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My understanding of the nuances of Mnemon's character and capacity to make decisions comes from her 2e comic appearances and her... strategic decisions in the Return of the Scarlet Empress book. Hopefully she's better at what she does in this edition, because she was a disappointment then.
 
Honestly, I don't think Memnon's offer should be discounted.
It seems like the best offer we could realistically hope for from anyone, tbh. As close to absolute safety as we can expect, good connection to the Immaculate Order to protect her father, the resources and wealth of a powerful Great House backing a daughter of the Matriarch and of course the implicit promise of sorcerous tutelage and the Matriarch herself being a sorcerer and thus far more understanding and less judgemental than most other Dynasts. And of course, Mnemon's the strongest contender for the throne overall. What more are people expecting out of an alliance offer, considering Ambraea's position? I assume we're about to hear V'neef's pitch, but I'll be very surprised if she can top Mnemon's.
 
Would the Iselsi ever be willing to back a particular candidate if said candidate were willing to reinstate them as a Great House if they were to claim the throne? They would have to of course give up the Vendetta against the Houses backing the candidate.
 
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I'm very curious how L'neef is going to outdo the local Tin Tyrant.
Probably by promising Ascension and possibly by not making her relinquish a claim to the throne. It's hard to say for sure however. V'neef does things a bit differently from most matriarchs, and is a more political animal than Mnemon. Also, for all the consideration Mnemon has paid to Ambraea here, V'neef has invested in winning her over longer, harder and knows her better as a result.
Also - after all the speculation, the venue probably changed who'se counteroffer we get first. Or maybe it would always be V'Neef. Now what do the various places to meet L'nessa mean?
Yes. V'neef would always be first because her daughter is a sorceress with a spell for contacting people while Kasi has servants at best, and because V'neef has actual designs on the throne that make presenting a quick counter offer important, while Sesus Raenyah doesn't intend to sit the thrown and doesn't lose too much of Ambraea is adopted into either great house. At the end of the day, Sasus can still Marry a young man to Mnemon Ambraea or V'neef Ambraea. Of the main contenders, their position and matriarch is the most flexible.
Honestly, I don't think Memnon's offer should be discounted. The offer of adoption is frankly really hard to beat we'll immediately gain the support and resources we need to protect those we care about not to mention those we need to allow further studies and development. Also based on my understanding of Memnon's character she's actually a pretty good Matriarch. She won't just randomly decide to stab us in the back, she'll reward good service and she will absolutely defend us from any external enemies we might have. If we ever wanted to extract Maia from her family for example Memnon would be one of the very few people who could offer us enough protection to survive their retaliation.
It's a decent offer, but it's the standard Mnemon join my house offer. The one Rulinsei got when she showed up maimed, without other options, with little of Ambraea's accomplishments or proven sorcerous talent from graduating the Heptogram and slaying two Anathema.

It locks Ambraea out of certain paths of advancement within the realm in return for the resources and protection of herself and her father and some sorcerous guiding from Mnemon. Her Hearthmates would be her responsibility rather than Mnemon's. It 's not an offer to dismiss, but it's very much an exchange of Ambraea's opportunities and potentially future status for security and resources, one that reflects Mnemon's lack of flexibility rather than Ambraea's situation, accomplishments, and potential.

I'm fairly certain none of the three matriarch's would needlessly betray a Dragon Blood of Ambraea's Bloodline, Abilities, and positive relationships with various members of their houses for no good reason. Ambraea is safe with either V'neef or Sesus just by virtue of the lack of cause or inclination to betray them and lack of value in betraying Ambraea on their part.

I think Maia wouldn't be necessarily welcome to the idea of being extracted from her family, particularly since doing so would almost certain necessitate outing them to Mnemon and provoke her to enacting a second culling. Mnemon has no use for Iselsi, and no tolerance for a house so set against the realms great houses in vengeance. For all three difficulties, Maia would not be thankful to Ambraea for such an outcome.

