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Springbreaker - A Forever Winter Planquest

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I doubt it'll be that easy, but getting a better understanding of WTF is even going on with all these survey actions is at least a start.
 
You know the setting is bleak when the developers cite Mad God and the Second Renaissance from the Animatrix as just a few examples of influence. As I mentioned over at Spacebattles, the tone, and aesthetic of The Forever Winter are immaculate.
 
Manowl said:
Think that worship is just the most effective way of pleasing the ai loyalty algorithm system then actual demanding of worshiping?
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Exactly.

Like, I bet this started as a sarcastic joke.

"This Loyalty Algorithm is so busted I bet if I literally worship Europa as a god I'll get more rations."
*it works*
"Fuck."

And then other people jump on board because they don't want to die and the algorithm just learned that Actual Literal Worship is a valid data point, so anyone not worshipping Europa even sarcastically got a massive relative loyalty value drop, and then after generations it's not a joke, it's not a tongue-in-cheek "we're doing this for more food", it's legitimate worship because that's what they, their parents, their grandparents, and their great-grandparents were taught, and it's what they're teaching their children and their grandchildren.

If this is the ??? that LA had, then that's actually very intriguing as a potential opportunity, because we suddenly have insane tools for directing and leveraging our human population.
 
We are however, also kinda insane! And everyone is following different rules, such as when the European technician followed ai rules in order to purge us for being suspicious. So, who knows how calmly all of that is going to react to us attempting to untangle everything.

And yeah, probally some form of facial recognition going on here, where if you don't smile, the ai might go "Well, clearly you are unhappy. If you are unhappy you have treasonous thoughts, time for a purge". Or something along those lines. Smile, cause your life depends on it.
 
Sa'kage said:
We are however, also kinda insane! And everyone is following different rules, such as when the European technician followed ai rules in order to purge us for being suspicious. So, who knows how calmly all of that is going to react to us attempting to untangle everything.

And yeah, probally some form of facial recognition going on here, where if you don't smile, the ai might go "Well, clearly you are unhappy. If you are unhappy you have treasonous thoughts, time for a purge". Or something along those lines. Smile, cause your life depends on it.
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If it helps the war get won then the system will be with us, and that technician probably does that multiple times a hour as well considering the amount of data decay of multiple systems of multiple types of multiple levels of capability and intelligence are working together in a Frankenstein mess.
 
One thing I can imagine that our conscripts will need is better AT and crowd control weapons with the mechs and zombie hordes about.
 
Remember to say "Thank you Europa" if the dice roll well in five hours :V

Also, I changed the reward for a mathpost from a canon to a semi-canon omake. I don't want to steal any potential Omake author's thunder.
 
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*ahem*

May you all live in interesting times. :V

Is it bad that I want the AI Dice to go all in to Purge Malware to make sure there's no hidden shenanigans left? There's gotta be a reason why there are four thresholds to the task for it in particular after all. :X

