Dark Magical Girl Quest

And having a weakness is bad because?

Like, I'd rather not be too powerful and then force every encounter to have to be warped around and deal with our stats. And frankly, the aesthetics of the weapons are absolutely awesome and I feel just going wand kinda limits that.

All of the proposed potential builds have weaknesses, but the bigger issue is that the Weapon + Stubborn and Inquisitive is trying to abandon the basis of the previous plan of being support-focused and magic-focused in favor of trying to be somewhat generalist, which is something that doesn't work all that well and diminishes uniqueness of the build.
We aren't good for direct offensive against our most common opposition due to our Flaw (especially when it comes to Physical, which is at best 11 with Weapon, and goes down to 1 if used for any action that inflicts harm on MGs, so that will always be a weakness for us; maybe we can keep it 11 in case where the bonus from Stubborn and Inquisitive triggers, but even that isn't likely to be enough). While having 25 or 26 Health would be nice, it isn't all that significant of an improvement and we could make due with 17 Health so that we have another weakness in our Frailty. All-in-all, I feel like Wand + any of the non-Stubborn and Inquisitive personalities lends itself towards a more clearly defined build when it comes to upsides and downsides, unlike Weapon + Stubborn and Inquisitive, but that's just me. If the thread really thinks we should go weapon over wand, then Bitter and Cynical is a better personality for that, since it does improve our resistance somewhat.
 
I'm not even looking at the mechanical effects, I just wanna be bitter and cynical. And to go after the shiny rocks.

I will say, tying mechanical effects to personality seems not great to begin with. The actual personality choice is diminished by metagaming.
 
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You're going to find out what happened to Yume. You'll find every clue, chase every lead, break every law you need to. Apathy cannot stop you. Lies cannot stop you. You won't stop. Ever. Not until it's done. But when you reach the end and find your answers, will you be happy with them?

I am surprised by the Big Bad here, it seems pretty clear here that Yume was a magic girl and died fighting them, quite likely the day she rescued us.
Does she really think that we would continue to work for her when we find out?




[X] Plan Wallflower Communication

[X] Plan Last Person You'd Expect to be a Punk
 
I am surprised by the Big Bad here, it seems pretty clear here that Yume was a magic girl and died fighting them, quite likely the day she rescued us.
Does she really think that we would continue to work for her when we find out?
Well, yes. I think that's exactly what she thinks.

One thing that seems to have defined the Big Bad in her speeches is a complete and utter confidence in the rightness of her assessments and a refusal to even consider the possibility that she might have made an error, and an utter contempt towards basically anyone who's not her. Anything that goes wrong is never her fault, it's the fault of everyone else for being such a disappointment. So she's completely certain she knows how Kaworu will react to each and every circumstance, and the mere possibility that her assessment might be wrong doesn't even occur to her.
 
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My personal favourite voices are DEATH and Rock Star. Death has a fun style and reminds me of Normal Horoscopes. Rock Star is just obviously cool as hell, and as an aside Vampire is also fine for vibe reasons. I'll throw my hat in the ring, because girl needs to vent, and I have a write-in course of action. Welcome to max aggro.

[X] Plan: DISRESPECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS!
-[X][Personality] BITTER AND CYNICAL
-[X][Voice] Rock Star
-[X][Style] Staff/Wand

-[X][Action] You're in a terrible mood, and you know just how to fix it. Fuck the police and the shadow monsters. You'll fight them both. (No, the fact that it'll definitely get the magical girl to notice you has nothing to do with it.)

[X] Plan: Wielder of death and the void
-[X][Personality] Quiet and Withdrawn
-[X][Voice] Death
-[X][Style] Staff/wand
-[X][Action] Your new Miraculite wasn't the only one in the case. There were two others and they must be valuable. Try to grab them.

I am curious, what people find appealing about moon. It feels like it's got some of the least personality to me?

[X] Plan: Reaper's Apprentice
[X] Plan: Till Death Do Us Part
Destiny Awaits
[X] Plan Destiny Awaits



It's so refreshing to meet a human that's completely given up on living a happy life. Nature is healing.
Ah, I see she is versed in meme. Definitely a based take.

