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[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
Great dream and it really fits with Vis, the only problem is that Aegon (who do we have to convince) hates Maergor and doesn't really care about his great-aunt, whose feelings for him are mutual. If he could he would happily get rid of them, as he genuinely doesn't believe they are or can be trusted. So how is this explanation going to make him forgive Viserys' perceived betrayal of him, if he can't accept the context?

At most, I can see him believing that we are too naive and have ended up being taken advantage of by his enemies, which is not something we want, we want him to take our words and advice seriously and trust that we know what we are doing.
 
I don't know if this is a write in or not but!

[Write in] [x] Tell him of your plan, of your need to have Maegor steady the realm whilst he can prepare, to save it...

Tell him that Maegor is necessary. That despite the rift between our family, we have to stay together as one. tell him of what you know of the faith, how they see us, Targaryens as abominations. How Maegor will be there to act as a shield, as we grow in strength and confidence. With ourselves and Rhaena giving you support or advice. because i know you can be the king that Westeros needs, the king that i swear to serve and help you rise!
 
[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
 
Shoulda put a hold on votes, can already tell this is going to be decisive, isn't it? Allowed some discussion before anything else.
 
Great dream and it really fits with Vis, the only problem is that Aegon (who do we have to convince) hates Maergor and doesn't really care about his great-aunt, whose feelings for him are mutual. If he could he would happily get rid of them, as he genuinely doesn't believe they are or can be trusted. So how is this explanation going to make him forgive Viserys' perceived betrayal of him, if he can't accept the context?

At most, I can see him believing that we are too naive and have ended up being taken advantage of by his enemies, which is not something we want, we want him to take our words and advice seriously and trust that we know what we are doing.
A fair argument, but saying that we only dream of being his loyal brother and nothing more could come off as obsequious if we make even the slightest error. This way, Viserys comes across as idealistic, sure, and indeed maybe a tad naïve, but if we come off as fawning to a guy who's already unsure of us, he could just as easily consider us two-faced. This way, we're laying the whole truth before him, keeping no secrets.
 
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A fair argument, but saying that we only dream of being his loyal brother and nothing more could come off as obsequious if we make even the slightest error. This way, Viserys comes across as idealistic, sure, and indeed maybe a tad naïve, but if we come off as fawning to a guy who's already unsure of us, he could just as easily consider us two-faced. This way, we're laying the whole truth before him, keeping no secrets.
It's not a question of being a flatterer, Aegon previously believed completely that Viserys would be on his side, I'm sure that he, like Vis himself, imagined his brother as the Hand, helping him to administer the Kingdom. Maybe he dreamed that the three of them together would act and overthrow Maegor and his mother, ensuring his reign in an epic story.

So suddenly the kind brother who had never been interested in the intrigues at Court before made a deal with Maegor, his bogeyman since he was a child, out of the blue without consulting either him or his sister (I'm sure he had a conversation with her later to see if it was some kind of plan created by the two of them just to come out empty).

Was this the most realistic plan to prevent the Kingdom's problems from blowing up in their family's faces and give them time to create solutions that don't require Maegor? Yes, and as a prince Aegon logically understands this. Could this, in the unlikely event, improve family relations and allow the family to face the storm with a united front? Most likely not, but there is always a chance.

Does he care about any of this? Not at all, because his hurt feelings are clouding that. And it shows that his feelings for Viserys were deep if he is exploding like this.

Tell me how exactly is this choice resolving the root of Aegon's problem with us at this point, especially when Vis himself does not like Maegor and knows that it is inevitable that he and Aegon would fight for the throne, with only the method being different, since they both grew up thinking that it is theirs?

(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)

To me it seems like an excuse that at best can make Aegon think we were deceived and calm things down temporarily but make the wound not heal. So the method is not so good in the long run.

What I chose, combined with Viserys' high diplomatic skills and traits, low stress and Aegon's persistent love and affection, I sincerely believe, makes him realize that Viserys really still supports him with all his heart but seeing no way out for his future situation decided to sacrifice himself by making a deal so that they have more time to improve Aegon's position as crown prince.

I think this will be much more effective because it won't be subversive in the eyes of Aegon and Vis (whose dream is still to be his brother's second) and will just be loyal and supportive.

Sorry if I'm being too verbose and not explaining my point well.
 