Ah, well, time to see what happens and check back later. :V
 
Gonna close it a little early
Scheduled vote count started by BOTcommander on Sep 6, 2024 at 7:12 AM, finished with 77 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X]Plan Industrial Backbone
    -[X]Infrastructure (4/4 dice) 40 Resources
    --[X]Resource Production Audit, 4 dice (40R) 76%
    -[X]Industry (3/3 dice) 60 Resources
    --[X]Power Grid Assessment, 3 dice (60R) 52%
    -[X]Scavenging (3/3 dice) 30 Resources
    --[X]Assess Night Shift Residue, 3 dice (30R) 52%
    -[X]Services (3/3 dice) 15 Resources
    --[X]Conduct Enclave Assessment, 3 dice (15R) 18%
    -[X]Military (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X]Military Production and Stockpile Survey, 2 dice (10R) 0%
    --[X]Europan Force Strength Assessment, 1 die (5R) 100%
    --[X]Defensive Infrastructure Audit, 1 die (5R) 100%
    -[X]AI (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X]System Integrity Check, 2 dice (10R) 69%
    --[X]Purge Malware, 2 dice (10R) 96%/69%/26%/2%
    -[X]Total Cost: 185/200 Resources, 15 reserved
    [X] Plan: Grok is Online
    -[X]Logistics Integrity Assessment [1 Dice]
    -[X]Server Hardware Maintenance [1 Dice]
    -[X]Resource Production Audit [2 Dice]
    -[X]Underground Factory Status [3 Dice]
    -[X]Wreckage Analysis [1 Dice]
    -[X]Assess Night Shift Residue [2 Dice]
    -[X]Conduct Enclave Assessment [3 Dice]
    -[X]Military Production and Stockpile Survey [2 Dice]
    -[X]Europan Force Strength Assessment [1 Dice]
    -[X]Defensive Infrastructure Audit [1 Dice]
    -[X]System Integrity Check [2 Dice]
    -[X]Clean Crash Logs (Stage 1) [2 Dice]
    [X] Plan Optimised Beginning
    -[X]Infrastructure (4/4 dice) 40 Resources
    --[X] Logistics Integrity Assessment, 2 Dice, 20 Resources
    --[X] Resource Production Audit, 2 Dice, 20 Resources
    -[X]Industry (3/3 dice) 60 Resources
    --[X] Power Grid Assessment, 3 Dice, 60 Resources
    -[X] Scavenging (3/3 Dice, +0 Roll Bonus) 35 Resources
    --[X] Wreckage Analysis, 1 Dice, 15 Resources
    --[X] Assess Night Shift Residue, 2 Dice, 20 Resources
    -[X] Services (3/3 Dice) 25 Resources
    --[X] Conduct Enclave Assessment, 1 Dice, 5 Resources
    --[X] Rationing Systems Audit, 2 Dice, 20 Resources
    -[X]Military (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X] Military Production and Stockpile Survey, 2 Dice, 10 Resources
    --[X] Europan Force Strength Assessment, 1 Dice, 5 Resources
    --[X] Defensive Infrastructure Audit, 1 Dice, 5 Resources
    -[X]AI (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X] System Integrity Check, 2 Dice, 10 Resources
    --[X] Clean Crash Logs (Stage 1), 2 Dice, 10 Resources
    -[X]Total Cost: 200/200 Resources
    [X] Plan: /dashboard/
    --[X] Logistics Integrity Assessment (1 dice) (-10R)
    --[X] Server Hardware Maintenance (2 dice)
    --[X] Resource Production Audit (1 dice) (-10R)
    --[X] Power Grid Assessment (1 dice) (-20R)
    --[X] Underground Factory Status (1 dice -20R)
    --[X] Assess Night Shift Residue (1 dice -10R)
    --[X] Defensive Infrastructure Audit(2 dice, 10R)
    -[X] Night Shift Reconnaissance (2 dice, -30R)
    -- [X] System Integrity Check (1 dice, -5R)
    -- [X] Purge Malware (2 dice, -10R)
    -- [X] Clean Crash Logs (Stage 1) (1 dice, -5R)
    [X]Plan: In the IT Trenches
    -[X]Infrastructure (4/4 dice) 40 Resources
    --[X]Resource Production Audit, 4 dice (40R) 76%
    -[X]Industry (3/3 dice) 60 Resources
    --[X]Power Grid Assessment, 3 dice (60R) 52%
    -[X]Scavenging (3/3 dice) 45 Resources
    --[X]Wreckage Analysis, 3 dice (45R) 18%
    -[X]Services (3/3 dice) 15 Resources
    --[X]Conduct Enclave Assessment, 3 dice (15R) 18%
    -[X]Military (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X]Military Production and Stockpile Survey, 2 dice (10R) 0%
    --[X]Europan Force Strength Assessment, 1 die (5R) 100%
    --[X]Defensive Infrastructure Audit, 1 die (5R) 100%
    -[X]AI (4/4 dice) 20 Resources
    --[X]Purge Malware, 2 dice (10R) 96%/69%/26%/2%
    --[X]Clean Crash Logs (Stage 1), 2 dice (10R) 69%
    -[X]Total Cost: 200/200 Resources, 0 reserved
    [X] Plan: We need more vespin gas.
    --[X] Logistics Integrity Assessment (2 dice, -20R)
    --[X] Resource Production Audit (2 dice, -20R)
    --[X] Underground Factory Status (2 dice -40R)
    --[X] Wreckage Analysis (2 dice, -30R)
    --[X]Military Production and Stockpile Survey (2 dice, -10R)
    --[X]Europan Force Strength Assessment (1 dice, -5R)
    --[X]Defensive Infrastructure Audit (1 dice, -5)
    --[X] Logistics Integrity Assessment (1 dice) (-10R)
    --[X] Resource Production Audit (1 dice) (-10R)
    --[X] Power Grid Assessment (1 dice) (-20R)
    -- [X] System Integrity Check (1 dice, -5R)
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BOTcommander threw 4 100-faced dice. Reason: Resource Production Audit Total: 92
51 51 8 8 12 12 21 21
BOTcommander threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Power Grid Assessment Total: 108
13 13 91 91 4 4
BOTcommander threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Assess Night Shift Residue Total: 214
28 28 98 98 88 88
BOTcommander threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Conduct Enclave Assessment Total: 236
70 70 95 95 71 71
BOTcommander threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Military Production and Stockp Total: 88
26 26 62 62
BOTcommander threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Europan Military Total: 125
65 65 38 38 22 22
BOTcommander threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Europan Defences Total: 158
74 74 30 30 54 54
BOTcommander threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: System Integrity Check Total: 118
66 66 52 52
BOTcommander threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Purge Malware Total: 52
9 9 43 43
 
