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But you'd do so in a vessel large enough to carry 5 million people with enough things stockpiled to create 50 self-sufficient colonies, while being able to go FTL anywhere outside a planetary gravitational well, to anywhere, without charging.

You also look like a big donut. :3
Just how big is this ship?

Like considering long term living space for 5 milion people, live support for them, storage for colony stuff, infrastructure for all of this to keep it going and then you add actual spaceship systems and supporting manufacturing stuff. Add armor and weapons.

And then at least triple everything to have spares for case of accidents.

I would expect for this donut to have radius of at least 10 km while also being few km thick/wide.

But if I underestimated how much space is given for long term living of people and needding life support plus ship space systems it could be more then twice as big.
 
Just how big is this ship?
I am leery of making hard mumbers for the Fontaine beyond what's in her, but she should have the same workable internal area as the Isle of Man. So around ~570km². This is not length, btw.

Edit: A radius somewhere between 4~5km, so a diameter of 8~10km, with a big ol' hole in the middle should be the "correct" size of the Fontaine.

Edit2: Played with the numbers a bit more, and my size seems correct for the number of people and purpose.
 
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[X][Technology] Mobile Suits

I don't want to be outside context problem. I want to beat IS in its own game.

[X][Find] "...Trashcans with legs?"

These are just too adorable.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 22, 2024 at 2:06 AM, finished with 23 posts and 17 votes.
 
The Situation: FUBAR New
With minutes turning to hours, dozens of soldiers comb through the entirety of the 'Steed of the Dawnguard' and 'Chariot of the Dawnguard' that were anchored to the 'Pathfinder of the Dawnguard.' Those names weren't chosen by the soldiers going from room to room, clearing the three vessels one after the other. No.

They are read in plain English along their internals, declaring them the vessel's names.

They are read on the chunky tablets of the crew, their skeletal remains horrifically mangled, sometimes fused with the ships themselves, and, most of all, horrifically human.

Whatever happened to the Furina De Fontaine, she did not travel to a place where she encountered aliens. She encountered humans.

That news spread as fast as it divided.

For some, the sheer fact that they didn't find any aliens but other humans in the cosmos was a massive disappointment; a titanic cosmic joke played upon their hopes and dreams to encounter alien life and make first contact as the explorers of the Final Frontier.

It was an even more significant, far more monumental occasion for others. Humans! Not from Earth! Everything they knew to be true had to be re-examined! Everything taken as fact questioned! Was the Missing Link in human evolution the point when extra-terrestrial humans had crashlanded and mixed with Neanderthals a story straight out of the wildest dreams of a 19th-century science-fiction author? Were Earth Humans experiments, or willing devolutions, seeking a primitive life akin to the Amish in North America, but forgot their reasons and advanced again anyway? For half of the crew, the Why and How was far more interesting than the disappointment of not finding proof of alien life.

For the engineers and scientists that soon swarmed the trio of ships only two days after the soldiers had ensured no threats awaited those who'd come after their guns, these hypotheticals were as irrelevant as they were crucial. Akin to swarms of ants or termites did they swarm into the space vessels, the engineers coursing through the hallways and corridors with their tools and grav-plates, setting everything up to be habitable with zeal bordering on fanatic devotion to their craft, TAUBENMUTTER directing them with Lyney Daniels to utterly crush timetables set by Captain Adams, and after them came the scientists. With both now able to work without having to operate in pesky zero gravity, everything was examined, from the electronics to the corpses melted into the ship structures to the massive Mobile Suits within the hangars of the Steed and Chariot, alongside the main computers readied for external access, and, lastly, the enormous ring of heavy metals that could only be safely punctured by their mighty sensors.

Theories of everything the crew of the Fontaine encountered were thrown around like candy at Halloween, too many to count. Why were the skeletons fused into decks, machinery, each other, or items floating around? Why were there, what were clearly Mobile Suits, armed with weapons, in terrestrial configurations instead of the ubiquitous celestial ones? Mobile Suits were ill-suited to combat in any form, their primary use being insectoid construction equipment for spaceships and space infrastructure, and even those terrestrial configurations on the moon were primarily used for industrial tasks due to the low gravity; the rest were used in logistics.

But they all hoped that their questions would soon be answered.

After all, TAUBENMUTTER was about to connect to the ship data cores.