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It's not a question of being a flatterer, Aegon previously believed completely that Viserys would be on his side, I'm sure that he, like Vis himself, imagined his brother as the Hand, helping him to administer the Kingdom. Maybe he dreamed that the three of them together would act and overthrow Maegor and his mother, ensuring his reign in an epic story.
Agreed, it's not about being a flatterer per se. It's more that Aegon, emotional as he is, could see it that way. At this point, he's scared and angry and looking for an excuse to lash out. This way, by laying it all out and balancing both love for him and the greater good, we have a better chance than just giving him platitudes.
Tell me how exactly is this choice resolving the root of Aegon's problem with us at this point, especially when Vis himself does not like Maegor and knows that it is inevitable that he and Aegon would fight for the throne, with only the method being different, since they both grew up thinking that it is theirs?
The point here is that we're making it clear that Vis doesn't like Maegor either, but he does love his family. We're making nice with someone we once hated, yes, but we're just as firmly on our brother's side as ever. And nothing will ever change that. Since Egg's as frightened as he is, complete honesty is probably the best policy here. Especially since Aegon explicitly demanded it from Viserys. He's likely to flip out at the slightest sign of false reassurance. And since it's completely in character for Viserys, Aegon has no reason to disbelieve us.
Sorry if I'm being too verbose and not explaining my point well.
Oh, no, not at all. Your point was very well-articulated. This has been fun.
 
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I'd reward this in some way if I could because this is some in depth stuff that I love. Seriously, enjoy this type of discussion and some people's thoughts on other characters and their motivations. Though some may be wrong and others may have a different outcome than the actual canon did considering the changes already occuring, but good stuff Azais.
 
[X] Tell him of your dream, of your dream to always be by his side, to be the brother he needed...

I wish there was an option to point out that Meagor rides the largest Dragon currently alive and is a ruthless enough bastard to use it the second he gets an excuse so an outright fight for the throne was always gonna be in his favor.

Don't get me wrong, I get where Aegon is coming from I do, but bigger army diplomacy is always an option and that fat fuck of a dragon is the biggest force multiplier currently alive.

Edit: I suppose I could do a write-in but I feel like if we tried to tell him this now he'd just get defensive and go "I could totally take him."
 
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Since Egg's as frightened as he is, complete honesty is probably the best policy here. Especially since Aegon explicitly demanded it from Viserys. He's likely to flip out at the slightest sign of false reassurance. And since it's completely in character for Viserys, Aegon has no reason to disbelieve us.
But I had said that I think Vis saying this is a lie, going against any honesty because Viserys knows that it is basically impossible of the begin.
[X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)

Oh, no, not at all. Your point was very well-articulated. This has been fun.
I'd reward this in some way if I could because this is some in depth stuff that I love. Seriously, enjoy this type of discussion and some people's thoughts on other characters and their motivations. Though some may be wrong and others may have a different outcome than the actual canon did considering the changes already occuring, but good stuff Azais.
Thanks, when I get invested in something I can write too much and lose my argument in a sea of letters but that's just a sign that this quest is great.
 
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(Which makes this choice a lie in my eyes because Viserys himself knows that there is no way to reconcile the family at this point, both Aegon and Maegor want that throne and will not let it go, this is their line in the sand. The family will fight and he has already chosen to side with his brother)
Calling this one an outright lie is something of a stretch. Sure, Viserys knows that the rift runs deep, but this is still the guy who saw something good in the Cannibal of all dragons. Being an idealist is just in his nature. And Aegon's main problem here is that we didn't trust him earlier (in his mind, at least). What we state here is ultimately a dream, in the end.
 
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This is still neck and neck, only a few votes seperate them. Yes, next time....

I'll hold the votes :p Aegon the Uncrowned really is special to voters here.
 
@Dyeus remember that the character sheet is still out of date, our stress is still at 40 instead of 0, our new dream is not registered and Dragonrider's ability also did not have any changes
 
We're pulling away as it stands but I will give it another day or two to settle before
Adhoc vote count started by Dyeus on Feb 11, 2025 at 11:23 AM, finished with 24 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Tell him of your dream, of your dream to always be by his side, to be the brother he needed...
    [X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
    [x] Tell him of your plan, of your need to have Maegor steady the realm whilst he can prepare, to save it...

