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[X] Build Plan (Kenzou): Become a Fucking Chunin
Gale Edge 25->30 (140)
Ath 39->40 (40)
Alt 34->39 (185)
He has 10 XP left. Save it for a FP.

[X] Build Plan (Shion): Become a Fucking Chunin
Alt 33->39 (219)
Surging Seas 23->32 (126)
Water Whip 39->40 (40)
Cresting Wave 0->1 (0.5)
She has 10 XP left. Save it for a FP.
For these two plans, I think we might want to skip a level of Alt and save for FP buys in case we run into another jounin.
 
[X] Action Plan: Lemmings to the Slaughter

Kinda tired of hiding in the woods and watching from a distance while institutions implode. Either Hanzo the Salamander behaves in a manner that's worthy of loyalty, or it's over with quick.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Sir Stompy on Feb 5, 2025 at 8:43 AM, finished with 105 posts and 13 votes.


A contentious vote for once!
 
Kinda tired of hiding in the woods and watching from a distance while institutions implode. Either Hanzo the Salamander behaves in a manner that's worthy of loyalty, or it's over with quick
Arguably, orchestrating the murder of hundreds of defenseless civvies under his protection for nothing has already demonstrated that he's worthy of nothing better than any potential action he could take regarding our PCs ever could.

Where is his loyalty? The greater good? He doesn't know it or himself well enough to know he doesn't know it.
 
[X] Action Plan: Lemmings to the Slaughter

I don't want to be missing-nin just yet. I'm aware that this might get us killed — it's the riskier option but much more interesting for me if we do live.
 
Arguably, orchestrating the murder of hundreds of defenseless civvies under his protection for nothing has already demonstrated that he's worthy of nothing better than any potential action he could take regarding our PCs ever could.

Where is his loyalty? The greater good? He doesn't know it or himself well enough to know he doesn't know it.
His stated goal with that plan was to use the evidence of Rock's aggression to build an alliance, which could plausibly be to Rain Country's long-term benefit. That didn't work out. Morally speaking I think that's worse than if he'd gotten an equivalent number of people killed by negligently screwing up some routine administrative or logistical task, but not as bad as if they'd been e.g. targeted specifically out of some petty personal grudge without strategic rationale.

Certainly he's no saint. The "worthy of loyalty" question I'm concerned with isn't exactly about morality in such a broad sense, though. Now that things aren't going perfectly according to plan, and this level 8 secret just dropped in the lap of a genin team, is he going to be reasonable about the 'through no fault of their own' part? Or is he going to break the social contract to a point where they (briefly yet permanently) regret cooperating with him?
 
His stated goal with that plan was to use the evidence of Rock's aggression to build an alliance, which could plausibly be to Rain Country's long-term benefit. That didn't work out. Morally speaking I think that's worse than if he'd gotten an equivalent number of people killed by negligently screwing up some routine administrative or logistical task, but not as bad as if they'd been e.g. targeted specifically out of some petty personal grudge without strategic rationale.

Certainly he's no saint. The "worthy of loyalty" question I'm concerned with isn't exactly about morality in such a broad sense, though. Now that things aren't going perfectly according to plan, and this level 8 secret just dropped in the lap of a genin team, is he going to be reasonable about the 'through no fault of their own' part? Or is he going to break the social contract to a point where they (briefly yet permanently) regret cooperating with him?
He has already broken the social contract by intentionally murdering 1000+ of his own civvies for a nebulous dream of conquest. I cannot fathom why he would suddenly change course and become an upstanding gentleman.

"No fault of their own" is irrelevant and pointless to even mention. This is about his judgment of utility to Rain.

We know that his judgment isn't exactly flawless, and we deadass do not have much to offer. 3 clanless peak genin? No bloodlines or special skills of note, no powerful patron.
 
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For these two plans, I think we might want to skip a level of Alt and save for FP buys in case we run into another jounin.
After some thought this sounds good- probably not jonin as discussed earlier but other threats exist and FP are worth more than 1 point of Alt, especially with our current Consequences. I've edited my plans accordingly. If anyone who voted for my plans disagrees strongly enough, let me know why and I'll think about it.

