Temes1066
To Defy Gravity you must Let It Go
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You haven't answered his question.
Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)
- Thread starter Slayer Anderson
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You haven't answered his question.
Brightflame
Lord of the Dance
- Location
- Inkopolis
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + Personal Agenda.
[X] Plan: World Unification
[X] Plan Land Grab with formal Title
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
[X] Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + Personal Agenda.
[X] Plan: World Unification
[X] Plan Land Grab with formal Title
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
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If you can show me vote totals that might convince me to support it too. A simple number of how much support would be fine.
euphie thinks is the mehua will give the least issues but that second husband will be best for our plans
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Refuse. Kallen is too necessary in her current role at this time. You'll revisit the issue later.
Sneak her family to us instead.
[X] Refuse. Kallen is too necessary in her current role at this time. You'll revisit the issue later.
Sneak her family to us instead.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Both of the [Plan Land Grab] are not viable plans since they doesn't fill Charles requirement of marrying Lihua OR access to the Thought Elevator. Also have you considered looking at the alternative versions of [X] Plan A Better China = [X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband) ?
@megrisvernin Here's the current vote tally numbers.
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But whether it's Lihua or Meihua, and marriage would be completely political at the beginning, with the added problem with Meihua that she will be completely trapped in it, with no way for her to decide she wants to marry someone else without risking a major diplomatic accident, because even if we wouldn't make an issue out of it, someone in Britannia would make an issue out of her wanting a divorce if it doesn't work out.
With Lihua, while the marriage would still exist, she would still have Xingke.
Eternal_0bserver
(Unverified Bookworm)
- Location
- Earth, Northern Europe
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress.
[X] Plan A Better China.
[X] Plan A Better China.
Brightflame
Lord of the Dance
- Location
- Inkopolis
No, because I would genuinely rather have Lelouch marry Meihua than be Lihua's second husband
A really important fact is that we will most likely need to do a Diplomacy action to fulfill our deal with Area 8 governor which on a good roll might allow us to buy more shares so we don't just have a slim majority.
Which will result in opening the area to our business interests because according to the Pirate Dossier the Crowns were
So with us being their backer we can basically open the area from Avalon to Botany Bay to our investments and granting land. Taking into account Tasmania is a Duchy we will be able to easily carve out some nice landed titles for our followers.
And with the Crowns (who are the most likely faction to be bought off before now) we can secure ports belonging to La Cosa Nostra. With their destruction the other pirate factions lose a lot of their established black market contacts. I believe we could gobble up all the minor factions on the east coast in 2-3 turns with the Crowns being secured. Especially if we combine naval and land combat with Intrigue actions.
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I'm voting for most of those, because ultimately I'm willing to compromise on the marriage and even the defense treaty I really don't like. I think you need to ask yourself what's really important. You agree with me on Stewardship, and it's clearly a much more permanent and important distinction of how the quest interacts with China and Lihua than whether we are the first or second husband.
In all honesty the vote has become a little too centered around the marriage, which to be fair, is a big deal, but not the whole vote. People need to look at the longterm more. We have the integration of three cities worth of high piety focus society that's going to make China Piety pretty redundant.
Control over a superpolity's economic development and it's impact on Pacific ocean trade and Britannia politics is a much more sensible choice with that in mind. Especially when you consider the security risks of less secure Piety facilities in mainland china over the secure coasts of australia we can better defend and monitor.
At this point we are marrying someone for a notable degree of political influence in the CF regardless of which votes wins. The position we hold dictate how we effect the CFs development, and Stewardship is superior to piety when it comes to broad impact and furthering HBE&CF relations, and to best earn Lihua's affection and trust by aiding her peoples recovery from the war.
I am compromising to try and ensure this happens, perhaps you should consider doing the same. Rarely can we have everything we want.
In addition Xingke is 30 and likely has low learning which will impede his ability to adapt. It's really not a winning position for him.
But those projects mean more to lihua and can earn us her trust and affection for doing well, and I imagine over time meeting her expectations would resolve enough issues and engender enough trust to start freeing up AP for further personal projects.