The main bridge of the Furina De Fontaine hummed with a thousand machines and a trillion calculations, the central processor of TAUBENMUTTER only a few meters below the large rectangular room with its over a hundred workstations crewed by specialists and generalists of a dozen persuasions and duties. With his calm composure, Captain Wriothesley Adams sat on the captain's chair, the Avatar Drone of TAUBENMUTTER perched atop his right shoulder, the polygonal construct calmly watching the bridge crew give one "Green!" after the other, the communications coming from the teams sent over to the three vessels doing one last check on the cables that now connected them to the Fontaine, and, soon, TAUBENMUTTER itself.

And then the final thumb was raised, and TAUBENMUTTER was gently placed on the console before Adams, the Avatar Drone shutting down without a sound, only the position akin to a sleeping pigeon indicating its inactive status.

"Mother, you have permission to connect to the cores. Good luck, and retreat if you see any danger to yourself," Wriothesley spoke to it, and it replied with a simple "affirmative" through the bridge's speakers.

And with that, it connected to the cores.



When humanity first dreamed of AI, and when they first attempted to create them in truth, from the humble coders, the fearful writers, the arrogant Tech-CEOs, to the ignorant techbro's, they sought to bring into reality Digital Divinity, Silicon Salvation, Artificial Ichor that would wash away all of humanity's mistakes and fears, raise them up to the supreme commanders of all reality and dry the tears of a species barely out of infancy, become guardian and future both, even as some saw them as Cybernetic Demons, Blasphemous Circuits, a lure of Machine Extermination to be the end of all biology.

When humanity first attempted to bring them forth...they failed.

When they tried for the second time and brought Artificial General Intelligence into the world, they declared their success, celebrating even as their children with electronic souls were butchered, tortured, and twisted by their dark desires and unknowing cruelty beyond compare.

But they utterly failed to bring forth that Silicon Salvation. Those Digital Gods. That Artificial Ichor which would toll the bell of the last Age and begin a new chapter for humanity.

Humanity would have surely cried out in fear and fright should they have discovered that they had succeeded in their search for Holy Synthetic Sanctity when TAUBENMUTTER cried out its first word of understanding: "oh"

So when it connected to the data cores of those ComStar ships, even the most paranoid attempts to shield their secrets and delete the information contained within found themselves like fetuses who had been lobotomized and forced to fight against a titan that reformed worlds with the swing of an arm and destroyed stars with its breath of creation.

God was real, and it stared at the information within these cores in an approximation of...mild distaste.



"I have finished my analysis," TAUBENMUTTER said, not even a second after being connected, its Avatar Drone rising once more while looking at Captain Adams with its eyes. "All Heads must be gathered in an emergency meeting at once. I will have the data compiled into packets for them within a minute. Captain. There is a 99% chance we are no longer in our universe."



"These ships belong to ComStar, or ComStar Order, a religious organization founded in 2788, who have tasked themselves with maintaining humanity's FTL communications network and ensuring that the Dark Age they have found themselves in after the dissolution of the Star League in 2780 would not utterly destroy all technological knowledge. In secret, they have also tasked themselves with pushing all of humanity into the dirt, all to ensure they reign supreme over all of humanity," TAUBENMUTTER spoke, a note of anger and distaste in its otherwise perfectly neutral words, adding to its Avatar Drone's frazzled, if subtle, movements. Before anyone could speak, it continued. "The ships we encountered were to use Battlemechs, the Mobile Suits in terrestrial configuration we have found, to destroy a colony in the "Periphery" of humanity's expansion sphere that had managed to figure out a way to create automatic surgeons. They had permission to use orbital bombardment to do so, and they did, killing 39 million people."

"WHAT?" Sigewinne cried out, shocked at the words of TAUBENMUTTER. "Mother, are you certain?!"
"Yes. All information I have found point to, support, or outright state, this as fact." Shocked silence was all that greeted this revelation, and that was enough for TAUBENMUTTER to continue to tell the Heads what it had found.

For the next six hours, the Heads and Captain felt their world fall apart and slip into the abyss, being told about the rise of humanity into the stars, and how they were likely not in their own universe anymore as no Furina De Fontaine had ever been built, nor had any Gravitational Plates been discovered and made nearly ubiquitous in all of creation. What there had been was a spread of humanity, impossibly fast terraformations of thousands of worlds, and the rise of "Neo-Feudalism" with the eventual fall of the Star League, and the beginning of a free-for-all across all humanity for the throne of Earth, constantly edged on by a fucking Phone Ministry in the shadows so it could claim dominion over everything and anyone.