@Dyeus remember that the character sheet is still out of date, our stress is still at 40 instead of 0, our new dream is not registered and Dragonrider's ability also did not have any changes
Will be updated asap my boy. Assure you :p
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Dyeus on Feb 9, 2025 at 12:24 PM, finished with 26 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Tell him of your dream, of your dream to always be by his side, to be the brother he needed...
    [X] Tell him of your dreams, of a united kingdom under Egg's rule, of a united House Targaryen where family may love and laugh. You wished to aid your brother as his Hand, is that so terribly a thing to wish for? To wish for a kinder land?
    [x] Tell him of your plan, of your need to have Maegor steady the realm whilst he can prepare, to save it...
 
Turn 3: Stauts Quo - Part IV New
You had stood there, understandings passed through your shimmering violet eyes when he had waited. He always did, he waited for you.

He wished to know your thoughts and feelings, a brother that you would've wanted. It was a shame that you were not lesser, that you couldn't be what he wanted.

He would have preferred one brother that hadn't went behind his back. That tried to treat him as if he hadn't understood intracies or even worse, himself.

You knew that he cared, so much, but he cared selfishly. It was one thing that you both understood, one where you each had your flaws and strengths, you would need to play to each of yours.

You had quickly taken a breath, you would need to steady yourself.

Emotions would not be the death of your brotherhood here, you would need them and him, as he would need you and your skill with people.

Two sides of the same coin, you were a loyal brother, even if he hadn't understood that, yet.

"I would like an answer." He hissed impatiently, his eyes glaring at you when you had given him a smile that was amused, carefully so that it was twitchy with nerves.

"You might not like the words you hear." You easily sung back to him, your shoulders shrugging as his eyes slowly blinked, he closed them for a time.

Much like you he needed to count to himself to keep his cool, to understand himself.

Perhaps that is why Rhaena had come before Aegon, perhaps she knew he would still be angry and you would need your rest. Well, you might give her too much credit but you thank her thoughtfully with your eyes running along Aegon's face, tracing every twitch and breath that he willed to keep himself calm.

"It is not the way we have done things, but your words mean the world to me. I would prefer, greatly so, to hear them from you, Viserys." He carefullly uttered, his words smooth but held an edge for you to tell him the truth and you decided you would.

He had only deserved that much, hadn't he?

"Hm." You hum and step forward, your arms guided behind your back as you tilted your head thoughtfully to the side, your moments hardly measured but the truth uttered within seconds that you hardly note his face or the depth of emotions that play out like a mummer's performance with unpracticed worry.

"I worry about you, Egg. So much. It makes me worry about how you would handle enemies, and those who would act against you. I do not think you would be prepared for the execution of such matters. I didn't wish for you to find out this way but it is where we are, brother. So I have to say it, I care for the people and what they tell me, what they have spoken to me about is something that would leave you woefully unprepared."

Your words spilt with hardness, your voice an edge from anger, but not towards your brother, never towards him.

You loved Egg, you cherished him, and needed him more than thoughts and words could describe.

"Lannister and Hightower would have fought against you, Aegon. So I needed someone who was here, who could place them back into their seats and behave. That was Maegor, he is the weapon I would rather wield than face. He should be like that for you as well, because I have given you what you needed, Aegon. I have given you what you needed. Not wanted, and by gods not what you deserved, and I apologize for that but what was needed to prepare you."

Your words were harsh as you focused on Aegon as you saw how his face cracked but his fingers twitched, his eyes glistened as he turnt away from you. He took deep breaths as he his shoulders wracked, you did not need to see this but it was humbling when you saw how fragile and easily riled your brother was.

He hadn't said anything for a long time then, his breaths steadied him and you watched him as he kept his back to you. He had only managed to keep himself calm for that moment.

"And what is that? Who will follow me now, brother? What if by some miracle, the sword you would wield decides to have a child and then what happens? I am to wage a war against my own blood? Have you thought this through? Have you thought about the long term effects of what this is? How does this help me and why can't I get what I want? Hm? I am not a child for you to make choices for me! I would prefer for you to make choices with me."

He hissed once more. Though you try to consider it a lesser reaction, to hope it was just his emotions and yet you could tell something was shifting between you both.

You had looked down at the field. Where your dragon had rested, its snout even keeping itself to your feet as it felt your calm. Reacting in kind as you enjoyed the relatively stress free spaces of moments that kept you from feeling like you had messed up.

Deep down, you knew you had done what was best for him, what would guarantee your brother his throne.

"I have, brother. In every way, I have. Do you know why? Let Maegor take it all, handle every threat and worry, do you know what you will do, brother?" Your voice was that of a storyteller's, your eyes narrowed and you felt a thrill at the searing pride in your chest.

