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Ashes Scatter (RWBY/CKII, After the End)

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I think we should make a list of what we wish to achieve with this emergency Council and whether or not we should move councilors away from their decided tasks to new ones.

1. Interrogate Atlas
2. Learn more and how to resolve the unrest in our realm before it turns into a full-blown revolt.
3. Remove Ciskophis from his position due to failing to stop two assassination attempts?

Anything else?
 
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Icipall said:
I think we should make a list of what we wish to achieve with this emergency Council and whether or not we should move councilors away from their decided tasks to new ones.

1. Interrogate Atlas
2. Learn more and how to resolve the unrest in our realm before it turns into a full-blown revolt.
3. Remove Ciskophis from his position due to failing to stop two assassination attempts?

Anything else?
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1a. And search his quarters, backtrace his activities...except the trail will have started to go cold after two months of not doing anything.
2a. Start backtracking the tellers. Gnostras somehow isn't doing anything here or is being countermanded somehow.
3a. And/or arrest Ciskophis on some pretense because we all know he's involved, we just don't appear to have open evidence yet

Can we have Lyra's scary mom back as an Intrigue unit? =/
 
Spectrum said:
1a. And search his quarters, backtrace his activities...except the trail will have started to go cold after two months of not doing anything.
2a. Start backtracking the tellers. Gnostras somehow isn't doing anything here or is being countermanded somehow.
3a. And/or arrest Ciskophis on some pretense because we all know he's involved, we just don't appear to have open evidence yet
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1. Good idea, even if it doesn't net anything.
2. Good idea
3. Can't do that without evidence. At least we can (hopefully) fire him.

I was thinking of sending Polybia to diplo the people that our rule is legitimate and we'll be capable ruler, Gnostras to backtrack the tellers and Pantakon to investigate and interrogate Atlas.

Dammit, if only our Spymaster was reliable.
 
Icipall said:
I was thinking of sending Polybia to diplo the people that our rule is legitimate and we'll be capable ruler
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I don't think Chancellors can effectively proselytize like that? Maybe pick off notable opposition but there isn't any, it's so far known only as a low end groundswell. I thought Chancellors tended to only really target a specific person. @Powerofmind Any feedback on that?
 
Spectrum said:
I don't think Chancellors can effectively proselytize like that? Maybe pick off notable opposition but there isn't any, it's so far known only as a low end groundswell. I thought Chancellors tended to only really target a specific person. @Powerofmind Any feedback on that?
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Speeches, plays, and mass. If we can do those things, we can bite our thumb at the person trying to kill us socially and the person trying to kill us physically.

Holding speeches is a good PR move, while plays that strengthen your position are more low key PR, and they would be a good counter to the current smear campaign against us.

Mass is an oft overlooked method of improving our position. The population is almost entirely made up of our religion, and they are those who were converted from another religion, meaning their faith may be stronger. If we can get the Tellers under our wing, we can really get the people under control.
 
Spectrum said:
I don't think Chancellors can effectively proselytize like that? Maybe pick off notable opposition but there isn't any, it's so far known only as a low end groundswell. I thought Chancellors tended to only really target a specific person. @Powerofmind Any feedback on that?
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Chancellors are court management. They deal with the nobility and outside realms first and foremost.

May I point you to
[] Suppress Revolts
-Reduce potential for unrest or low morale to cause rebellions or riots
 
Powerofmind said:
Chancellors are court management. They deal with the nobility and outside realms first and foremost.
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That's what I thought...

So working plan:
Spymaster - Fired
Chancellor - No change (yet)
Steward - No change (yet), but check with Dephis that there's no unrest in the Estos District either
Captain of the Guard - Interrogate Atlas, begin backtracing evidence to try and uncover more plot members
Head Teller - Trace down where tellers are taking religious direction from
Marshal - Suppress Revolts
 
Spectrum said:
That's what I thought...

So working plan:
Spymaster - Fired
Chancellor - No change (yet)
Steward - No change (yet), but check with Dephis that there's no unrest in the Estos District either
Captain of the Guard - Interrogate Atlas, begin backtracing evidence to try and uncover more plot members
Head Teller - Trace down where tellers are taking religious direction from
Marshal - Suppress Revolts
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It may have been unsuitably vague, but the Emergency Council allows Megara some personal leeway as well, and the general actions of each council seat can be expanded beyond their normal duties. It's all hands on deck right now, and you can make elaborate traps and plots and plans right now that will come to a head by turn's end.

Granted, you would lose out on the council's base actions if you went that far, but it is possible.
 