Resource Production Audit: 51+8+12+21+4x10 = 132/200
Power Grid Assessment: 13+91+4 = 108/150
Assess Nightshift Residue: 28+98+88 = 214/150 Complete!
Conduct Enclave Assessment: 70+95+71 = 236/200 Complete!
Military Production and Stockpile Survey: 26+62 = 88/200
Europan Force Strength Assessment: Error. Too many outputs! Results unknown.
Defensive Infrastructure Audit: Error. Too many outputs! Results unknown.
System Integrity Check: 66+52+2x10 = 138/100 Complete!
Purge Malware: 9+43+2x10 = 72. DC 50 checkpoint passed.
 
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BOTcommander said:
Remember to say "Thank you Europa" if the dice roll well in five hours :V
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All of you get shot.

Walliseatscheese said:
Exactly.

Like, I bet this started as a sarcastic joke.

"This Loyalty Algorithm is so busted I bet if I literally worship Europa as a god I'll get more rations."
*it works*
"Fuck."

And then other people jump on board because they don't want to die and the algorithm just learned that Actual Literal Worship is a valid data point, so anyone not worshipping Europa even sarcastically got a massive relative loyalty value drop, and then after generations it's not a joke, it's not a tongue-in-cheek "we're doing this for more food", it's legitimate worship because that's what they, their parents, their grandparents, and their great-grandparents were taught, and it's what they're teaching their children and their grandchildren.

If this is the ??? that LA had, then that's actually very intriguing as a potential opportunity, because we suddenly have insane tools for directing and leveraging our human population.
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An interesting hting that we haven't seen yet is algospeak. Because sometimes you need to say something that the AI doesn't like. For example, the AI is designed to avoid production losses, therefore penalize problems, but you still need to report those problems. So you need an ever changing, ever altering list of negative terms, each replaced as the AI figures out it's meaning and associates the term with the negative thing.
 
Oh, that's a youch on the power grid and resource production. We ended up getting both the night shift and enclave done though. So, what this open up is going to be really interesting. Since we'll know of problem, but have no idea on the power and resource situation in order to fix those problems.
 
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