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Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

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Heraldier said:
Except in this case Genbu has divided his country in half against his faction, and is totally infiltrated by Lelouch's ninjas. There won't be a war, there will be a swift coup as he is toppled from power between all the instability, ninjas, political/diplomatic censure, and threat of military domination between two superpowers... You know, like what happened in canon but even worse?
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You have a rather optimistic view while I lean on the pesimistic side.
For one Genbu had enough support to almost become Prime Minister for Life (or was it making the position hereditary and it already is for life).
The super ninjas were being destroyed by Japanese mundane intelligence agencies before we came in and offered them immigration to our island. The same ninjas lost against other modern security groups.
He had enough support to launch this attempt at taking over China with the Eunuchs. He still has enough support for the Japanese military to put a military base on an island outside Guangzhou.
We still worry about potential problems with allowing Kallen to go to Japan.
Resonant said:
I don't think players really grasp the implications of the Stewardship Ministry - despite the greater resources, the sheer workload and oversight involved will probably make it a net loss for Lelouch as he gets bogged down with China's recovery instead of focusing on his own psionic projects and conquest/development of Australia. We're still limited to 2-3 actions per turn so there is a very real risk of being stretched even thinner as Lihua requests more of our attention on China AND Federation politics.
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@Slayer Anderson A question about the advisor position. Wasn't it stated that we would have a separate category of actions for our Advisor position in addition to our normal actions? It wouldn't be using our Stewardship/Intrigue/Piety actions?
 
As long as no one does something astronomically stupid like say trying to marry Kallen to Suzaku the trip should be fine and at that point the questers might very well decide to throw down against Japan if it's against Kallen's wishes(which it almost certainly would be).


[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
 
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[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[X] Plan Backdoor to everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
 
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[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress

[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
 
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
 
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[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress

[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
 
Hawkmoon said:
You have a rather optimistic view while I lean on the pesimistic side.
For one Genbu had enough support to almost become Prime Minister for Life (or was it making the position hereditary and it already is for life).
The super ninjas were being destroyed by Japanese mundane intelligence agencies before we came in and offered them immigration to our island. The same ninjas lost against other modern security groups.
He had enough support to launch this attempt at taking over China with the Eunuchs. He still has enough support for the Japanese military to put a military base on an island outside Guangzhou.
We still worry about potential problems with allowing Kallen to go to Japan.
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The super ninjas got caught by mundane intelligence agencies because they got complacent and underestimated them, Lelouch's takeover of the ninja clans have shaken them out of that. Genbu almost became a King by taking advantage of the Taiwan terrorist hysteria with Britannian informal support due to the KMF deal.

Genbu still had leftover political capital for the Lihua coup attempt because it was an internal factional dispute. In a potential reactionary Japan scenario, Genbu will lose Britannian support, Taiwan will be cut off making him even more unpopular domestically, his Sumeragi rivals rally internal opposition, Lelouch's ninjas wreck havoc, the alliance facilitates Sakuradite shipments with the Sumeragi/Stadtfeld directly instead of going through Japanese customs, etc.

Indonesia's sakuradite supply undercuts Japan's monopoly enough to blockade them for internal regime change if it is truly needed.
 
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Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
Plan Backdoor to Everything

Plan A Better China
Plan A Better China(as Second Husband)

Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + a different Agenda.
Plan A Better China with Uncle Victor

Plan: Research and Productivity for A Better China

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One Autumn Leaf said:
Also what's the logic behind not going for the "Claims in Australia" bit? I believe that was the whole point of it no?
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We have plenty of military assets to conquer Australia ourselves, and we can easily negotiate for a few Chinese fleets without spending a reward here since it's one of the cheapest things for Lihua to provide us. If we marry her + become one of her Ministers, we can easily find a few (gigantic) fleets to borrow. This reward would allow us to call on the entire Federation Navy at once (China/India/ASIA) which is somewhat wasteful for a reward - keep in mind that Chinese fleets are huge lol (million casualty loss memes). China has already backed our land claim of Australia from the Indonesian Conference, so this reward is about "complete military overkill" more than anything.

Slayer Anderson said:
Nunnally is able to directly ask about aid in conquering Australia and the Empress is quick to affirm that, once this crisis is over a fleet, or even two, will be made available for Lelouch to force the pirates to bend the knee. This is a relatively modest favor to ask and one easily granted.
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Slayer Anderson said:
Against one of the main Chinese fleets and attached infantry/marine divisions? Next turn, the Xingke is going to begin landing troops, once he finishes, he will be putting more boots on the ground than every other faction here combined. That's just foot soldiers, not even touching on the Gun-Ru units, crew-served weaponry, artillery, and the hundreds of thousands of metric tons of ammunition they brought with them.
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Slayer Anderson said:
Also, Xiamen and Quanzhou are lightly defended, but by Chinese standards. China redefines human wave tactics. It is not at all recommended to split your forces like this.
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Slayer Anderson said:
More Peng Dehuai than Napoleon, yes, but historically Chinese armies/governments have very high tolerances for casualties compared to western armies.

This is just one of those things that comes with having the largest population of any nation on earth for most, if not all, of history. The lives of individual soldiers in Chinese armies are very cheap on average.
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[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Stewardship
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.

