[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)
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Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
It might be too late but I'm adding another plan for consideration:
This is basically the popular alliance plan except switching out the Piety Ministry for Stewardship (it's leagues better for our agenda), and switching the Formal Treaty for the Research Foundation for those of you cautious about provoking Europe. Thoughts?
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (Stewardship edition)
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Stewardship
-[X] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
[X] Plan: Research and Productivity for A Better China
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
Also, what? We've had QM explicitly say that Lihua intends for the First Husband position to be specifically for Xingke several times now. I'm not sure what gave you this convoluted impression where Lihua wants to seduce him like a secret lover.
Current tally.
This is basically the popular alliance plan except switching out the Piety Ministry for Stewardship (it's leagues better for our agenda), and switching the Formal Treaty for the Research Foundation for those of you cautious about provoking Europe. Thoughts?
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (Stewardship edition)
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Stewardship
-[X] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
[X] Plan: Research and Productivity for A Better China
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
Did you intend to vote for these two plans? They don't seem to have an [X].
Also, what? We've had QM explicitly say that Lihua intends for the First Husband position to be specifically for Xingke several times now. I'm not sure what gave you this convoluted impression where Lihua wants to seduce him like a secret lover.
Current tally.
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We have 50-60 Knights depending on named characters.
And 9 coastal cities to split them among before we consider the big fish, and a swath of undeveloped southern coastal land. I think we will be fine.PIRATE DOSSIERS:
My big thing is, even if your in favor of developing China's likely under developed Piety Ministry through taking the Piety place in her administration, it's still worth grabbing the research foundation for a third learning/Jaeger action to work on his tech tree, which backdoor into everything doesn't do.
Can I convince you to vote for [ ] Plan A Better China? 1st consort, mineral extraction for convenient labor force for building up australia and sourcing elemental zero to our Alchemy lab to get it's full benefits, research foundation for a third learning action for Jaeger tech, and stewardship place in the administration to win Lihua over by aiding her nations recovery, subvert Guinevere's faction so she can't become empress, further HBE and CF economic ties, and win Carine to our side by funding her Canal to boost trade. It's currently only a handful of votes short of the lead.
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Wait…I just realized something…don't we already own a majority stake in the Crowns through the gift we just got from Lihua? All we need to do now is fully take them over through the associated option with that Area governor and then we can just give all that fertile non-occupied land near the west of Avalon or to the East of Botany Bay to our knights.
I mean, I'm not up to date on the entirety of the discussion due to the sheer length of it, but sure, it makes sense that she would in the current situation. I'm just not convinced it's the best arrangement for them given what I expect they want to get out of it, and Lulu's in position to make a good case for it.
Also, in what world being an official emperor-consort equals being seduced like a secret lover? Having more time at court, more domestic, internal and security-oriented duties, would that not be a better deal than being forced to prove to all and sundry that he deserves being second after god on pain of marring his precious Empress' judgement? As opposed to letting the bombastic prince handle the showmanship for the low price of prestige Xingke doesn't care much for anyway?
Oh yeah, sure.
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It's a fairly prudent point that Xingke is neither prepared for the position nor suited for it. It's likely to lead to struggles in there relationship as Lihua becomes less swamped with internal issues and more involved on the international stage.
Essentially, Lihua is a Rosy eyed teenager with a Romantic notion of what having Xingke as her first husband will be like that doesn't match up to reality because she has never truly been empress, never truly dealt with international community, and is still easing her way into war time governance let alone much more tedious and obstacle filled peace time governance.
Overall we have 41½ hours left to figure things out and decide what works best. In particular people should be asking whether we really want to take piety and probably spend time just establishing half of what lelouch already has on his tiny island when we are likely only a few turns short of absorbing the much more Impressive Piety nation state of New Heaven and it's experienced Piety population which we can shape as we will with no interference from anyone else or responsibility to develop things that serve Lihua's aims.
- Location
- Just south of nowhere and a little to the left.
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
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Damn. Thats a hell of a commitment to this plan!
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Alliance without Imperial Marriage and Backdoor to Everything are neck and neck right now, even a single vote could swing it
NoxOfUmbra
Shadow of the night
- Location
- Colombia, South América
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- He/Him/His
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
I'm fine as long as we get to pursue our psionic agenda and get the marriage as second husband, just let Xingke take the top spot. We will seduce Lihua anyway for greater communication and cooperation, better get along.
Tbh, my preferred plan is Imperial Alliance but it's too low on the list rn
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
I'm fine as long as we get to pursue our psionic agenda and get the marriage as second husband, just let Xingke take the top spot. We will seduce Lihua anyway for greater communication and cooperation, better get along.
Tbh, my preferred plan is Imperial Alliance but it's too low on the list rn
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Approval voting as historically been in play for this quest unless I specifically tell people not to.
Which does happen, but it's rare.
For clarification's sake, we ARE using approval voting right now. If you want to. You don't have to vote for more than one plan.
You'd have a larger number of actions total and a separate pool to designate 'Chinese Federation' Piety Actions.
You could move personnel around to focus on either your own or your other obligations, so while there will inevitably be overlap sometimes, it won't monopolize.
You are already tapping it, in point of fact.