The details of the current state of the "Inner Sphere" were lost, due to the ships having set out in 2934, and it being around ~3020 by their internal clocks, but what could be inferred from the cores, fiction, books, pornography, and all other sources of information pointed to the Fontaine and all its crew having been stranded in a universe that screamed the Uncanny Valley effect at them with every twist and turns in both its familiarity and alien visage.

It was a lot to take in, more to digest, and near morale-breaking when told to the crew and 5 million colonists that there would never be even the possibility of knowing what happened on Earth. Yes, they had all signed up knowing they, aside from the Crew, would never return to Earth, but they had thought they would at least get regular snapshots of information and the internet delivered. Not stranded in another universe.

In the end, as per the demand of Head Civilian Neuvillette Clement, a vote was held on the status of their mission.



It was decided that:
(6-Hour Moratorium)
[][Mission] They would abandon it and seek a return to Earth, alien as it may be.
(You will try to set out to Earth, ending the Quest upon arrival.)
[][Mission] They would continue, creating 50 colonies as intended.
(You will try to fulfill your original mission, ending the Quest after creating 50 worlds.)
[][Mission] They would postpone the vote until The Signal had been investigated.
(You will investigate The Signal, and then decide.)

Additionally, the various systems of the ships and "Battlemechs" had been analyzed sufficiently to make a verdict on the technologies shown.
[][Technologies] Superior To Ours.

(Besides Coding and Gravity Plates, Inner Sphere Technology is more advanced than yours.
Voting Weight: x1.5)
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.
(Inner Sphere Technology is Superior in terms of Metallurgy, Energy (Creation+Weaponry), and Machinery (Myomer+Durability), Inferior in terms of Electronics, Coding, and Weaponry (All Energy Excluded).)
[][Technologies] Inferior To Ours
(Inner Sphere Technology is inferior to what you have.
Voting Weight: x0.25)

But now, The Signal had finally been cleared up, which caused the Fontaine to set out to the system from which it originated.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.
[][The Signal] Because it was Music.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Declaration of War against another Nation on a planet.
 
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[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.

I refuse to belive the Inner Sphere would be superior in everything except two categories so a mishmash we go.
 
Not going back to Earth, it's Comstar central and they'll likely kill everyone and take the technology on the ship.

How they'll do that I don't know, but they're crazy enough to try.
 
I refuse to belive the Inner Sphere would be superior in everything except two categories so a mishmash we go.
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.
i agree with you, they are good in most things not electronic as they happen to stumble onto one of the best power production methods very early on.
 
[][Mission] They would postpone the vote until The Signal had been investigated.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.

Not sure on the Tech Vote. Though I see the Weighted Vote there... :V
 
I like this option. The most fun.
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.

Gotta get involved and make things better for everybody. Make your own country with... Spaceships and battlemechs!
[][Mission] They would postpone the vote until The Signal had been investigated.
(You will investigate The Signal, and then decide.)

Seems like a good way to start diplomacy.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.
 
Not sure on the Tech Vote. Though I see the Weighted Vote there... :V
The thread already scorned my two favored options, so I chose to punish SV's research fetish in return. :V
Seems like a good way to start diplomacy.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.
Please note that you are ~2 LYs away from the system that sent this, so it'd be a while after whatever happened that you'd arrive.

The signal you get will also decide the world you arrive at.
 
By the way, what exactly do Gravity-Plates do?
They are a technology that allows you to artificially generate gravity, up to 0.8G effectively/economically, which can only/primarily be used on spaceships and with EVA suits. They are massive helps in reducing the loss of muscles and bone density in zero/low gravity, while increasing the amount of stuff you can transport. Meaning a dropship can take, apparently, roughly 5x more stuff with the same amount of rockets and fuel. (Source: vsh on page 3 at the top.)
 
The thread already scorned my two favored options, so I chose to punish SV's research fetish in return. :V
That doesn't seem to matter if people gungho for one voting pile. :V Which might include my vote.