On a larger scale Memnon is not wrong, without an Empress the realm will get significantly worse for the average citizen and eventually collapse. If the Realm collapses or even if no one regains control of the Realm Defence Grid then there's a very real chance of Creation coming apart at the seams. Memnon is one of the very few people who has the knowledge, skills and connections to have even half a chance of holding the whole thing together.
I have to believe Gazetteer has balanced things out to ensure that V'neef has acquired the loyalty and talents of someone capable of using it in her stead since otherwise this argument would leave her a far lesser contender. Mnemon is certainly one of the few, but their are options and Ambraea has strong ties to both 2nd and 3rd place contenders by word of heirs of the shogunate.

Ultimately we should keep our minds open on all three of these matriarchs and their houses and be cautious and measure them fairly. Follow Nazat's advice basically.
 
Mnemon: kids these days don't know how good they have it. Back in my day we had to walk to the Versino uphill both ways during an assassination attempt!
 
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My understanding of the nuances of Mnemon's character and capacity to make decisions comes from her 2e comic appearances and her... strategic decisions in the Return of the Scarlet Empress book. Hopefully she's better at what she does in this edition, because she was a disappointment then.
She's reliable but rigid is my take. My earlier posts cover it with more nuance, but she's very obviously has a way which she does things, whether it's courting a sister to join her house, punishing behavior she finds unsavory, or a variety of other situations. She's not going to adapt well if something out of left field takes her off guard.
It seems like the best offer we could realistically hope for from anyone, tbh. As close to absolute safety as we can expect, good connection to the Immaculate Order to protect her father, the resources and wealth of a powerful Great House backing a daughter of the Matriarch and of course the implicit promise of sorcerous tutelage and the Matriarch herself being a sorcerer and thus far more understanding and less judgemental than most other Dynasts. And of course, Mnemon's the strongest contender for the throne overall. What more are people expecting out of an alliance offer, considering Ambraea's position? I assume we're about to hear V'neef's pitch, but I'll be very surprised if she can top Mnemon's.
It's not. It's a good offer but it's Ambraea closing off certain paths for pure security of herself and her father with the resources and status a house would offer any adopted corceress member with her accomplishments and potential.

It's an offer Mnemon has made time and again which reflects that rather than any political realities or potential other options Ambraea has because for most of Mnemon's life she's been making similar offers to people with typically far less in terms of alternatives during a time when the realm was harsher.

In the end we should keep our minds open. We haven't even met the other three dynasts yet. Mnemon's offer certainly looks good while it's the only one on the table but a less set in their ways matriarch might make an offer more to Ambraea's or our tastes. In particular this is the offer from the house we have no ties to. It's worth at least considering the ones from houses we've been courting and been courted by in turn.
Would the Iselsi ever be willing to back a particular candidate if said candidate were willing to reinstate them as a Great House if they were to claim the throne? They would have to of course give up the Vendetta against the Houses backing the candidate.
My personal take is that Iselsi is far more interested in bleeding the dynasts as heavily as possible to slate their long nurtured grudge than particularly interested in who ultimately ends up on the throne. They hate Sesus especially, Mnemon would never tolerate them, and V'neef is a political creature who they'll neither respect and who wouldn't want to tarnish her reputation by associating with a house of traitor outcasts hiding under the realms nose. Unless things go strongly sideways I wouldn't expect them to end up attached to contender for the throne anytime soon.
 
[X] The Hall of Triumphal Glory

My understanding of the nuances of Mnemon's character and capacity to make decisions comes from her 2e comic appearances and her... strategic decisions in the Return of the Scarlet Empress book. Hopefully she's better at what she does in this edition, because she was a disappointment then.

2e in general and RotSE in particular were just... shockingly bad on every level when it came to the Dragonblooded, and I encourage anyone who likes them or this quest to check out the 3e versions without reservation because they are so much better.

It would take a long time to go into all the various ways in which they differ but I think probably the single greatest example is that according to 2e there were precisely two real claimants for the Throne. One was Mnemon, who is evil and scheming and will only win through trickery or occult power, and the other is Tepet Ejava, who will win by being heroic and inspiring and morally virtuous.
 