Your plan would be perfect.

"You are the perfect prince, brother. The handsome, martially inclined, and gifted swordsman. You who will hear the pleas of the people and consider the plights of the ladies who feel threatened by the likes of their husbands and brothers. Brother, you have your beginning right here. I am by your side, Rhaena is at your side, why? Because we love you, tell me, do you know what they say of us?" You did not need to do anything else.

But you had, this time like a slithering snake you had circled yourself around him. You had leaned forward, arms folded over your chest and your smirk was beautiful. Yet it was Aegon, he smiled at you, his trust in you was there and you fucking loved it.

You had only felt this well when you had claimed yourself Tessarion, your brilliant brother.

"What hm? What do they say?" His lips moved but you had focused on his eyes.

You did not need to see anything else.

"The three heads of the dragon. The charmer, the Lady, and the Dragon. Aegon the Dragon, reborn, some would say. I did this, for you. While you may doubt my intentions, and consider my ways a betrayal. A good advisor, no, gods no. A good hand has to make decisions that others would consider detrimental. A good leader must know one to rely on himself and when to rely on his support. That's what I am, and all I ever want to be."

You had said it outright as he stared at you with a red flush to his cheeks. His eyes widened as he looked at you, his eyes welling with emotion again as he looked a little choked up.

"I hadn't known, I wouldn't have cared if I were honest, but why Maegor? Why couldn't we have done it this way? The way we should have? What caused you to act like this?"

He was still curious but you wee glad he was calmer. He considered you now as you sat idle in the dragonpit as he stood there, watching you.

"There was a plan, to marry you off. To Rhaena." You had looked at him squarely when you wondered about how they made you feel, them leaving you to start a life of their own.

You should have been happy but there was just something off about it as you cleared your throat, enough of that.

"And should I assume you stopped it?" You heard it then, how his voice was both amused and glad for it.

"For now. I think with my coming nameday that he will have a plan of some sort and our cousins in the Velyarons or perhaps he will go further afar. Essos is easily considerable as is our further ashore valyrians in House Celtigar. One day someone will offer a dowry big enough or an alliance easy enough to have one or both of my siblings, and it will be a day I welcome."

You smile at that as you looked at him clearly, the way his arms idled at his sides when you had simply looked up at him.

There was a difference now.

"Then what am I to do in the mean time? If Maegor is to be the scapegoat, what should I have in mind for myself?" You watch as he turned himself away, kicking his feet into the dirt as you wondered about that too.

It would need to be something clear and wild enough for your brother's blood. He would not count coppers and if you were honest, neither would you but you stared at him again as he just waited for a word.

"What?" You blankly asked, your lips quivering up into a smile as he crouched down to your level.

His hand on your shoulder and his eyes far softer than before but even you saw there was worry. He looked for hints of something, of deceit. You misliked it, but even now you knew some sort of trust would need to be built back to where it should have always been.

"Well. Seeing as you wish to be a hand, brother, why shouldn't we make the most of it?" He teases with a soft lilt to his voice as he leaned himself forward. He bumped heads with you and rested there a moment, intensity burning in similar eyes to your own as you smirked with pride to yourself.

"Me and you? Where? Haven't you hear of what I just said? The realm? You would consider travelling now? Have you gone mad?" Your voice had already gone several octaves higher as he simply smiled, a wilder side to himself than you recalled but your brother's blood had always called for battle, to prove himself before those that would doubt him and his family.

It was one of the few things that made it easy to love him. To consider him the realm's best hope for something. It would not be Maegor, and even your uncle understood that it was only tempoarary.

"Of course not, but why shouldn't we? Consider it. Me, you, and Rhaena travelling. Singing, sword, and sonnets with ladies and lords. It could be a belated gift as well, I have not gotten you anything, yet, and as I know you would not pick up a sword." He laughs as he presses his head against yours, but he is not wrong neither...

Depending on what happens, it could be good for you. To make friends, and perhaps even then, see the rest of the realm. You have not seen it....

And if you had, the memory of it fades with these times growing uncertain as it is...

Aegon Targaryen Relation Change: Loved, but Wary...

[] Travel the realm with your brother and sister next year. It would take time to arrange, but the possibilities are endless.
[] Do not travel the realm, your father's health worries you still, and you wish to remain by his side. There is a time for travel, but not right now.
 
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