There is No Santa Claus, There is No Easter Bunny
and there is no queen of England.

met with a terrible fate, haven't you.
And now a moon is going to crush me.

But every plan with this framework is already in the lead, so it's basically already won.
Hey, the show's not over 'till the fat lady sings.

When is the vote closing anyways?
 
All of the proposed potential builds have weaknesses, but the bigger issue is that the Weapon + Stubborn and Inquisitive is trying to abandon the basis of the previous plan of being support-focused and magic-focused in favor of trying to be somewhat generalist, which is something that doesn't work all that well and diminishes uniqueness of the build.
We aren't good for direct offensive against our most common opposition due to our Flaw (especially when it comes to Physical, which is at best 11 with Weapon, and goes down to 1 if used for any action that inflicts harm on MGs, so that will always be a weakness for us; maybe we can keep it 11 in case where the bonus from Stubborn and Inquisitive triggers, but even that isn't likely to be enough). While having 25 or 26 Health would be nice, it isn't all that significant of an improvement and we could make due with 17 Health so that we have another weakness in our Frailty. All-in-all, I feel like Wand + any of the non-Stubborn and Inquisitive personalities lends itself towards a more clearly defined build when it comes to upsides and downsides, unlike Weapon + Stubborn and Inquisitive, but that's just me. If the thread really thinks we should go weapon over wand, then Bitter and Cynical is a better personality for that, since it does improve our resistance somewhat.
Okay, so here's what I'm trying to aim for

First of all I'm not trying to make something that has the best chance of winning a fight. I think our terrifying +34 magic attack does that well enough on its own actually, especially when Rex's outburst earlier indicates that this quest is probably not something that has been tested extensively for balance. Which is fine, but that means I really don't want to end up pushing this even more. I want Rex to have an easier time making cool fights with a lot of variety in what they are and a good amount of challenge.

Our current build gives us a strong foundation, but I would say leaning too hard into it actually makes it harder to do this.

Like, if we took Quiet and Wand, as Wayflower communication wants to do, the result is that it's way harder for a fight to actually take advantage of our flaws - It's harder to notice us, so taking advantage of our frailty becomes more difficult, and we don't need to worry about that so much. We also don't need to manage our Mana as much because of the boost. The malus to physical? We'll never get involved in physical combat at all, so why do we even care?

Something isn't a weakness if it never actually comes up.

I could actually accept one of these on their own - without Quiet, Wand means we need to be creative about not getting ganked and our allies can do cool things like coming in with the save when enemies do focus on us and forget about them - kinda almost like the inverse of quiet. And with just Quiet, we're instead trying to use our stealth to find openings to make the best use of our more limited magic pool, and thus attempting to find mroe creative ways to use spells. Maybe hiding until the moment one of our allies gets cornered, then stepping in front of them and using beauty.

I just think that the combination of the two at this juncture is so strong as to start breaking things in a way that makes actually designing fights around it difficult.

Edit: There's also how rolls work to take into account - We don't have to match the DC, just get within 10 of it. With that in mind, a -10 malus like the one we have is still bad, but its not as crippling as it might seem, so I don't think it needs to have all the bonuses in the world stacked to remove it.
I am curious, what people find appealing about moon. It feels like it's got some of the least personality to me?
I think people want an Evil Sailor Moon.
 
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Well for me, "Reflected Light" sounds like magic that would include some defensive work, probably based around reflecting enemy attacks. That sounds useful for us if we're caught out on our own and so can't benefit from Wallflower.

"Kingdom of the Moon" implies more group-based magic, which might be helpful in the form of buffs that can enhance our party members and allies if we're fighting against an opponent where direct magic assault won't work well.

And third reason...I just really like the elegant/fancy style in anime, particularly with the big poofy and frilly dresses an "elegant princess" style tends to have.:oops:
 
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Well for me, "Reflected Light" sounds like magic that would include some defensive work, probably based around reflecting enemy attacks. That sounds useful for us if we're caught out on our own and so can't benefit from Wallflower.

"Kingdom of the Moon" implies more group-based magic, which might be helpful in the form of buffs that can enhance our party members and allies if we're fighting against an opponent where direct magic assault won't work well.

