very same criticism?

As for update itself, it was wholly unnecessary. We already had "powers are serious bsns" chapter, so reiterating same message with ludicrously hamfisted writing just three chapters later doesn't actually do anything.
 
Take a look at your timeline, for a moment. We had training with David, which ended with angst about what kind of damage we can do, followed by family angst, followed by what kind of damage we can do angst 2.0, with Alexandria scenes providing the only breather in between endless sea of gray.

Like, do you remember last time i've made this very same criticism?

As for update itself, it was wholly unnecessary. We already had "powers are serious bsns" chapter, so reiterating same message with ludicrously hamfisted writing just three chapters later doesn't actually do anything.
The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I liked it. You probably have a point, but saying something was unnecessary is just mean.
 
Mistake? I don't consider this to have been a mistake. It's about what I would have expected.

Killing crazed killer first will make it easier in the future.
I don't know how to argue with that.
Erm?
I guess if your end goal is to distort everything we like about this charectar so he fits into the cookie cutter of hard men doing bad things for good reasons that worm thrives on, go team, great success.
 
I don't know how to argue with that.
Erm?
I guess if your end goal is to distort everything we like about this charectar so he fits into the cookie cutter of hard men doing bad things for good reasons that worm thrives on, go team, great success.
We never did get to see the backstory of Cauldron. Not just the origins, but the blighted years as everyone begins to lose hope and good men are turned into husks trying to reach unnatainable goal throught mountains of silenced corpses. I know this is probably gonna be the quest for that, but any kind of story actually following Cauldron instead of using it as background prop and plot device is worth it.
 
We never did get to see the backstory of Cauldron. Not just the origins, but the blighted years as everyone begins to lose hope and good men are turned into husks trying to reach unnatainable goal throught mountains of silenced corpses. I know this is probably gonna be the quest for that, but any kind of story actually following Cauldron instead of using it as background prop and plot device is worth it.
My complaint isn't that this is where this story is heading, my complaint was that it the way breifvoice phrased it made it seem as if this was the end goal he wanted.
Whereas the vast majority of us want to see a better/nicer world than canon worm.
 
[X] Head out, and try to find Rebecca. Apologize for last night, talk about anything other than your powers. It might help both of you.
 
[X] Head out, and try to find Matthew. He was willing to sit down and talk before, and right now, that sounds like something you need.
 
As horribly as it is for the guy, this is probably a good bit of character development.

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He doesn't look like he's about to regret anything. As much as they tried to hide it, the doctors at the hospital never really got the hang of hiding everything. There's always a dip, a tapping of fingers, a wasted step, something that shows that they really don't want to do something. This guy is probably having the time of his life. He's done this before, he knows how it's supposed to go down: You die, and he gets a laugh out of it.
SURPRISE
It might be what he expects, but you sure as hell aren't going to let that happen. You focus around him, and every wave that so much as touches the air he breaths shines for you. Raising a glowing hand, you smile as the man and his hands stop right where they are.
"Change?" you ask. "What the hell are you talking about?"
CURIOSITY
"How-h," he stutters to silence for a beat before continuing, his voice a feverishly stuttering mess of manic intensity. "How, hmm, " he giggles wetly and the hands around him seem to shake in silent mirth, "h-how did it happen, hmm? D-Did. Was there pain?" He smiles at that, as if there were nothing better in the world.
Did you… did you just?
FEAR
No, no-no-no you can't let that happen to her!
DESPERATION
You watch as she doesn't stop, and you feel the wall behind your back.
Just so you can cry, cry like the mistake that you are.
CONCERN
"Yes."
UNDERSTANDING
Your head shoots up, and David seems smaller as he sits there.
David nods and his eyes flash green. "Take as long as you think you need. We'll be here when you wake up, and this time, I'll do things right."
DATA FAVORABLE
The emerald light behind his eyes grows, and then it flashes. Then you can't feel anything.
INCREASING INTENSITY
So it seems like our Shard is pleased, and may have just given us some sort of boost as a reward for good data.

You didn't want to do this.
ALAM
Did you mean "ALARM"?

[x] Head out, and try to find Rebecca. Apologize for last night, talk about anything other than your powers. It might help both of you.

Waifu's are for making you feel better, so obvously the waifu option is the correct choice here.
 
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But how, we drank a vial which means our shard should be dead
Hmmm, think of it this way, shards are dead in the same way you would be if I took out your entire digestive track.

They still "live" until they finish running out of fuel, well, as much as a Shard can be alive in the first place.

They also have other poblems in general, becuase they did not all get sent off properly, like they were supposed to.
 
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[X] Head out, and try to find Rebecca. Apologize for last night, talk about anything other than your powers. It might help both of you.

Sounds like we were deliberately steered to get ourselves blooded.
 
[X] Head out and try to find Manton. The Doctor might be blunt, but a blunt answer might just be what you need right now.
 
[X] Head out, and try to find David. He was mean, and hurt you. But, he also knows what it's like. He is your mentor, time to let him try again.
 
Well, that was a shitty chapter. Pointless melodrama is never good, and you keep reinforcing same points over and over again without any payoff.