Because we could literally have land to give them by the end of this turn or the end of next between owning the crowns and beginning to follow up on absorbing the weaker pirates next turn. We have fewer than 5 dozen knights and it's not like their all expecting earldoms.
Meanwhile the minister position is some free ap and the authority to influence some of Lihua's new regime's development. Personally stewardship is best in my opinion because we are set to absorb a piety focus small nation in new heaven in a few turns.
[] Plan A Better China(as second husband) has neither of those and we do have approval voting. It includes resource extraction and research foundation as well as stewardship minister position.
We already have a very strong lihua SL because china was a crisis event which means removed limits on SL gain. Just marrying lihua second was going to be enough to get us maximum in her graces before more than 2 dozen rolls over 100 in successes to accomplishing things that benefit her during the chinese invasion crisis event. Even if we marry her 1st we probably start with an SL somewhere from 6 to 8.
Here you. Personally if people instead of insisting on only second marriage focused on passing a marriage to lihua by voting for Plan A Better China, we would likely pull far ahead. I'm not supporting Backdoor because I prefer stewardship admin because we already have the Absorption of A high piety organization in new heaven ahead of us.
It seems more critical to get our hooks into the worlds most resource and wealth rich nation than to get their likely under developed piety admin. It seems likely a marriage is going to pull ahead by sheer amount of overall voters who want it, so it's time in my opinion to shift to focus on what the nature of our position in the CF is beyond Lihua's husband.
because i was only commenting that i think that second consort is actually the best option and not the runner up as implied in the question
but to answer it now the only advantage the meihua marriage has is that it doesnt rock the boat but doest give many benefits
first consort gives us the right to father the first child on lihua and make our children inherit the chinese throne along with some prestige but in exchange requires us to fullfill ceremonial duties and the like which will make the action economy for personal actions even worse (cause our duties would likely fall in that field)
and lastly is the postion as second consort where lihua will get the chance to birth xonges baby first, which will make her bend over backwards to reward in other ways, and we dont have to attend events unless we want and they fit into our schedule while still giving us most of the prestige we would get as first consort
While I would also prefer that a Plan with Stewardship wins, I'm willing to compromise on that as long as we get a minister position (even though piety is honestly my least preferred one), and either First or Second Husband gets choosen. While A better China is my favourite, I'm okay with Backdoor to Everything winning.
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My main thing is I want to interact with Lihua, as she is a character who doesn't get much if any attention outside of this quest. That said, I'm compromising and voting for plans with either husband order, because ultimately I'm fine being either position of consort as long as our means of interacting with CF beyond Lihua is a stewardship one, as we have an impending option for upping our piety that is more developed and requires less ground work to build up coming soon.
This is a fair take, but it is still only hour 9 of 48, with 39 hours to go. What I'm saying is it seems likely that a Marriage to lihua option will maintain a lead at this point, and advising that we need to consider other aspect of the vote and be prepared to shift as the deciding criteria for which vote passes shifts away from from the marriage.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
I'll sleep on it and see how the voting turns out before making a decision, it just feels really ... bothersome to go for First Husband but you do make some decent arguments that it could work. I'm willing to budge on the formal treaty and compromise with [X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband) but that seems even less popular.
there is one part of the duties that lihua wants xingke for and that is the right to father her first children anything else is likely window dressing
i am more willing to compromise in regards to the piety advisor (as long as my other requirements are met) than i am willing to take the position of first consort because i dont want anything to do with the commitments (personal actions locked in) attached to that position
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Yeah. I'm just thinking of all the things we can do with a fourth or even fifth stewardship action for ourselves, like invest in Carine's Canal to pry her from Guin, just to piss off Guin and her mom.
Getting our civilian economy and infrastructure properly developed and running in Australia is going to be intensive process after all.
Good night.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Now if only we can convince everyone else to meet in the middle and vote for [X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband) ...