You know, it occurs to me that we had foreshadowing about how Singular Grace is going to hurt Ambraea as badly as Ambraea hurt her at some point, if just as unintentionally. Methinks that Lohna's extraction is going to end up causing some drama...
 
You know, it occurs to me that we had foreshadowing about how Singular Grace is going to hurt Ambraea as badly as Ambraea hurt her at some point, if just as unintentionally. Methinks that Lohna's extraction is going to end up causing some drama...
Lohna has no daughter, has served no lady save the empress, has no dynast with an inclination to pilfer her from the imperial palace to who knows where besides Ambraea so far as the realm knows. It's going to make her look very sentimental and rash. She already has an incident of such rash sentiment with Maia and this would only worsen her reputation when it came to such matters.
 
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Tepet Ejava, who will win by being heroic and inspiring and morally virtuous.
Fun fact: Tepet Ejava was introduced in 1e in a chapter fiction in which she laments the practical and economic necessity of enslaving a tenth of a group of pirates her soldiers have just defeated. Not because she thinks slavery is bad, just because she wishes she could kill them all and thinks they're getting off easy. I believe in this same chapter fiction she's having the prisoners dig their own grave?
 
A friend of mine described exalted from 1e to 2e going on a common thematic journey from overwhelming cynicism to "what if underneath the cynicism there were Saturday morning cartoon good guys and bad guys all along," which they've seen happen in long running LARPs a dozen times. Can't say they're wrong.

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Love me some sad worn vestiges of empire.
 
My opinion in this is that we should go public for three reasons. The first is that it gives V'neef a chance to introduce us to some of her supporters, to make a point of who precisely has her back already. The second is that it tells everyone, including Mnemon, that V'neef, the 2nd most likely person to ascend the dragon throne, is also courting us. That's not going to sour things with Mnemon. She'll have expected it, but it may get whoever she has as allies in her case to make a better offer than V'neef.

Third is that we'll probably be having our meeting with Sesus in private, which isn't the best for the whole ambraea has a lot more options than people think angle. A big public meeting with V'neef will mean that even if our meeting with Sesus is in some isolated room far from prying eyes, people will still already be paying enough attention to Ambraea to know she is meeting with someone important anyway.
 
Lohna has no daughter, has served no lady save the empress, has no dynast with an inclination to pilfer her from the imperial palace to who knows where besides Ambraea so far as the realm knows. It's going to make her look very sentimental and rash. She already has an incident of such rash sentiment with Maia and this would only worsen her reputation when it came to such matters.
Also the emotional pain of Ambraea remebering the escape but not Lohna's destination. If she was in the palace Ambraea could at least be sure of her physical safety, but apparently she broke her out and then just? Abandoned her? To make her own way in the world? Alone?

Maybe it wont be that bad, maybe Lohna will write letters from heaven to let us know shes ok, but its not gonna be easy to believe without remebering Singular Grace

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Also the emotional pain of Ambraea remebering the escape but not Lohna's destination. If she was in the palace Ambraea could at least be sure of her physical safety, but apparently she broke her out and then just? Abandoned her? To make her own way in the world? Alone?

Maybe it wont be that bad, maybe Lohna will write letters from heaven to let us know shes ok, but its not gonna be easy to believe without remebering Singular Grace

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It's actually a fair bit worse than that. Ambraea will, at best, remember a strange figure she can't quite place who came to her and convinced her to help them take Lohna from the palace, and suspect her mind had been tampered with somehow and have no idea what that person intended for Lohna.
 
Dragons, Gazetteer, I love your take on Mnemon, this whole post was sooooooo masterful! I actually love that while V'neef grinds Ambraea's gears by the ways in which they are different and that she cannot reciprocrate (and thus feels upstaged), here Mnemon catches Ambraea by the ways they are similar: the rigidness, the stubborness, the construction of personal loyalty and sense of debt, the *imposition of grandeur*... even if their stories and circumstances are extremely different, you can clearly see the ways in which they are more similar and *those* are the points where friction happens, rather than where they differe.
What struck me the most is... the way Mnemon carries herself and plans as if she's naturally gonna be in charge... that's *exactly* the same criticism First Light levied at Ambraea during the war games!