If you are going to rely on character interactions as a crutch, try and make them enjoyable instead of quite literally eyerolling.

I was actually incapable of taking anything past first third seriously.
Take a look at your timeline, for a moment. We had training with David, which ended with angst about what kind of damage we can do, followed by family angst, followed by what kind of damage we can do angst 2.0, with Alexandria scenes providing the only breather in between endless sea of gray.

Like, do you remember last time i've made this very same criticism?

As for update itself, it was wholly unnecessary. We already had "powers are serious bsns" chapter, so reiterating same message with ludicrously hamfisted writing just three chapters later doesn't actually do anything.

Dude, you are being kind of a dick with your critism. I mean wow, that was just insulting. On another note in regards to your critism:

The beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I liked it. You probably have a point, but saying something was unnecessary is just mean.

An oppinion is just that, an oppinion. Just because someone has an oppinion doesn't make it fact. You say it was a shitty and pointless chapter other people disagree. There are many ways to write a story and some people are going to have varying oppinions. From the way you wrote your post it seems like you just don't like the style at which I must say that you should probably just stop reading this quest rather than ask the QM to change his style just because you specifically don't like it.

And no I am not trying to be insulting. I genuinely believe that if someone doesn't like a story that they should just stop reading it instead of critizising a story they don't even like.
 
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[x] Head out, and try to find Contessa. If she has the perfect path, she probably knows exactly what to say to you to help you through this. And explain things while she's at it.

She's going to manipulate us and she probably arranged for this to happen but Alex also really needs an info dump about Cauldron's goals and about parahumans in general.
 
Just to keep things moving, I'll only be keeping the vote open for another day.

So please vote, discuss, and try to have fun with the quest.

As for some comments, I won't lie and say they don't hurt. If you haven't noticed, but I'm a very responsive writer. This was just a side project to get back into writing, but so many people liked the chapters and responded in the thread that I shifted my focus to this fully whenever I have the free time. So when people drop like bombs on my chapters, or say that I'm doing something well, it motivates me to think further into the future and then write faster with what limited time I have between work hours and family commitments. But, unfortunately, the same is also true for the opposite. When people don't like the chapters, and then go on to say that they're bad or shitty, it really puts me down and makes me wonder why I'm writing this quest at all. I'm not asking you guys to piece through every chapter to find something that I'm doing well or bad on, but only show your appreciation by liking the chapter or voting and discussing in general. If you have criticisms, I only ask that you present yourself in a respectful manner that doesn't degrade me and sucks any enjoyment I or others can have for this quest. If you cannot do this, I ask that you simply leave the thread.

As for other comments, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I'm grateful for you guys. Thank you for promoting a healthy thread, and I hope that I can make chapters that encourage things like this.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I had to get some things off my chest.
 
Just to keep things moving, I'll only be keeping the vote open for another day.

So please vote, discuss, and try to have fun with the quest.

As for some comments, I won't lie and say they don't hurt. If you haven't noticed, but I'm a very responsive writer. This was just a side project to get back into writing, but so many people liked the chapters and responded in the thread that I shifted my focus to this fully whenever I have the free time. So when people drop like bombs on my chapters, or say that I'm doing something well, it motivates me to think further into the future and then write faster with what limited time I have between work hours and family commitments. But, unfortunately, the same is also true for the opposite. When people don't like the chapters, and then go on to say that they're bad or shitty, it really puts me down and makes me wonder why I'm writing this quest at all. I'm not asking you guys to piece through every chapter to find something that I'm doing well or bad on, but only show your appreciation by liking the chapter or voting and discussing in general. If you have criticisms, I only ask that you present yourself in a respectful manner that doesn't degrade me and sucks any enjoyment I or others can have for this quest. If you cannot do this, I ask that you simply leave the thread.

As for other comments, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I'm grateful for you guys. Thank you for promoting a healthy thread, and I hope that I can make chapters that encourage things like this.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I had to get some things off my chest.
Fishing for compliments.jpg. :V
Well I've already commented to Wolfy so I don't have much to say.
I will however add I don't think anything you've written has been pure melodrama, there have been clearly established reasons for all the angst sessions and we can clearly see from David's response that character development is happening.
However I do have to agree angst has definitely been dominating most updates. I already have said I understand why these happen and that they don't feel inappropriate for the situations, so I'm going to suggest that perhaps you look at the pacing in future and play a little fast and loose with the votes to include more diversity.


Oh and as a discussion point for the thread. Did you misunderstand the mentor vote?
The way I interpreted the Charles option was that it focused on utility rather than combat and so I thought David's would help us more in the exact sort of situation we were just in. Given the recent interaction I now think it was a power vs control vote which rather flips that assessment.
 
Fishing for compliments.jpg. :V

#noshame

:V

However I do have to agree angst has definitely been dominating most updates. I already have said I understand why these happen and that they don't feel inappropriate for the situations, so I'm going to suggest that perhaps you look at the pacing in future and play a little fast and loose with the votes to include more diversity.

Fair enough I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the advice.
 
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