Democracy at work here folks
Oh right, just to clarify - sneaking Kallen's family to her is not an option because she is not looking for a vacation - Kallen is looking for familiarity away from her obligations. So visiting Japan is the only choice, a 'vacation' elsewhere doesn't count. This is paraphrased Slayer WoG.
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its gonna take a long while till we rebuild and modernized the CF so dont bet on using those dice for personal projects unlike the piety ministry postion where the demands are going to be in something like "do something usefull" and "dont harm the citizen with risky experiments" which gives us more freedom to pick up shiny options instead of being reuired to spend all our actions as dictated by the needs of our dutiesYeah. I'm just thinking of all the things we can do with a fourth or even fifth stewardship action for ourselves, like invest in Carine's Canal to pry her from Guin, just to piss off Guin and her mom.
Getting our civilian economy and infrastructure properly developed and running in Australia is going to be intensive process after all.
well, it technically fullfills all my requirements but i wonder why we would need the monopoly on ressource extraction?Now if only we can convince everyone else to meet in the middle and vote for [X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband) ...
Democracy at work here folks
cause we will already get a generous stipend for our ministry position so wont necessarily need the immense profits and are likely able to acuire all the eezo in china because so far nobody knows whats it for
and in case they do figure it out the would revoke the monopoly very quickly because its too high value to leave in our hands
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We are going to have at least an AP for personal projects, and even the AP not for personal projects helps us generate good will towards lelouch and trust from lihua. Meanwhile Lihua's piety could be incredibly bare bones and need a turn or two just to develop the facilities we have on our Island, and even once we have them, their likely much less secure than our ones on new caledonia, and mass producing beneficial psionic tech in china is going to raise our Priority on the anti-psionic hit list.
Take all of that and add it to the rendundancy of china piety when we will soon absorb new heaven in a few turns and we end up over focused on piety when we need extra stewardship to properly develop Australia once we defeat the pirates, and Stewardship starts to shape up as the superior minister position.
Let's us keep what we are extracting discrete, so people don't ask what this blue element Lelouch is securing for himself is so useful for. As long as we aren't selling it lihua won't be paying attention to what we extract.
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ChrisProvidence
Time Traveling Unequal Treaty Destroyer
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- He/Him
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
i doubt that we can rise on the various hitlists because we are the lynchpin for the chinese- britannian alliance in the making while also showing off our psionic talent
short of charles, victor or c.c. there are not gonna be any that are ranked higher in their priority list and openly making a new psionic facility isnt gonna change that
in the middle term i agree with you that stewardship will likely help us more build up our base but right now we will have loads of required projects that were all best done yesterday and what helps us more in the really long term is very much up in the air and a piety postion give even better boni because we are able to use the thought elevators for large scale construction
in the end its a decion of specialising in one field to the exclusion of everything else and achieve even greater feats in it or focusing on several fields to create synergy effects between the disciplines
if we acquire a monopoly on it then people are gonna question why we wanted a monopoly on it, meanwhile if we buy it on the market build a mine for it then it could be seen as excentic behaviour or trying to diversify our portfolio
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That put's us on Europe's list, but apparently Europe and the Anti-Mentalists aren't entirely the same. If we begin distributing Psionic tech that raises the amount of resources they will commit.
I'd say new heaven is currently higher than us and we don't know what exists in African unions, MEF, or india.
We have a monopoly on general resource extraction, and Eezo is found among Rare Earth Elements. As long as we extract and sell the Rare earth elements, or use them for something publicly, people will assume that's our motivation. Currently Lihua thinks we will aim for Sakuradite extraction.
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NH might have more power right now but we got the higher potential for growth and thats true regardless of us publicly researching psionics cause by now they habe to habe realized that we have jaegar in our retinue
Both africa and the mef are anti-psionic which is why we were able to find and recruit tge medic siblings and india is part of the cf and you just spent a long time declaring that the psionics in the cf are so underdeveloped...
I doubt that we would be rewarded with such a broad monopoly instead of being forced to fess up that we want a monopoly on eezo