And re:the strong reaction of sense of indebtness she feels owed... it seems to me that Mnemon built a core of her identity around this self image as the Eldest Daugther, the one who is the Protectorate and Pillar of the Realm and who is obviously gonna take care of all of them when Mother is gone because that is the proper and magnanimous duty of the big sister. And Rulinsei kinda illustrates that, both in the sense that you can understand how it could be impactful for a person's ego to be offered to protect someone else like you weren't protected, and how she is basically a lense into the future of how being the protected one would be like.

But also Rulinsei herself!!! Rulinsei is the best I love her I love old craftswomen who had seen and survived their share of atrocity and become disilussioned but also aware of the system that grew around them she and Rhunon should hook up<-reference like ten people will get probably

Sorry for the run on sentences I am just so so so excited I liked this so much in so many places I cannot put it all properly! The Pure Wind Pagoda is such an spectacle of sensory images, not just the pagoda itself but what happens in there, it really makes it look like "the place where Things Happen", compositionally speaking
Lohna looks back at her, first confusion, then shock coming over her face, and she presses her hands to her mouth. "Peony?" she whispers, with the recognition Grace has so desperately wanted to hear in someone — anyone's — voice these past three years. "Peony. What's going on? Why didn't I know you?"

Singular Grace, Chosen of Venus, weaver of destinies, slayer of Anathema, and personal student of one of the most powerful figures of heaven, feels her legs wobble beneath her, and she can't stop the tears from coming. "Mama," she manages, unable to articulate anything more than that. Then, as though she were a child with a skinned knee, she throws herself down onto the floor, flings her arms around Lohna's waist, and begins to sob, harsh and uncontained.

Lohna Prince's Scribe, confused and frightened as she is, still understands what her duty is in this moment. She wraps her arms around her daughter, cradling Grace's head against her body, and holds her tightly while Grace finally lets it all out.
As someone who had to fight tooth and nail to get a modicum of recognition from a relative with dementia, and saw the fight become harder and more fruitless with time, I am not ashamed to say this had me sobbing on the floor for a good while. This is so good and also so so cruel to EVERYONE involved and why I fucking love Sidereal drama. I can't wait for Ambraea's reaction to coming back this whole thing after having two back to back life-staking meetings with her family...

and speaking of the next said meeting, I have no strict idea or preference on the strategic value but speaking on narrative vibes and what has been said about her in the quest

[ ] The Hall of Triumphal Glory

A monument erected in honour of one of your half siblings, now largely abandoned and seldom visited.
This one has the markings of the pitch being along the lines of "yes, Mnemon says she'll take care of and honor you, but look at all the people she protected and stood for, where are they now?", something something impermanence of relevance, and living in the shadow of a bigger monument. Mnemon will promise and do things, but will they matter in the long run or something like that. I'll eat my hat if it isn't one of the monuments Mnemon made in honor of fallen siblings that also contain the unsaid message of "but I survived".

[ ] Jinmei Tower

A tower that contains an elaborate menagerie, each level a different biome. Popular with palace goers of all sorts.
This one could probably be centered around Mnemon-Darjilis, all the menageries and museums on the city, and what it says about Mnemon herself and her intentions in "collecting" Ambraea to increase her glory.

[] Idle Blossom Library

Just one of the many libraries and archives the Imperial Palace houses, this one dedicated to literature.
This one I am drawing a blank on, were it a sorcerous library or religious I would say it's about the sorcerous potential we are being offered and how we would have to stifle our goals to fit Mnemon's standards and ethics, but it's specifically singled out as a literature archive... maybe a parable about art and fiction as countercultural and how that would clash with the orthodoxical Mnemon? It does feel like it would likely be the most personal and less strained/grandiose of the meetings. L'nessa meeting us mostly as a friend than a Dynast.