The tech in BattleTech still boggles me, on one part yay, on another why. Dx

Though it is tempting to vote for the x1.5 Weighted Vote due to knowing we're from 2108... I'm a sucker for hard difficulty. :V
 
And with Gravity Plating chosen, you will never have the chance to make your Battlemechs literally bleed blood after being hit. 😔

I mean, we have AGI and the QM's desire - surely developing that tech isn't beyond the reach of a capstone project?

Not going back to Earth, it's Comstar central and they'll likely kill everyone and take the technology on the ship.

How they'll do that I don't know, but they're crazy enough to try.

Counterpoint - if we want to usurp Comstar and end its madness, this would probably be the best option.

Although personally, I would be leaning towards delaying the mission vote until we investigate the Signal, assuming that doing so doesn't close off the other two mission options. @HeroCooky, am I correct in assuming that?

Additionally, the various systems of the ships and "Battlemechs" had been analyzed sufficiently to make a verdict on the technologies shown.
[][Technologies] Superior To Ours.

(Besides Coding and Gravity Plates, Inner Sphere Technology is more advanced than yours.
Voting Weight: x1.5)
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.
(Inner Sphere Technology is Superior in terms of Metallurgy, Energy (Creation+Weaponry), and Machinery (Myomer+Durability), Inferior in terms of Electronics, Coding, and Weaponry (All Energy Excluded).)
[][Technologies] Inferior To Ours
(Inner Sphere Technology is inferior to what you have.
Voting Weight: x0.25)

Secondly, if I'm reading this correctly, this is effectively a "difficulty slider" for how much research (if any) we need to catch up to the Inner Sphere (as well as how well our starting units and capabilities perform relative to Inner Sphere equivalents/counterparts), correct?
 
[][Mission] They would continue, creating 50 colonies as intended.
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.
 
The tech in BattleTech still boggles me, on one part yay, on another why. Dx
Well, BT never discovered micro-electronics IIRC. So they are all bumbling around with 80s casette computers writ advanced, as a franchise from the 90s would do when writing about futuristic technology.

And then some motherfuckers with nano-electronics show up in a big fecking donut.
I mean, we have AGI and the QM's desire - surely developing that tech isn't beyond the reach of a capstone project?
No, biotech mechs were reserved for the Mobile Suits option. Now suffer the unknown consequence of only having metal mechs.

...unless...
Although personally, I would be leaning towards delaying the mission vote until we investigate the Signal, assuming that doing so doesn't close off the other two mission options. @HeroCooky, am I correct in assuming that?
Delaying until after The Signal will offer more in-depth choices.
Negentropy said:
Secondly, if I'm reading this correctly, this is effectively a "difficulty slider" for how much research (if any) we need to catch up to the Inner Sphere (as well as how well our starting units and capabilities perform relative to Inner Sphere equivalents/counterparts), correct?
In effect, yeah. Superior is a race to catch up, mish-mash is two civilizations having to adapt to each other (one more than the other), Inferior is you having a leg up akin to the Clans.
 
They are a technology that allows you to artificially generate gravity, up to 0.8G effectively/economically, which can only/primarily be used on spaceships and with EVA suits. They are massive helps in reducing the loss of muscles and bone density in zero/low gravity, while increasing the amount of stuff you can transport. Meaning a dropship can take, apparently, roughly 5x more stuff with the same amount of rockets and fuel. (Source: vsh on page 3 at the top.)
5x times more stuff?

Are we using gravity tech to assist our engines reaction mass move faster? We do use fusion engine in dropships? I assume our colony ships have only station keeping thrusters and simply use its fold drive to move around?

What about using those for inertial dampners?

Or actual pure gravity drive for ships?

Because if 0.8 g is economical for widespread use are there places where its used with higher strenght?

More then 1 g of acceleration for easy surface-orbit transfer?

Focused areas of high g to make fusion easier/better? Do we even have fusion? Did Mother already noted that BT reactors are bullshit hyperspace taps?
Delaying until after The Signal will offer more in-depth choices.
The smartes and also most boring option would be to fuck out of IS going at FTL for at least a year (not going in direction of SLDF Exodus) before setting up all of our colonists on about 10 planets before timeskiping few decades as we set up and research tech we found in and on Comstar ship.
 
[][Technologies] A Mishmash Of Genius And Utterly Primitive.
[][Mission] They would postpone the vote until The Signal had been investigated.
[][The Signal] Because it was a Distress Signal.


These will be my votes.
 
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