Last Light of a Dark Age (Warhammer 29K/Disco Elysium)

I am afraid that this is the fight against the Dreamshape. This is how dreamshapes really fight. Not with plasma beams and swords.
It's pretty confusing to make out which part is and isn't us working in the present when we're still in memory town. I thought the dreamshape part ended whenever the talk started to go back to the memories and fully after the last Gray portion ended and we went back to talking about koras and the war vs the 3 artificial gods.
 
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Obligatory 10/10 perfect chapter comment that was well worth the wait with only minor grammatical and spelling typos that ultimately enhance the humanistic elements of the story. First, I think most of us could have guessed that the Immaculates betrayed Kora and that Kora was not 100% dead because this is Warhammer so of course no one gets to just be dead after seizing the position at the head of the table. Second, I can't believe that the topic of hats finally came up in the universe and that the other hylics wear witch hats that I can only imagine are in the style of Schierke's from Beserk. Third, Harmony is reaching dangerous levels of hatred and speed that I feel may soon become catastrophic. Fourth, Kora should have expected her guards to betray her, likely possessed insufficient will to subjugate those who possessed the face of the one she loved, and failed to grasp that in Warhammer godhood does not require consent. As this is Warhammer, Kora was damned to a fate worse than death the moment she allowed a single self to worship her without stomping down on that shit with the force of a titan's tread and by failing to institute a strict orthodoxy that severely punished any worship of her that she did not approve of. The very least she could have done was strip them of their faces and impose exile. In short, Kora was soft on those she loved, who bore her face, and who loved her. Thankfully Beatific Dolorous Harmony does not have that problem at all. Last, Cetashwayo you are to blame for me imagining Mephet'ran the Deceiver as an old man living out his golden years in a fishing hat sitting beside a pond just enjoying life while lazily casting lines to catch and release fish he has carefully farmed in said pond. I just wanted you to know that.

[X] Attrition. Slow, measured. Inflict the greatest material damage for fewest lives lost. Use your Night Witches sparingly, leveraging your immunity to illusion, target ammunition dumps, ballista batteries - tighten a vice around Phalanx Hypnos that will expose him. Then your strong reserve of Night Witches will strike, and end him.
This option synergizes best with our type of wire enhancement.
[X] Don't use the Auratic Thread.
I do not trust Ruxanna. Or tech that could have been sabotaged.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Justice. This is an idealization of your axiom Sunrise Parabellum, reframed as a statement of uncompromising principle.
I'm a long time supporter of Sunrise Parabellum and have hated that the so-called "pleasant country" has the icon of Justice since this injustice was first revealed.
[X] The Colossi. Gods in an inhuman shape. Alien, structural forces, indifferent, grinding, uncaring, that define time, define history, define creation, by their brutal, impersonal design. The suns, the seasons, the sea.
 
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It's pretty confusing to make out which part is and isn't us working in the present when we're still in memory town. I thought the dreamshape part ended after the last Gray portion ended and we went back to talking about koras and the war vs the 3 artificial gods.

Well, yes, you felt for a moment the present moment then snapped back.

But the point I am trying to make is the past and present aren't disconnected here and the reason why this is happening and being shown is not because I want to show some fun background, which would be a waste of your and my time.
 
It's pretty confusing to make out which part is and isn't us working in the present when we're still in memory town. I thought the dreamshape part ended after the last Gray portion ended and we went back to talking about koras and the war vs the 3 artificial gods.
The fact its confusing is the point. Nothing is true, everything matters, it's hazy, inconsistent, illogical, and weird because that is what dreams are. How do you fight a dream that wants to keep you there? How do you fight a sleep-paralysis demon that has paralyzed your body and thoughts? One way is by having someone outside of you come and help you, but unfortunately, it looks like we are on our own. So best guess is to just ride it out. By that I mean we have to avoid despairing and dying. It will throw everything it has in hopes of causing Harmony to break and as long as she stays strong and prepares adequately she has a fighting chance.
Edit: I just realized Mother Sympathy is going to suffer a fate worse than death just like Kora or possibly die at Harmony's hands because given everything we have seen so far that is the only thing that could cause her to voluntarily get stapled.
 
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It sure is comforting that our newest buddy is an extension of something that wants to dissolve all that lives into grey soup. Really, maybe we can somehow invite a tiny serpent or four to complete the set of mini-villains.
 
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Passion. This is an idealization of your axiom Blackstar, reframed as a position of overwhelming passion for the pain of others.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Mercy. This is an idealization of your axiom The Witch they Wanted, reframed as a protection of the weak against the strong.


[X] The Caprices. Gods, in a human shape. Ever-passionate, ever-spiteful monsters, too-caring, too-interested, their hands on the lathe of fate, their intentions malice, evil, cruelty. The Immaculates, the Prime Souls, the Titans.
 