Anyway this isn't in anyway definitive or predictive, just me streching my "ok but what would this symbolize narratively/what would I use this place to illustrate/pontificate on if I was a scheming Dynast" muscles. I loved this post and I can't wait for more.
 
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Person whose very soul and self is entangled with the arcane causality weaving movement of the stars: "I am gonna directly tamper with the stars that embody my ability to redact and conceal objects, information and identities. This will have no unforeseen long-term consequences for me or my unwitting future successors whatsoever"
 
This one I am drawing a blank on,
It likely has biographies exemplifying how very accomplished some members of house Mnemon have turned out, and how their still under her thumb. How many of them could have gone further and earned even more acclaim but Mnemon is the Matriarch who nurtured people beneath her, rather than raising them up. That Ambraea under Mnemon will be an impressive footnote, but a footnote none the less.
This one has the markings of the pitch being along the lines of "yes, Mnemon says she'll take care of and honor you, but look at all the people she protected and stood for, where are they now?", something something impermanence of relevance, and living in the shadow of a bigger monument. Mnemon will promise and do things, but will they matter in the long run or something like that. I'll eat my hat if it isn't one of the monuments Mnemon made in honor of fallen siblings that also contain the unsaid message of "but I survived".
I think this one is more about having a private audience for V'neef to drop some of her mask, while not ignoring that yes, the realm is dangerous, but that is the price a dragon blood pays to ascend, to be a matriarch. Ambraea gambled with her future before, just by trying to become a sorceress, by bonding with Maia despite her families past, and by choosing to face anathema, and she should not be so eager to trade her social mobility for safety.
 
I'm not convinced V'neef will be at the meeting. She's definetly busy, Ambraea isnt actually that important, and she knows Ambraea personally dislikes her. We're definetly gonna get an offer from her but L'nessa might be delivering it solo
 
Wait, thats it? Just a standard offer and no negotiation? No offers beyond the ones she normally gives?

I honestly expected to be offered a great house, not now obviously but in the future. IT is such no brainer offer. But I suppose Mnemon would not be somebody who would offer stuff like that just for her own benefit. Would hate how easy it would be, without all the challanges she herself went thorugh.

Still this shows how poor of a politician she is that she is risking a refusal for the sheer bloody stubborness. She could have made significantly better offer without giving up anything too improtant aside from some promises about the future and she is not even doing that at her own expense. I imagine it is also why so many of her enemies at the point of leaving or outright burning down the Blessed Isle rather than letting her have it. It is like she has two modes, Full speed ahead and Fuller Speed ahead.

So I expect the V'neef to give us a much more rewarding but riskier offer as a counterpoint. But honestly I don't think either of the offers is going to be good enough for us. Mnemon has the power, V'neef has the political chops, those two really need to work together to keep the realm going in the face of half dozen apocalipsi barreling down on it with even more on the wings.

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To be clear, I'm not actually sure where people are getting the idea that this is somehow Mnemon's standard offer -- she does not actually go around adopting people into her personal household very often, especially twenty-three year olds with no leverage and vanishingly few political connections. Mnemon has all the power and all the cards in this dynamic and she is still making Ambraea an objectively really good offer, in part because she genuinely sympathises with Ambraea's position. There was no negotiation, because there was nothing that Ambraea could have reasonably asked for that she wasn't already being served up on a silver platter, and she has nothing to negotiate with other than herself.

Ambraea is a very promising young Dragon-Blood and an Imperial Daughter, not someone who Mnemon is somehow a fool for not immediately bending over backward to placate. Absolutely no one is going to promise someone in Ambraea's position a Great House, and about the only way she's ever going to get one at this point is to attach herself to a candidate for the throne, help them win, and convince them that she's deserving of it and trustworthy in the process so that they'll give a house to her at the end of the civil war instead of like, one of their own children. No one who seriously intends to take the Scarlet Throne is going to take her into their house without getting her to forswear a claim on it, because it's just silly not to and it more or less just goes without saying, from her perspective. This is not a scenario where Ambraea is entertaining thoughts of becoming Empress.
 
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