Technically speaking, yes it would cover Sakuradite from Indonesia. However, what you don't get is earmarked for internal use by either Indonesia or the Federation itself. This is that whole 'right of first refusal' thing that Lihua wanted. IE: if you discover more (and asking about it implies you might know where to look) she wants the right to be able to purchase any before you ship it out of the country.
Current Tallies work for that.
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Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Just to note there is 1 vote with a typo by inukai44 on the bottom of the tally which has to be manually merged: [X] Plan The Left Hand of The Empress.
Hmm, based on this I don't think your initial premise for an Eezo monopoly is possible @Zrayz10, Lihua still holds the right of first refusal like I suggested - acquiring extraction rights will guarantee a fair share of resource allocation, but not more than that.
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Someone voted while I was typing, had to rerun the tally and caught it on the second one, so it's included now in my post as well.
Lihua would have to know what eezo is and why it's valuable before she would/could call 'dibs' on what's effectively another rare-earth element.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
So if I understand this correctly - the Ministry position will add a bunch of AP and from that combined AP, we can specify and split between 'Personal' and 'Federation' actions as needed?
Would she really take kindly to Lelouch taking advantage by omission like that once she inevitably finds out about its value though? We are hoping to collaborate with China on a bunch of psionic projects.
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Isn't it a bit short-sighted to grab lihua's likely underdeveloped piety when we are just a few turns short of dueling New heavens leader and taking control of his three cities worth of specialized in piety followers and cities likely copying ancient society methods?
It just feels redundant to over focus on piety when we could gain partial control of Quest Earths most resource rich and wealthy economy and still end up in control of 3 cities worth of far more advanced piety focused organization which we wouldn't have to divide our efforts between running it way Lihua wants it run and our personal goals.
That's for sale purposes. When it comes to our own use, such as the Alchemy, it's still ours.
I'd say it's unlikely the significance of the element is ever discovered by nature of Lelouch wanting to keep alchemy labs more secure than they'd be in china, which is another point against Piety position. Likely security issues. Once we start mass producing shit, which will be harder to hide in china than Australia, we'll go up on the Anti-Psionic organizations agenda. Stewardship really is the safer and more logical pick.
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[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
Well I don't know why so many people want to marry the cousin instead of the real deal, so approval vote to the rest of the plans...
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
Well I don't know why so many people want to marry the cousin instead of the real deal, so approval vote to the rest of the plans...
NoxOfUmbra
Shadow of the night
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- Colombia, South América
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- Location
- South of North
More or less, yes.
It depends on how much eezo material you sell outside rather than use in-house. If the vast majority of it stays with you, she'll have far less reason to be truly angry.
Plus, politics.
I simply hope that we will get the marriage with Lihua, no matter if it's as first or second husband. And I really hope that it won't be the marriage with Meihua, that would not only a waste, but also an incredible dick move towards her, completely trapping her in a political marriage, without her having the ability to take another husband, considering it's an incredible break of tradition for Lihua to take more than one.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Why do you assume marrying Meihua precludes romance? If people think romance with Lihua can happen despite the issues for going First Husband, then a relationship with Meihua is just as viable.
Personally, if it weren't for the 'First Husband' option I would wholeheartedly put my backing on [X] Plan A Better China. There's only 4 plans that pick the Stewardship position right now:
- Plan A Better China
- Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
- Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (Stewardship edition)
- Plan A Better China(As Second Husband)
It's fine, any new voters that just vote for the name will automatically count for the earliest version which is the one currently in the lead.
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one thing that i think most people forget or ignore is that the postion of first consort comes with a lot of commitments and public relations which likely makes it another personal action we regularily have to take in adition to the one we have for the promise to euphie
here the relevant quote
i dont know about anyone else but i dont want another action locked in or face backlash
the position of the second consort has no such requirements, though we can easily join any action that catches our fancy because they wont disinvite the second consort
also xingke and lihua will likely reward the lack of hard power we would get from taking the position of first consort with a lot of soft power out of sheer gratitude
nothing to say that euphie recomends it as the best option for us and our plans
that could be nice but one thin it would ensure is that it would build up into two opposing blocks akin to the nato and the warsaw pact and a lot of proxy wars as hinted here
and australia would be an ideal place for a proxy war so if we take the defensive treaty then we should also take also
because while normally we would be able to conquer australia with the favours and armies we already have one that is set to become the TTL equivalent of afghanistan as our enemy is not on my to do list so best get the conquest over as fast as possible before the EU can send much support to resist our conquest
EDIT: i also question why so many vote for the mineral monopoly or the taklamahan
the first one is a rare minaral that nobody has so far found a use for so we can easily aquire it on the market or start a company to that effect (and if the do know of its value they would break our monopoly so its value is extremly temporary)
and the second can be gotten through favour trading in court because its another cheap and easy favour to grant
so the plan i could see myself support wholeheartedly is
[X] Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + a different Agenda.
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King of Discord
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[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
@Dark0 has a point it would be a complete waste to marry her cousin. After all, I seem to remember the whole reason we got involved in the civil war was to marry the Empress of China.
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan A Better China
[X] Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
@Dark0 has a point it would be a complete waste to marry her cousin. After all, I seem to remember the whole reason we got involved in the civil war was to marry the Empress of China.