And third reason...I just really like the elegant/fancy style in anime, particularly with the big poofy and frilly dresses an "elegant princess" style tends to have.:oops:
Oh I'm fine with it. I like the aesthetic, even if I wish that Punk Rock got more love. It's mostly the Wallflower + Wand combo I find to be pushing a system that I think wasn't designed for this level of number crunching.

edit: Also, we have Beauty, which won't trigger the malus and which can turn enemies to our side for the battle. We're never 100% in a situation where we can't benefit from Wallflower (unless we're up against robots, in which case there's no issues, we just start Blasting).

Which again, is why I'm being kinda pushy on this.

Edit edit: Although... i don't think we know what any of the spell trees are actually about, do we?
 
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[X] Plan: Cynical Moon
[X] Plan: Reaper's Apprentice
[X] Plan: Till Death Do Us Part

[X] Plan Hidden Depths
[X] Plan: Thracian Bard

I like the sound of all of these.
Edit: added the Orpheus option.
 
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[x] we demand explanations
[X] Plan: Reaper's Apprentice
[X] Plan Hidden Depths

Why are none of using write-ins only one of them has there's so much potential and none of us are using it
 
[X] Dr. Gloom and Miss Punkette
-[X] [Personality] Bitter and Cynical
-[X] [Voice] Rock Star
-[X] [Style] Weapon
-[X] [Action] Time to smash some damn cops. You've had a shitty day and breaking robots sounds like fun.

(I admit, I just like the contrast between the sad and introvert school girl that turn into a raging lesbian punk magical girl when transformed)


[X] Plan Rhythm of the World

(but i like that one too)
 
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I AM LOVING ALL THESE OPTIONS *ahem*
Lots of flavor here but my favorites are:

[X] Plan Greedy Wallflower
-[X][Personality] Quiet and Withdrawn
-[X][Voice] Moon
-[X][Style] Staff/Wand
-[X][Action] Your new Miraculite wasn't the only one in the case. There were two others and they must be valuable. Try to grab them.

Yeah I now its basically wallflower communication with a single change but i dojt really want to jump into whatevers happening right now.
And these:
[X] Plan Rhythm of the World
[X] Plan Last Person You'd Expect to be a Punk
Im going to see if i can find some pics that i think would look good for the partner voices.
 
Hmm...I just had an idea for a voice I might like better than Moon.

@RexHeller

[ ][Voice] "Ah, a fellow musician? How marvelous! It has been too long since...Ah. I see. It seems we have more in common than merely that. Very well then. You may call me Orpheus. Now behold the threads of the world...and play." Spell Trees: [Master of Strings] and [The Orphic Mysteries] Style: Tuxedo'd Musician. Weapon: Lyre

My thought is that Master of Strings has themes of music, but also connections, creating and manipulating intangible connections between people, places, and items at higher levels. Unto the Underworld represents Orpheus's journey to bring back Eurydice (though I don't expect us to be able to do anything similar.) The Orphic Mysteries are based on the idea (as my limited understanding has) of salvation through ritual purification and reliving the suffering of the God Dionysus. So Orphic Mysteries would be based around Empowerment and other effects taking place after our character or others are harmed.

Fun fact: Apparently when Orpheus was killed, his music was so beautiful that when sticks and stones were thrown at him, they refused to hit him because of how beautiful his music was. Kinda fits with our girl's style to begin with, huh?

It's probably too late to make the swap or change momentum to this new idea, especially since I need to go to bed, but I wanted to give it a try.
 
You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you. Apologies, but I would not wish this upon anyone. My name is Countess and we are bonded now. My power may be yours but so shall be my thirst. Come, fledgling, the night is young and the blood is fresh. We must tend to your thirst.

Oh? A new soul has awoken to the night? I offer you greetings, fair stranger. I am Queen Luna, the moon, and it seems we are to be partnered. With my grace, the night shall be yours to rule. From this day forth, you shall be my little Princess."

IT IS NOT YOUR TIME YET YOUR TOUCH HAS REACHED ME? FATE IS MEDDLING ONCE AGAIN. YET SHE HAS MADE A MISTAKE. I CLAIM YOU FROM HER, MY APPRENTICE. I AM DEATH. IT IS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU."

