Legend of the Ronin (Legend of the Five Rings)
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Grandma is pretty clear on what she think we should do.
Too bad we didn't pick Duel defense but oh well, time to move on.
[X]Duel for leadership.
Too bad we didn't pick Duel defense but oh well, time to move on.
[X]Duel for leadership.
Much like Hida Isamu, Tsukiko is a support character in this context. Due to her rank (Being a captain) she can't actually drop everything to go across the Empire. However, she can direct you to people who can, and cover for a bunch of people seemingly going AWOL. Sorry that I didn't make it clearer.
[] "Bayushi-sama, if we enter this tournament, the team will need a leader. That leader can change, from round to round, and prove themselves to all involved. Shall we enter?"
[] Attend the tournament
Seems nice but doesn't address the social status and pride issues.
[X]Duel for leadership.
Well established tradition!
[] Attend the tournament
Seems nice but doesn't address the social status and pride issues.
[X]Duel for leadership.
Well established tradition!
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[X] Surrender Leadership to Bayushi-sama
[X] Attend the Tournament
[X] Attend the Tournament
Sirrocco
Pedantic
I wold actually be perfectly okay with letting Bayushi-sama have leadership of this little dance. Unfortunately, Kyoko won't go for it.
On the bright side, if we duel and lose (legitimately), she too may be expected to bow to the will of the heavens.
[X] Duel for leadership.
-[X] Do not insist on iajutsu.
...because playing the Crane Duelist card here seems too likely to alienate people, and we *do* need to work together. This is not about seeking to win. It is about coming to a resolution... even though, yes, it *will* upset grandmother.
On the bright side, if we duel and lose (legitimately), she too may be expected to bow to the will of the heavens.
[X] Duel for leadership.
-[X] Do not insist on iajutsu.
...because playing the Crane Duelist card here seems too likely to alienate people, and we *do* need to work together. This is not about seeking to win. It is about coming to a resolution... even though, yes, it *will* upset grandmother.
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Arc V: Month Five: Sword or Board?
---Attempt to duel Sora for leadership
Megumi Courtier vs Sora Etiquette= 33 v 52. Sora wins Luck auto used, void spent
Revised Result= 73 versus 52. Megumi wins
You take a deep breath, and begin to speak.
"Leadership of this squad must be determined, but given the task before us, I do not feel right leaving it in mere mortal hands. Bayushi-sama, let the heavens decide between us with a duel. Surely they will support the person who should lead us."
"Oh and what grounds does a ronin have to challenge a sitting member of a Great Clan?" Sora asks.
In any political conflict, there are three sources that can be appealed to for victory:
Precedent
Common Sense
Force
As a Ronin you almost never had precedent. However, you think you can bait her into a trap...provided she doesn't see through it. You begin your feint.
"The Ronin Yotsu Yatoshin-shiryo, was permitted to challenge the Emerald Champion Seppun Kiharu-shiryo. The Emperor allowed this to happen, since then the precedent has set. A ronin may challenge even an Imperial Samurai if there is need. I have standing Bayushi-sama"
There were a number of extenuating circumstances, but you wanted her to focus on the acceptance. TSo you stress Emperor and Champion. Making it clear you though that was enough.
Sora doesn't smile, but you can feel it in her voice.
"Ah, but a Clan or Imperial Samurai is under no obligation to accept, as shown by the actions of Usagi Reichin-shiryo and Bayushi Yusuke-shiryo." Sora responds easily.
And there you go...the trap is sprung. You had to gamble that Sora would focus on your focus...but then she thinks of you as dependable, not politically savvy. If you were, then you wouldn't be a ronin.
You don't smile as you ask a follow up question.
"Yet did not Usagi Reichin-shiryo earn the reward of his own family, after that refused challenge? More offensive characters would argue that there is reason the challenge was refused outside of status."
Sora's quick to rebut this.
"Bayushi Yusuke-shiryo died in the Battle of the Bloody Retreat, none can doubt his courage."
You say nothing. You don't have to, your face says enough.
'But you are not Bayushi Yusuke'
Scorpion do not follow Bushido as the rest of Rokugan has it. For the sake of the Clan or the Empire they will commit any sin it is said. Yet for all of that, they are still shaped by bushido. They will be cowards for the clan...but for themselves? No real Samurai, even Scorpion would do that.
The all concealing mask Sora wears does not help you see her frustration. However, you can feel it by the way she sits, and the way her hands slightly shift. Sora knows that you all but accused her of being a coward, and she knows you know that. She also knows that you said nothing that could be directly acted upon. Some would say that her ancestor was cowardly, you didn't, and you accepted her defence. The silence however puts it on her to continue to make the argument that she is like Bayushi Yusuke...and implicitly ceding you the roll of Usagi Reichin, the first ronin, if not the last to gain the right to found a minor Clan.
To deny you leadership with that parallel, would be to make a fool out of herself, and she knows that.
