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The Dragon Roars: A KMT Quest

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ReluctntCrusader said:
Due to the chaotic nature and significance of this situation, I suggest that a DemCent imposed moratorium take place for at least 24 hours so that we may rationally decide what our actions are.
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Considering the way voting has already gone, I feel like a demcent poll has a foregone conclusion and I do not think people will actually switch their votes regardless of the results considering the votes I expect to lose being from those that don't follow demcent anyway. Still, if you insist.
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Turn 8 Crisis: Bloody Tuesday. - StrawPoll

What is your opinion? Vote now: [] Support the GMD Uprising., [] Declare our neutrality in the crisis., [] Convince the GMD to stand down.
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Fireiy said:
Considering the way voting has already gone, I feel like a demcent poll has a foregone conclusion and I do not think people will actually switch their votes regardless of the results considering the votes I expect to lose being from those that don't follow demcent anyway. Still, if you insist.
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Turn 8 Crisis: Bloody Tuesday. - StrawPoll

What is your opinion? Vote now: [] Support the GMD Uprising., [] Declare our neutrality in the crisis., [] Convince the GMD to stand down.
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You're correct. At this point, DemCent is pretty much not needed and pointless at this stage of the vote. It'll probably be needed when we decide how much support we'll give
 
Poll has closed 10 to 0 in favor of supporting the uprising.

[X] Support the GMD Uprising.
[X] KMT - Revolutionary Group
 
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    • Well, we're not technically breaking the treaty, I think. Since we rejected the new provisions. French won't be happy but with them being bogged down and maybe having loosened up after our ceasefire hopefully they won't be too sanguinary against us if they're locally in a pickle. They also have to face terrible geography to attack us from their territories, excepting like Tianjin which is open to the ocean but with other colonial powers controlling the approaches into the Bohai Sea they may be leery of giving the French an in on "their" turf.

    edit: misread. Depends on the nature of the support we provide. We will be competing with our southern rivals for the hearts and minds of the people here so bear that in mind, but I think they are more constrained in what they can do without facing the punishment of French retaliation than what we are for sure.
     
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    Turn 8 Crisis: Guangzhou Relief.
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    • [X] Support the GMD Uprising.


    Brothers-In-Arms.

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    In the flurry of actions, following the events of Bloody Tuesday, considerations and discussions within the KMT would be rapid and decisive. Still not requiring any oppositional support within the legislature to pass any government policies, discussion in the immediate aftermath of the French response would be squarely followed by a KMT decision to provide support to their GMD allies to the south, to the approval of both Communist parties and the Republicans in a surge of revolutionary fervor. Only a small group of dissenters from the Party would give their disapproval to such aggressive conduct against the French, wary of inviting the ire of Paris and Saigon's wrath.

    A wrath that has already turned material, as Governor-General Joost's displeasure has been made apparent through the French consulate in Lanzhou, with the Dutch-born governor providing ample warning to the Republic not to push the lines of their generosity. NBIS has reported a buildup of French colonial forces in Northern Vietnam, signaling a possible punitive expedition against the GMD should they declare an open rebellion.

    Regarding that rebellion, however, the GMD has expressed its gratitude and thanks to the Republic for agreeing to assist in their uprising against French colonial rule, providing additional information to their allies in the Party. For their own part, the southern revolutionaries have apparently captured a significant amount of support from local officers and provincial armies, a boon in case of a French response that is sure to come in the aftermath of a rebellion. This, including overwhelming civilian support in the aftermath of the massacre, will almost assuredly secure the revolution's position in the first days of the uprising.

    However, even with this much support, it will no doubt still be a struggle for the Guangzhou revolutionaries. As such, they have turned towards us for further support, hoping that with the support of the Republic, their position will be totally secured, and it is down to the Lanzhou government to decide how heavy its support should be towards their revolutionary brethren.