MobiusC said:
Kinda sounds like our ol' Spymaster but it doesn't sound like a 24 Intrigue level attempt. Then again, with Atlas in prison, daddy dearest may be trying to throw anything and everything at the wall as quickly as possible before we get a chance to kill his son, since he obviously doesn't give a shit about us. The spit-ball rumor mongering seems like an attempt to cast doubt on any statements we might make.

Regardless, two assassination attempts in two months have basically shown he's "not up to the demands of the position and will need step down". More drastic measures need to be taken in some form but he apparently has a decent public reputation.


Maybe we issue some decree that Atlas is to be killed if we die lol.

Also, need to find out why our guards were being morons.
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This is actually exactly what happens in CK2 if your spymaster hates you, you literally can't move two inches without another plot hitting you, because plotters talk to him, and they immediately get more than enough Plot Power to fire off their plot because the Spymaster won't interfere with them.

Because either he's responsible for half of them, or because he not only won't stop them, but he'll help them.

Either way, this is two assassination attempts in as many months, and he's shown no signs of having a target for us. He's out of his job either way, and realistically, we should be killing him for it as well.

You don't get to keep your position when you fail this hard so many times. And when your position is the intrigue specialist, you don't get to walk away with your connections and inside information either.
 
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@Powerofmind Does house arrest exist as a concept? How would that be viewed? (In this situation: You're fired and I can't prove yet that you've done something wrong, but I don't want you running around free either.)
 
Spectrum said:
...the spymaster is the person we would be wanting to arrest.
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Yes, and a forged letter convienently comes along after we arrest him (Even if we succeed mind you), and he gets released to go out, or he's bought the guards in advance to free him when we aren't looking.

Having a spymaster that hates you is usually your death knell in these games. Especially if they're actually good at their job. You can't get rid of them, and they'll likely kill you before you can pin them down.

At best, we might be able to kill him if we strike immediately after we make our move. But we'll never be able to hold him.
 
There is always the 'unfortunate acident' route doesn't even have to be fatal could just leave them unable to leave bed.
 
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Alectai said:
Yes, and a forged letter convienently comes along after we arrest him (Even if we succeed mind you), and he gets released to go out, or he's bought the guards in advance to free him when we aren't looking.

Having a spymaster that hates you is usually your death knell in these games. Especially if they're actually good at their job. You can't get rid of them, and they'll likely kill you before you can pin them down.

At best, we might be able to kill him if we strike immediately after we make our move. But we'll never be able to hold him.
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If he escapes immediately we strip him of his titles and his guilt can be declared. Yeah, he's running around free, but it's not like that's materially much different from his screwing us in plain sight anyway.

Either way, this is unrelated to the original line of discussion about it just the existence of a hostile spymaster causing things to fail. At this point it's like saying anyone hostile with a good Intrigue score (doesn't have to be the spymaster) causes everything to fail. This may even be true but it's not mechanically linked to the original inquiry.

Changeofheart said:
There is always the 'unfortunate acident' route doesn't even have to be fatal could just leave them unable to leave bed.
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I'm a fan of "killed while resisting arrest" myself.
 
House arrest is a feature of the game, if you don't want the victim to be especially upset with you or you don't want them to be in the squalor of a cell. For a man like Ciskophis, however, house arrest wouldn't hold him overlong compared to a proper iron-barred cell.
 
Powerofmind said:
House arrest is a feature of the game, if you don't want the victim to be especially upset with you or you don't want them to be in the squalor of a cell. For a man like Ciskophis, however, house arrest wouldn't hold him overlong compared to a proper iron-barred cell.
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This is just a innocent question with absolutely no ulterior motives, does our stepfather's room have a balcony? And if so how high is it?
 
@Powerofmind Sophocles is undeniably a fuck-up and a poor excuse for a Huntsman, but he still stacks up well to most men with unawakened Aura in combat, correct?

Do we have any indication of his personal loyalty? And if he's so bad, how is he Huntsman Superior anyway?
 
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@Powerofmind Sophocles is undeniably a fuck-up and a poor excuse for a Huntsman, but he still stacks up well to most men with unawakened Aura in combat, correct?

Do we have any indication of his personal loyalty? And if he's so bad, how is he Huntsman Superior anyway?
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Sophocles is still fairly capable of taking apart an unawakened man. Like all Huntsmen, his loyalty is in part paid for by the protection and status granted by patronage, though he's also loyal for his own reasons.

He's such a terrible Huntsman due to some poor choices and bad circumstances in the recent past. The apprentice who abandoned him left him with a lot of free time that he didn't use, and he was abandoned in the first place because he taught with too much caution following an accident with a previous apprentice.
 
Powerofmind said:
Sophocles is still fairly capable of taking apart an unawakened man. Like all Huntsmen, his loyalty is in part paid for by the protection and status granted by patronage, though he's also loyal for his own reasons.