"...Your point is made, Megumi-san. A duel then, tradition dictates that we do this via the art of Iaijutsu, but leading a squad is about more than skill with a blade. The Heaven's can make their will known through any contest." Sora says.
"This is true" You allow.
She continues:
"Then let the duel be over a Shogi board. My own preference is Go, so that way you can be assured that I am not trying to swindle you."
You mentally frown for a moment. You have no doubt that Bayushi Sora, is smarter than you, and better educated in tactics, this could be essentially ceding the position to her. However...she has a point. Small unit tactics are more important than that....and by giving her ground, it will make it all the more impressive should you win.
But, its your choice to accept or not.
[] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
[] Insist on Iaijutsu (Pro: Given your skill, you'll almost certainly win, Con: Sora and Yukiko unhappy)
AN: I know Sirrocco said to not insist it was a duel, but it seems only fair to put it to the vote. Luck was used on the Courtier Roll to get this result
Megumi Courtier vs Sora Etiquette= 33 v 52. Sora wins Luck auto used, void spent
Revised Result= 73 versus 52. Megumi wins
You take a deep breath, and begin to speak.
"Leadership of this squad must be determined, but given the task before us, I do not feel right leaving it in mere mortal hands. Bayushi-sama, let the heavens decide between us with a duel. Surely they will support the person who should lead us."
"Oh and what grounds does a ronin have to challenge a sitting member of a Great Clan?" Sora asks.
In any political conflict, there are three sources that can be appealed to for victory:
Precedent
Common Sense
Force
As a Ronin you almost never had precedent. However, you think you can bait her into a trap...provided she doesn't see through it. You begin your feint.
"The Ronin Yotsu Yatoshin-shiryo, was permitted to challenge the Emerald Champion Seppun Kiharu-shiryo. The Emperor allowed this to happen, since then the precedent has set. A ronin may challenge even an Imperial Samurai if there is need. I have standing Bayushi-sama"
There were a number of extenuating circumstances, but you wanted her to focus on the acceptance. TSo you stress Emperor and Champion. Making it clear you though that was enough.
Sora doesn't smile, but you can feel it in her voice.
"Ah, but a Clan or Imperial Samurai is under no obligation to accept, as shown by the actions of Usagi Reichin-shiryo and Bayushi Yusuke-shiryo." Sora responds easily.
And there you go...the trap is sprung. You had to gamble that Sora would focus on your focus...but then she thinks of you as dependable, not politically savvy. If you were, then you wouldn't be a ronin.
You don't smile as you ask a follow up question.
"Yet did not Usagi Reichin-shiryo earn the reward of his own family, after that refused challenge? More offensive characters would argue that there is reason the challenge was refused outside of status."
Sora's quick to rebut this.
"Bayushi Yusuke-shiryo died in the Battle of the Bloody Retreat, none can doubt his courage."
You say nothing. You don't have to, your face says enough.
'But you are not Bayushi Yusuke'
Scorpion do not follow Bushido as the rest of Rokugan has it. For the sake of the Clan or the Empire they will commit any sin it is said. Yet for all of that, they are still shaped by bushido. They will be cowards for the clan...but for themselves? No real Samurai, even Scorpion would do that.
The all concealing mask Sora wears does not help you see her frustration. However, you can feel it by the way she sits, and the way her hands slightly shift. Sora knows that you all but accused her of being a coward, and she knows you know that. She also knows that you said nothing that could be directly acted upon. Some would say that her ancestor was cowardly, you didn't, and you accepted her defence. The silence however puts it on her to continue to make the argument that she is like Bayushi Yusuke...and implicitly ceding you the roll of Usagi Reichin, the first ronin, if not the last to gain the right to found a minor Clan.
To deny you leadership with that parallel, would be to make a fool out of herself, and she knows that.
"...Your point is made, Megumi-san. A duel then, tradition dictates that we do this via the art of Iaijutsu, but leading a squad is about more than skill with a blade. The Heaven's can make their will known through any contest." Sora says.
"This is true" You allow.
She continues:
"Then let the duel be over a Shogi board. My own preference is Go, so that way you can be assured that I am not trying to swindle you."
You mentally frown for a moment. You have no doubt that Bayushi Sora, is smarter than you, and better educated in tactics, this could be essentially ceding the position to her. However...she has a point. Small unit tactics are more important than that....and by giving her ground, it will make it all the more impressive should you win.
But, its your choice to accept or not.
[] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
[] Insist on Iaijutsu (Pro: Given your skill, you'll almost certainly win, Con: Sora and Yukiko unhappy)
AN: I know Sirrocco said to not insist it was a duel, but it seems only fair to put it to the vote. Luck was used on the Courtier Roll to get this result
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
[x] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
I was the only one that voted that, and despite how it may seem at times, my vote is still just one vote. I am happy with the option.