"Who dares awaken Shaid, The Great Dragon of Darkness? Your fate is sealed, Hatchling. A dragon never surrenders what's theirs. Now, defend your hoard with my black fire!"
I do love how all of those seem kinda parents; I do love me some evil but loving parents in fiction.
 
[Voice] Imp - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/e0a3c6db-4955-47e2-98f7-956a03ea1dcc/dfrfqfx-af2e8029-af41-4612-85e1-a090e83ba06b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2UwYTNjNmRiLTQ5NTUtNDdlMi05OGY3LTk1NmEwM2VhMWRjY1wvZGZyZnFmeC1hZjJlODAyOS1hZjQxLTQ2MTItODVlMS1hMDkwZTgzYmEwNmIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.8u-rVG0-SnUS7xey28fc6KB6Mvv4sT9Be7o3FMZT82I
(Helluva boss)

[Voice] Dragon - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/fc/2e/5efc2e219f2b99c7f37db23b92dd1dfa.jpg
(Gore Megala MH)

(Grima FE Echoes)

[Voice] Death - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/ar0/89325486b91b0884fd686116e5d7b029.jpg
(Mori Calliope Holo live) (This also works as our Tramsformed State!)

[Voice] Moon - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b7635959-9073-4b7e-a82c-368e3859ef40/d5tngbi-6add538b-f51e-4a24-b527-754bafaff0df.png/v1/fill/w_1280,h_972,q_80,strp/my_little_pony__princess_luna_by_rurucreations_d5tngbi-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9OTcyIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjc2MzU5NTktOTA3My00YjdlLWE4MmMtMzY4ZTM4NTllZjQwXC9kNXRuZ2JpLTZhZGQ1MzhiLWY1MWUtNGEyNC1iNTI3LTc1NGJhZmFmZjBkZi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.cHYZ7Qhy29R7QTIEJWb1a0uagRsTTHVl00u2Dtr30a8
(Fan version of a Human Luna from MLP)(Nightmare moon is basically this but somehow more goth... also works as a transformed state)

[Voice] Beast - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4a/Tumblr_DMC3_Cerberus_1_.png/revision/latest?cb=20231220144523
(Cerberus DMC 3)

(I personally lile this one, Yugioh representation)

[Voice] Outlaw - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/7e615594-271e-4583-a067-de82d97cb98e/ddy5tde-926aa168-47d3-43ef-bb9c-a5e308ade4f3.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzdlNjE1NTk0LTI3MWUtNDU4My1hMDY3LWRlODJkOTdjYjk4ZVwvZGR5NXRkZS05MjZhYTE2OC00N2QzLTQzZWYtYmI5Yy1hNWUzMDhhZGU0ZjMucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.JoJG0S4BWSk4aZonIKbR29B3JeKGSt52TcaJ6x45NVY
(Zora Epithed Erased. Short series on youtube by Jello apocalypse, fun watch, also theres a audiobook)

[Voice] AI - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://64.media.tumblr.com/e92d8d2c5a7b062c1fb1b0dd12f36ab7/5808dacbc4a99ca4-ff/s1280x1920/cbecd4a213dc6d298dab65de4f76dcb7b88bfa15.png
(Had a bit of trouble with this ome soooo.. Regileki from Pokemon)

[Voice] Vampire - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F38-JMKW0AE4PBt.jpg:large
(Rachel from Blazeblue) (also works for a transformation)

[Voice] Rock Star - Resultado de imágenes de Google para https://preview.redd.it/wwuxd8olu56a1.jpg?auto=webp&s=92c9e9baae67eda0f80753b0f10c5f037b1ac324
(Punk Miku... I had too. Its way to easy)

Welp hope this goes up, thoughts?
Edit: yup it got a bit borged, but if you highlight the link it should let you check it. I seriously am not good enough at the finer details of this site...
 
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Not sure if this was brought up yet (I skimmed through comments), but Yume was 1000% a First Generation Magical Girl. That's gonna be a very interesting plot point to see play out.
 
Hmm...I just had an idea for a voice I might like better than Moon.