Damn, poor Kora, nobody deserves a fate like that. The true jailor/jailed in the panopticon of love, we all really were like Kora all along. That does make the two Immaculates who got baited by Chaos more interesting. Shouldn't they have known Kora was still alive or in the hundreds of years after they imprisoned her did they grow a conscience?

Oh also next update is probably number 13, our lucky number!
 
It sure is comforting that our newest buddy is an extension of something that wants to dissolve all that lives into grey soup. Really, maybe we can somehow invite a tiny serpent or four to complete the set of mini-villains.
How else are we supposed to get the five girlfriends for the pentagram relationship plan? Starting off we have bloodletter-chan the tsundere, across from her is deamonette-san the yandere, next to her is plague walker-kun the deredere, with pink horror-senpai the kuudere, and of course, who could forget Deceiver Shard-nakama the mayadere who has been with Harmony from the start. Of course, the god to be restored is Kora and since OG Kora is not Kora anymore the title of Kora passes to the Kora that is the most Kora i.e. Harmony.
 
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[X] Attrition. Slow, measured. Inflict the greatest material damage for fewest lives lost. Use your Night Witches sparingly, leveraging your immunity to illusion, target ammunition dumps, ballista batteries - tighten a vice around Phalanx Hypnos that will expose him. Then your strong reserve of Night Witches will strike, and end him.
[X] Use the Auratic Thread.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Candor. This is an idealization of your axiom Washing Machine Heart, reframed as a stance of extreme commitment to truth.
[X] The Caprices. Gods, in a human shape. Ever-passionate, ever-spiteful monsters, too-caring, too-interested, their hands on the lathe of fate, their intentions malice, evil, cruelty. The Immaculates, the Prime Souls, the Titans.
 
It sure is comforting that our newest buddy is an extension of something that wants to dissolve all that lives into grey soup. Really, maybe we can somehow invite a tiny serpent or four to complete the set of mini-villains.

I dunno, it seems almost benign, for an extension of a planet eating monstrosity. "I compare you to a kiss from a rose on The Gray…"

Oddly, it seems like almost every guest in Harm's psyche can be said to have understandable aspirations for her. The Locks wants her to be like Kora—and Kora's dream was beautiful, even if her treacherous advisors were not. She is an echo of a kind of twisted, self-destructive patriotism, but Koinon has showed is how powerful—how righteous—how proud—how foolish—that can be. The Cost and the Event Horizon seem to want her to flower into something beautiful, and seem to have the most to do with Harm's own volition… or do they? They're the nexus of her nega-Dream, always questioning and never answering. Gen is a speaking machine and not an embodiment of the Mother or the Father, and by Gnosis it is an abomination not to be trusted—but it only wants what is best for its host. It knows love, trust, companionship, betrayal. It probably dreams of restoring Miss Normal so it may experience the world through her senses once more, and know of more experiences machines like it are not meant to know.

Even Gen <<Autofail>> wants something, nebulously, good. Sure, it is an invasive Dreamshape that doesn't belong to her and wants to erase/subvert her so that she Despairs and Dies, but who can't sympathize with what Dreamspace represents? A happy ending, an eternal sun, forever at peace, forever dead.

I wonder what The Gray wants for her. My guess is it involves sea shanties, and I'm all for it.
 
I will say generally that if it's shown it's important. Explaining how is wild spoilers but everything being shown on screen is pretty important. Even pretty small stuff. I am not wasting thousands of words introducing Cubes, cities, new technologies, the Immaculates, etc - for it to be utterly irrelevant. Neither are the relationships shown irrelevant.

But as players might have seen I set things up in advance. This makes things easier later. Part of why this update took so long wasn't because it was irrelevent, but because it's crucial in ways that will become obvious soon. I never want to waste people's time like that, I can do that with lore tidibits in informational.

Just thematically, though, this is Harmony's story. Whether past or present, it matters. As far as you know, the past is all that matters. The choices you make determine what person will exist at the end of this, if you survive at all.
 
Oh I think the Grey is just the Eater wearing a little hipster hat made out of sea shanties and sad harmonica. It is surrender.

Like many obscurantist fantasists before him, Cetashwayo makes a lot more sense once you look for existentialist bones under the color and noise.
 
Like many obscurantist fantasists before him, Cetashwayo makes a lot more sense once you look for existentialist bones under the color and noise.

Hey, this wasn't me. Gnosticism thought of it first, I'm just copying the Aeons' homework. Within myth and allegory, the Jungian psychological journey of inner knowing. And freaky snakes.
 
Hey, this wasn't me. Gnosticism thought of it first, I'm just copying the Aeons' homework. Within myth and allegory, the Jungian psychological journey of inner knowing. And freaky snakes.

was it the gnostics who said that hope is scratchy jazz music playing in a miserable town of people going about their mundane lives who can't make things right but keep trying anyway
 
was it the gnostics who said that hope is scratchy jazz music playing in a miserable town of people going about their mundane lives who can't make things right but keep trying anyway

Yes, please consult the scrolls of Nag Hammadi and the ancient texts of Miles Davis in sequence

I really hope we pull this off.