He's such a terrible Huntsman due to some poor choices and bad circumstances in the recent past. The apprentice who abandoned him left him with a lot of free time that he didn't use, and he was abandoned in the first place because he taught with too much caution following an accident with a previous apprentice.
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Well I see only one way to bring him back up to tip top shape... throw him into the most dangerous, stupidly large grimm nest we can find with some men and one way or another the problem will be solved.
 
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Because there isn't a hell of a lot of discussion, creating an actual plan to try and motivate something.

[] Plan Put Out The Fire
-[X] Megara - Work with the Head Teller to try and publicly demonstrate Megara's piousness and worth as a ruler. After Ciskophis' death, make sure the funeral is public and suitable to express and focus on remorse, unity, and reconciliation in these trying times.
-[X] Chancellor - Have her mediate on your behalf with Kalinas to try and improve that relationship. Also try and help bring Aristos's opinion around and counter Ciskophis's previous words.
-[X] Steward - Check with Dephis that there's no economic unrest in the Estos District either, otherwise continue administrating.
-[X] Captain of the Guard - "Arrest" Ciskophis Mora but make it privately clear he's to be killed resisting arrest. Afterwards, interrogate Atlas, begin backtracing evidence from both Atlas and Ciskophis to try and uncover more plot members.
--[X] If there is any hesitation, explain the necessary reasoning that he is at the very least negligent and potentially culpable in the assassination attempts. Unfortunately, even if he is/was Megara's father, the spymaster simply cannot be fired knowing everything he knows, nor is there any confidence in actually holding him arrested.
-[X] Head Teller - Trace down where tellers are taking religious direction from and begin countering those efforts.
-[X] Marshal - Suppress Revolts and otherwise maintain public order
-[X] Spymaster - "Arrested"
-[X] Huntsman Superior - Assist with the "Arrest" of Ciskophis Mora. Afterwards, continue hunting Grimm and strengthening public order.

Ciskophis cannot be allowed to stay free, this is ridiculous. Personal and realm security trump whatever other considerations there are. Run damage control and plot busting on everything else.
 
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[X] Plan Put Out The Fire
-[X] Megara - Work with the Head Teller to try and publicly demonstrate Megara's piousness and worth as a ruler. After Ciskophis' death, make sure the funeral is public and suitable to express and focus on remorse, unity, and reconciliation in these trying times.
-[X] Chancellor - Have her mediate on your behalf with Kalinas to try and improve that relationship. Also try and help bring Aristos's opinion around and counter Ciskophis's previous words.
-[X] Steward - Check with Dephis that there's no economic unrest in the Estos District either
-[X] Captain of the Guard - "Arrest" Ciskophis Mora but make it privately clear he's to be killed resisting arrest. Afterwards, interrogate Atlas, begin backtracing evidence from both Atlas and Ciskophis to try and uncover more plot members.
-[X] Head Teller - Trace down where tellers are taking religious direction from and begin countering those efforts.
-[X] Marshal - Suppress Revolts and otherwise maintain public order
-[X] Spymaster - "Arrested"
-[X] Huntsman Superior - Assist with the "Arrest" of Ciskophis Mora. Afterwards, continue hunting Grimm and strengthening public order.

Seems resonable
 
[X] Plan Put Out The Fire
-[X] Megara - Work with the Head Teller to try and publicly demonstrate Megara's piousness and worth as a ruler. After Ciskophis' death, make sure the funeral is public and suitable to express and focus on remorse, unity, and reconciliation in these trying times.
-[X] Chancellor - Have her mediate on your behalf with Kalinas to try and improve that relationship. Also try and help bring Aristos's opinion around and counter Ciskophis's previous words.
-[X] Steward - Check with Dephis that there's no economic unrest in the Estos District either, otherwise continue administrating.
-[X] Captain of the Guard - "Arrest" Ciskophis Mora but make it privately clear he's to be killed resisting arrest. Afterwards, interrogate Atlas, begin backtracing evidence from both Atlas and Ciskophis to try and uncover more plot members.
--[X] If there is any hesitation, explain the necessary reasoning that he is at the very least negligent and potentially culpable in the assassination attempts. Unfortunately, even if he is/was Megara's father, the spymaster simply cannot be fired knowing everything he knows, nor is there any confidence in actually holding him arrested.
-[X] Head Teller - Trace down where tellers are taking religious direction from and begin countering those efforts.
-[X] Marshal - Suppress Revolts andotherwise maintain public order
-[X] Spymaster - "Arrested"
-[X] Huntsman Superior - Assist with the "Arrest" of Ciskophis Mora. Afterwards, continue hunting Grimm and strengthening public order

I like it
 
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