I was the only one that voted that, and despite how it may seem at times, my vote is still just one vote. I am happy with the option.
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If you're implying we have a 50/50 chance here then I think you might be exaggerating. I can't believe she has the gall to say she's not swindling us.
I'm curious what you're aiming for here, I believe that agreeing to shogi is essentially ceding control of the team as we are unskilled and have 2 int. Even after Void I don't see us winning against a Bayushi Bushi, especially since she'll be voiding herself. Do you just not care about leading the squad?
Obviously the correct thing to do here is undermine everything,
[ ] You are correct that any enemies would be unlikely to be honourable enough in a duel. I would also be happy to match you in Kenjutsu,Yarijutsu or Kyujutsu. However if you insist that our enemies will come at us armed with boards and game pieces then I'll agree to shogi.
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[ ] You are correct that any enemies would be unlikely to be honourable enough in a duel. I would also be happy to match you in Kenjutsu,Yarijutsu or Kyujutsu. However if you insist that our enemies will come at us armed with boards and game pieces then I'll agree to shogi.
Edit.
Convinced.
[x] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
Edit.
Convinced.
[x] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
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No. Do not do this
This was a joke not an actual suggestion. It calls attention to the fact that we believe we're a better warrior in her in multiple disciplines. It makes us look bad as if we believe that we could do better we should insist on it rather than passive aggressively accepting.
This vote is literally
[ ] Worst of both worlds.
Theres a reason I described it as undermining everything.
@Dark as Silver @Simonbob
Sora's actually significantly better at Kyujutsu than Megumi. And Megumi knows this.
Sora is being honest about her not knowing a thing about Shogi. (Megumi's Rank 2 tech ensures that)
But yes she expects this to be a better chance to win than a normal duel. That said Megumi is under no obligation to accept, which is why I'm giving a choice.
Sora's actually significantly better at Kyujutsu than Megumi. And Megumi knows this.
Sora is being honest about her not knowing a thing about Shogi. (Megumi's Rank 2 tech ensures that)
But yes she expects this to be a better chance to win than a normal duel. That said Megumi is under no obligation to accept, which is why I'm giving a choice.
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Good to know however since I consider that a trash vote that should not be touched with a ten foot pole it doesn't really change anything for me.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
I really don't. In particular, I think that the Empire will be better served by a team that is serving together effectively without rancor than by one that happens to be led by us. We aren't particularly good at leadership skills... and if we insist on Iajutsu, it'll be pulling the Crane Kakita-school BS, which the Scorpion rightfully hate, except that we're doing it as a Ronin, so it burns more. This way, we give her a solid chance to win. If she wins, we fall in line, and the party moves on with a decent bit of internal cohesion. If we win, she falls in line, and we get a lot more internal cohesion than we would if we'd insisted on iajutsu.
Why do we care about leading the squad? What do we gain? If we survive this trip, we'll be covered in glory anyway, and our life is cut fairly short regardless. Honestly, having a high-ranking Clan Samurai as official leader is likely better for the mission than having us anyway - it cuts out a lot of the BS along the way if people are acting as they are expected to act.
Honor > Glory.
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I rather agree. And traditionally SV doesn't always make the best strategic decisions so forcing that on Glorious QM seems like fun.
[X] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
So like, my next quest. I'm going to ask a mod to make this a tag, because it'll be so damn relevant.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
The whole quote?
Well the meat of it
"SV doesn't always make the best strategic decisions"
"Forcing it on the QM"
(I'm not nearly self assured enough to say I'm glorious)
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[X] Agree to a Shogi match to determine who leads (Pro: Happier Sora and Yukiko, Con: You don't actually know how to play Shogi. Winning is a toss up)
-[X] Ask Isawa Kyoko to Champion you with the argument that any leader knows when to use the right appliance of force.
-[X] Ask Isawa Kyoko to Champion you with the argument that any leader knows when to use the right appliance of force.
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Hah. Would that even work?
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Probably not: But we do have a few factors on our side
-You can choose a champion when a weapon is chosen you are unfamiliar with (Hence why Shugenja choose Bushi to fight for them normally)
-The Scorpion may appreciate the guile of us throwing a both honorable and dishonorable curveball and recognise that this is something which is needed in a leader
-If Kyoko agrees to play the match for us, refusing the champion would be rude
On the other side:
-May splinter the group even further
-Kyoko may loose, in which case we are both silly and incompetent (doesnt matter at that point, arguably)
-Kyoko may refuse to play for us, in which case we look really silly.
This is by no means the only arguments, but the gist of it is there. I give it a 50-50 tossup that we could get away with it. Its either that or hope that Granny somehow helps us play Shogi and that is not how it normally works.
Um, while an interesting thought. Kyoko doesn't know Shogi. She knows about Shogi in a general sense (Sage) but she's never actually played the game. On a different note, if you get a champion, than Sora is in her rights to ask for a champion. As your reasoning applies equally to her.
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