[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
-[X] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
 
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Hawkmoon said:
Slayer Anderson A question about the advisor position. Wasn't it stated that we would have a separate category of actions for our Advisor position in addition to our normal actions? It wouldn't be using our Stewardship/Intrigue/Piety actions?
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I expect we'll get +1 action from the Ministry at most, I don't see us getting an entirely new/separate category of actions because that would break the current turn mechanics - Slayer has said a 3rd action requires a national organization on the level of state actors, that's what a Ministry position is.

So yeah, I oppose the combination of First Husband + Stewardship Minister because that's basically sacrificing Lelouch's current agenda as the quest suddenly changes gear into "China Development Plan Quest".
 
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (Stewardship edition)
[X] Plan Land Grab
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't get the reluctance to support my plan. As resonant pointed out the stewardship position would have us stuck rebuilding a war torn nation unless we somehow get an entire seperate section of actions which I very much doubt is the case. And if we are stuck fixing China it would distract us from psionic research. And without being distracted from rebuilding China we could spend our stewardship action on other things. Technically speaking we are still responsible for our island holdings and will also need stewardship actions when we finally take over Australia. My plan avoids that pitfall but still lets us dig up whatever minerals we need whether it be Sakuradite or Eezo and gives us a bonus psionic research action. At least that's how it appears to be baring any word from Slayer. My plan also basically backs the pirates into a no win situation. The EU is not gonna risk a war with the combined military force of both major superpowers over either Japan or a bunch of pirates. Irl the reason everyone is so paranoid about China in the South China Sea is that they are terrified of them forcing their way past the major strategic bottleneck that is the Straits of Malacca which in this quest is controlled by a member state of the federation. We could literally seal that bottleneck off, put a shitload of boats with AA guns around Japan, and starve them out thereby forcing them to capitulate without having to invade…while at the same still keep the engines of Britannia supplied with Sakuradite via the agreement we have with Indonesia.
 
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Wiggy said:
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (piety edition)
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
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LysanderArgent said:
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage + Piety Advisor
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
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Heraldier said:
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage + Piety Advisor
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Kymecho said:
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
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@Wiggy @LysanderArgent @Heraldier just fyi you're voting for the exact same plan as the one called "Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage" if you want to edit your votes so it'll show up together in the tally rather than separate versions, due to the name.
 
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[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress

[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything

[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

I do think we should ask for help with australia
 
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Resonant said:
@Wiggy just fyi your new plan is the exact same as this other one so it's unnecessary to avoid cluttering the vote tally.
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You know, I thought it had been, but then I saw this on the same page and got confused. It'd be nice if we didn't have 2 plans with the same name.
TheWoo said:
[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
-[X] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.
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Resonant said:
I expect we'll get +1 action from the Ministry at most, I don't see us getting an entirely new/separate category of actions because that would break the current turn mechanics - Slayer has said a 3rd action requires a national organization on the level of state actors, that's what a Ministry position is.

So yeah, I oppose the combination of First Husband + Stewardship Minister because that's basically sacrificing Lelouch's current agenda as the quest suddenly changes gear into "China Development Plan Quest".
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I'm basing my interpretation on this quote:
Slayer Anderson said:
It's very likely that you could also volunteer to take over one of the bigger ministries to help Lihua out (totally not a power grab). Lihua would give you broad marching orders and, as long as you stayed within them or could give good reasons why you stepped outside them, you'd be fine. This would, in effect, place you in charge of running one of Lihua's action-sets per turn. Military, Stewardship, Learning, Intrigue, etc... Also, Lihua would give you carte blanche to do whatever you wanted in Australia as long as you don't start a war with another major power. That's not her business.
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The important part of this quote is that as a Minister we would be using Lihua's action set for completing the job but with our stats as the advisor and with a budget given by her. So if Lihua has 3 Stewardship actions then we decide which of the actions are performed.
We might still use our own actions to support Lihua's actions like getting Milly to work on a project or using our spies in Intrigue to root out corruption. But we should be performing our own actions.
Similar to how Milly is working as our Stewardship advisor but at the same time she has her own set of actions due to being in charge of her company. Or how Nunnally has her own fiefdom.

I just asked Slayer for clarification as I remembered that quote.

With Stewardship we will have the biggest impact on China's restoration and can skim less of Lihua's actions for our own projects unless we want her cross with us. On the other hand if we use our Britannian contacts that have experience in bringing up under developed Areas up to speed we will be able to increase the Chinese budget and maybe convince Lihua to assign some of the extra profits into a space program.
With Piety we will have the most freedom in our projects and pursuing our private goals but also the resources we are given will be the smallest and most likely won't grow unless the Stewardship advisor is another super genius when it comes to Stewardship. Or we turn our ministry into a gold mine. And 25+ stats are extremely rare.
 
Resonant said:
@Wiggy @LysanderArgent @Heraldier just fyi you're voting for the exact same plan as the one called "Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage" if you want to edit your votes so it'll show up together in the tally rather than separate versions, due to the name.
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I'm voting for every plan I can find that isn't voting to ask to marry Empress. If you actually look at the vote counts I'm already being counted as voted for the [X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage , but I'm also counted for the others. So it doesn't matter other than being cluttered and confusing with plans with almost identical names.

Edit: I removed one of my votes because I was the only person voting for it.
 
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