I'm also going to edit things further- buying up Substitution some on Shion and Momoka, and deprioritizing Water Journeyman on Shion since Paper Element isn't an option and that makes it more of an investment needed.
 
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would we be expected to report back to Rain after the Mediums heal if we planned on staying loyal? Or can we take more time and let the Severe heal first?
This doesn't mesh 1:1 mechanically but probably you would be expected to return once she is 'fit for travel'.

Also for the missing-nin fork, is the chance of anyone tracking us to Kenzou's village before Momoka heals decent? Is it kinda normal for ninja to hole up in a civvie village for a month or two to heal?
Slightly OOC: you are unlikely to be discovered there due to the war sucking up manpower, the slow travel of information, being at the edge of the country, the sheer size of the searchable area (Rain is something like 400 miles across, imagine trying to search that by hand with only a handful of hunters), the fact that Haru's team was not given explicit orders to be in a certain location, etc. The bias against civvies helps you here since no one has bothered to track the details of which civvie lives in which random hamlet, or much info about Kenzou's civilian relatives in general.
 
it seems real unlikely to me that we will get not get super screwed for reporting back (likely including execution) so here we go again

[X] Action Plan: Marked for Death

the cycle. pure. infertile.
 
[X] Build Plan (Momoka): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Kenzou): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Shion): Become a Fucking Chunin
 
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@Shrooms Does Kenzo know of any smithing techniques that use chakra beast parts? (e.g. using Steelback quills in the process to make the metal stronger)
Such techniques probably exist based on hearsay, but none specific are known to Kenzou (nor to his father or uncle as far as he knows.)

[Mechanically, you may need more than just smithing knowledge to utilize more Esoteric components, e.g. studying them with Med skills, Knowledge: Esoterica, etc.
Maybe just repeatedly attempting stuff could bear fruit too if it doesn't accidentally kill you.]
 
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I've edited my build plans to account for Momoka and Shion needing Substitution. Unfortunately this has slowed Momoka's progress a bit but Substitution is worth it. Shion's no longer getting WW 40, which is genuinely tragic, but pushing up something to 30 is expensive. Surging Seas is no longer as appealing to level to 30 since it does what we want okay in the 20s, plus Cresting Wave is excellent with some overlap. She also needs Substitution, and the medical skills are likely to make a difference while we're all recovering from Consequences. Longer-term, the hope is to get paper ninjutsu from a mission and level Cresting Wave and Water Dragon Bullet to the 30s in preparation for Water Journeyman and the chunin triangle.

For more general build advice: Substitution is invaluable. It lets you spend a Supplemental action and 14 chakra to move 1 Zone and/or get +1/2 your Substitution level as a bonus to your Athletics roll to dodge an attack. It needs a suitable target to be within range, but in most environments various loose debris is readily available enough for this to not be a concern. You get two Supplementals per turn as a default and chakra is plentiful relative to a cost of 14. It's good enough to be considered universal, and how much chakra a ninja needs is considered to be about 3 rounds of their primary combat tactic, plus chakra boosting and 2 substitutions per round as a baseline with some variance depending on preferred tactic. In theory, you can push it as high as you like, but the way the math and the rounding works means that it's generally XP-optimal to keep your Substitution at around half your Athletics level (minus a bit of rounding) for survival's sake.
 
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[X] Build Plan (Shion): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Momoka): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Kenzou): Become a Fucking Chunin
 
[X] Action Plan: Lemmings to the Slaughter
I don't think becoming missin-nin as a trio of injured genin is an approach with high life expectation.
 
[X] Build Plan (Shion): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Momoka): Become a Fucking Chunin
[X] Build Plan (Kenzou): Become a Fucking Chunin

Looks good! ^.^

Since we're missing nin, I want to get Stealth up to a meaningful amount (~30) for everyone, that way we can't be too easily tracked. But I can wait until the next allocation of XP to start working on that.
 
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