    There is also talk as well, within the KMT, on whether this support could be forced with certain... conditions beneficial to the Party. Given the pressure placed on the ilk rising from Guangzhou from most directions already, they would be a lot more pliable to bending to the will of Lanzhou in the future. The greater the carrot, the more acceptable the stick.
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    What Should Be Done?

    On Support.
    [] [GMD] Renounce support to the GMD.[] [GMD] Recognize the GMD Government.[] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.[] [GMD] Deploy NRA troops into Guangdong.
    Pressure placed on the Lanzhou government from foreign powers, most especially the French colonial authorities, could result in the walking back of the more overt declarations of support to the GMD rebels. This would ameliorate relations with the French, offering unique opportunities between Lanzhou and Saigon, but will no doubt infuriate revolutionary elements elsewhere.The bare minimum of support offered by the Lanzhou government would be, naturally, the official recognition of the GMD as the rightful government of the southern provinces, as opposed to the dubious legality of the current French protectorates. This would please the revolutionaries, to the fury of the French, though much less so than any other form of support.The most natural form of support for the Lanzhou government, and most especially advocated by the NRA, as with the beginning of demobilization, manpower is at a premium for the Republic. As such, the idea of utilizing Taiping armories, or simply using the weaponry of those demobilized soldiers to support the GMD uprising would be a popular one. They would also be helped with money and whatever supplies needed, a temporary strain on the Republic's finances, but no doubt a worthy investment.The greatest form of support for the Republic to offer to their GMD allies, the deployment of NRA troops into Guangdong will assuredly secure the uprising in perpetuity, inviting the wrath of the French against the Republic directly. The NRA is confident that it would be able to hold off against French advances into the southern territories, but it would serve as another extremely taxing front of war for the overburdened military. In exchange, however, the GMD would be assuredly amenable to any conditions we add towards them.

    On Conditions.
    [] [TERM] No Conditions.
    [] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.


    Pick ONE Faction.

    [] KMT - Mainline
    [] KMT - Revolutionary Group
    [] KMT - Independents
    [NPC] Republican Party     (Favors: [GMD] Material Aid, Opposes: [TERM] Integration.)
    [NPC] Chinese Communist Party (Favors: [GMD] Material Aid, Opposes: [TERM] Integration.)
    [NPC] Communist Party of China (Favors: [GMD] NRA Troops, Opposes: [TERM] Integration.)


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    • [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Revolutionary Group
     
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    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [] [TERM] No Conditions.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Revolutionary Group

    The NRA likes it, the other parties like it. What more is there to say?
     
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    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] No Conditions.
    [X] KMT - Mainline
     
    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Independents
     
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    The other parties dont want the integration of the GMD into the KMT because it would strenghten us as the party right?

    Though it should be kept in mind that if we get additional territories as a result from this without the integration we will very likely lose our parliament majority and further split up the decisionmaking.

    also can we write in our own conditions?
     
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    NSchwerte said:
    The other parties dont want the integration of the GMD into the KMT because it would strenghten us as the party right?

    Though it should be kept in mind that if we get additional territories as a result from this without the integration we will very likely lose our parliament majority and further split up the decisionmaking.

    also can we write in our own conditions?
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    Yes to the first part, and secondly, the assumption is already that in the case of a successful revolution the GMD will join the Republic, thus the question is only if it will join the Republic as a part of the Party, or as another part of the opposition. You can certainly add your own terms outside of that, but that is the base assumption already existing.
     
    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Revolutionary Group
     
    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] No Conditions.
    [X] KMT - Revolutionary Group
     
    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Revolutionary Group
     
    Personally I don't think preconditioning our aid on the integration of the autonomist GMD into the KMT is a good idea. If they wish to join us on their own then that is another matter, but forcing them in feels like it'd exacerbate the existing problems we have in the KMT already.
     
    [X] [GMD] Provide Material Aid to the GMD Uprising.
    [X] [TERM] No Conditions.
    [X] [TERM] Integrate the GMD as a southern branch of the KMT.
    [X] KMT - Mainline
     
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