This is not a trap vote. There is a chance of doing something incredible here. You already come close with Theia.
 
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[X] Attrition. Slow, measured. Inflict the greatest material damage for fewest lives lost. Use your Night Witches sparingly, leveraging your immunity to illusion, target ammunition dumps, ballista batteries - tighten a vice around Phalanx Hypnos that will expose him. Then your strong reserve of Night Witches will strike, and end him.
[X] Use the Auratic Thread.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Justice. This is an idealization of your axiom Sunrise Parabellum, reframed as a statement of uncompromising principle.
[X] The Colossi. Gods in an inhuman shape. Alien, structural forces, indifferent, grinding, uncaring, that define time, define history, define creation, by their brutal, impersonal design. The suns, the seasons, the sea.
Voting as always according to that great arbiter of all things, Vibes.
 
[X] Attrition. Slow, measured. Inflict the greatest material damage for fewest lives lost. Use your Night Witches sparingly, leveraging your immunity to illusion, target ammunition dumps, ballista batteries - tighten a vice around Phalanx Hypnos that will expose him. Then your strong reserve of Night Witches will strike, and end him.
[X] Use the Auratic Thread.
[X] The Caprices. Gods, in a human shape. Ever-passionate, ever-spiteful monsters, too-caring, too-interested, their hands on the lathe of fate, their intentions malice, evil, cruelty. The Immaculates, the Prime Souls, the Titans.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Mercy. This is an idealization of your axiom The Witch they Wanted, reframed as a protection of the weak against the strong.
 
Read it through and took a nap, ready to think on the update now.

[X] Attrition. Slow, measured. Inflict the greatest material damage for fewest lives lost. Use your Night Witches sparingly, leveraging your immunity to illusion, target ammunition dumps, ballista batteries - tighten a vice around Phalanx Hypnos that will expose him. Then your strong reserve of Night Witches will strike, and end him.

[X] Use the Auratic Thread.

If the option to use a shiny new thing presents itself, I can't help but want to pick it. It also sort of represents that things aren't broken off between the two sides after the Immaculate Incident, and if it proves helpful, leaves at least a positive memory of the Titan's side of things. At first, I thought it might've been some minor sabotage after that Karuna scene, but the clarification on using it with the right plan makes it seem like it's just genuine but untested aid. I feel like Hit and Run might've also been really good for the information gathering the thread encourages, but maybe I'm thinking too much of the idea of the wire pulling back people as part of the "run" part of the plan.

[X] Our Sister of Supreme Mercy. This is an idealization of your axiom The Witch they Wanted, reframed as a protection of the weak against the strong.
[X] Our Sister of Supreme Passion. This is an idealization of your axiom Blackstar, reframed as a position of overwhelming passion for the pain of others.

The scenes where Harmony goes off on everyone was entertaining, cathartic, and necessary, but I personally think it's the type of thing you don't exactly want to be crystallized as something even more fundamental to yourself. These two reform the two more sensitive sides(in my opinion) into something more complete, while I feel like the other two don't really feel like improvements of the axioms or Harmony in ways that matter? I prefer Blackstar personally, but the title for The Witch is way better in my opinion. It sounds like one of those ominously ironic titles, like naming your murdersword Kindness.

[X] The Caprices. Gods, in a human shape. Ever-passionate, ever-spiteful monsters, too-caring, too-interested, their hands on the lathe of fate, their intentions malice, evil, cruelty. The Immaculates, the Prime Souls, the Titans.

I think there's a case to be made against Colossi in other types of stories(and a case supporting more flawed but adaptable gods), but so far, I think most of the story has focused on just how terrible human-like gods are. The Bronze King, the Carnosan paradise shattered, the seed/genetic banks gone forever, countless other visions crushed, and the Koinon dream, in my opinion, painfully corrupted. The Prime Souls, vengeance unchecked and the people's very history and culture forever tainted by their touch. The Immaculates, what the actual hell. It also doesn't feel like it'd make sense to choose Colossi since, I feel like we're kind of aiming to support/become one? Unless I totally misread that.

Overall really enjoyable update. I understand some of the thoughts on the longer update, but I don't really think I wanted to miss any of it? It was a bit fragmentary and jarring when scenes shifted, but I think that's the point. I sympathize with Karuna a lot though. Like, even if you can point out he's being a hypocrite, I think it takes a lot to look at something you cared about, see them part of something completely against everything you stand for, and go, no. I can't be part of this.

Side note, I know Koinon has a lot of stacked in their favor right now, but it makes me wonder how they still got away with the most gains it feels like after the war. This is supposed to be the turnaround against them, I think? I guess the Titans are still doomed, though.
 
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