@RexHeller

[ ][Voice] "Ah, a fellow musician? How marvelous! It has been too long since...Ah. I see. It seems we have more in common than merely that. Very well then. You may call me Orpheus. Now behold the threads of the world...and play." Spell Trees: [Master of Strings] and [The Orphic Mysteries] Style: Tuxedo'd Musician. Weapon: Lyre

My thought is that Master of Strings has themes of music, but also connections, creating and manipulating intangible connections between people, places, and items at higher levels. Unto the Underworld represents Orpheus's journey to bring back Eurydice (though I don't expect us to be able to do anything similar.) The Orphic Mysteries are based on the idea (as my limited understanding has) of salvation through ritual purification and reliving the suffering of the God Dionysus. So Orphic Mysteries would be based around Empowerment and other effects taking place after our character or others are harmed.

Fun fact: Apparently when Orpheus was killed, his music was so beautiful that when sticks and stones were thrown at him, they refused to hit him because of how beautiful his music was. Kinda fits with our girl's style to begin with, huh?

It's probably too late to make the swap or change momentum to this new idea, especially since I need to go to bed, but I wanted to give it a try.
Knuckles Meme: APPROVED!

Honestly, that's a really cool idea, especially once you get the mythology involved. Well done.
 
Since I'm going to be taking a class soon and I remembered a lot more potential images for voices or transformations ill leave this here and stop pestering this poor forum with giant posts filled with nothing but images.
Old but new:
[Voice] Dragon- Google Image Result for https://i.redd.it/ru41l7100wn81.png
(Cant believe i forgot Dragalia Lost was a thing, seriously SO MANY DRAGONS, but here is Primordial Zodiark one the main dragons).

[Voice] Death- Google Image Result for https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pussinbootsnetflix/images/1/16/112C4DD0-1A93-4E50-B401-D880FD4DA480.webp/revision/latest?cb=20231129225958
(Great Movie)

[Voice] Moon- Google Image Result for https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/041/596/675/large/anime-legendary-dcu46ou-932a4d5c-0297-4619-953c-14541cb3f845.jpg?1632156845
(A lot less friendly looking than previous adds, that's for sure)

(Any Elden ring fans out there? Not me, but a good look nonetheless)

(Digimon fans?)

[Voice] AI- Google Image Result for https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/1068a520-7c7a-42ee-b51e-d41312ed0234/dfuakeh-0f62f673-3a38-4681-a9df-9bd65f81f018.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzEwNjhhNTIwLTdjN2EtNDJlZS1iNTFlLWQ0MTMxMmVkMDIzNFwvZGZ1YWtlaC0wZjYyZjY3My0zYTM4LTQ2ODEtYTlkZi05YmQ2NWY4MWYwMTguanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lZczd8xBiJt2-Xf_JzQtxfsktxgACVZHdXEbL4J85-c
(Spoilers for Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Final Boss)

(Same as above, but slightly less)

(Spoiler for Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Hidden side quest Character. This is more for our Mcs Transformation focus.

(T-Elos from The Xeno series, specifically her XC2 appearance)

(Aliens! Also Final boss of Megaman Starforce 1)

(Astral Chain is a very good game. Fusion mode of the MC unlocked near the end of the game)

New additions from the voices of the forum (an eldritch entity itself):

[Voice] Eldritch- Google Image Result for https://i.redd.it/fnw3b08a8xk41.jpg
(In honor of Hollow Knight, were after a 40+ boss rush our reward is Godhood, and a very dead Light Goddess (Who is also quite evil) a representation that even if you are discarded... you can reach immeasurable heights)

(And back from like 2 pages ago Ginni! People like her Astetick for either our boss or her look for a transformed state.... kinda need to trim the design down though)

(Maaaaaaybe a little to far)

(Yes. I am not joking)

(Dark Gaia Technically works for dragons as well, eh Live and Learn)

[Voice] Chaos- Google Image Result for https://i.redd.it/r9kz7fcz41kc1.png
(Kinda hard to find a pick for this... so Heres MLP chaos god Discord.)

(I had to)

aaaaaand were done. Thanks for reading and ill stop for now.
 
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