Luminous
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Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest
kelgar04
Knight Watcher
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- Here and no were
[X][EXTINCTION] Only bombard worthless rocks. You want to preserve anything you know to contain valuable resources or facilities, but there's no harm in scratching the worthless asteroids that the Rachni occupy purely to be a pain in the ass off the list.
[X][MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[X][FAVOR] Ask for something on behalf of the Terminus Alliance, which they will pick, in exchange for one vote of your choice passed without a veto in the Council.
[X][PLAN] Plan Business as usual even if they are Ardat-Yakshi.
-[X] Republics cooperation. How closely will you work with the experts in this field? They will have conditions.
--[X] You will pass information on ardat-yakshi fugitives back and forth, but little more (you must take no options marked, [BREACH].
-[X] Scope of reveal. You can do nothing to compel others to keep the secret save whatever is available to you, in-character.
--[X] You will establish a formal government agency to handle the matter of ardat-yakshi within Commonwealth space.
-[X] Ardat-yakshi recruits. Do they have a place in these efforts?
--[X] You'll recruit them in advisory capacities to inform policy.
-[X] Aim of efforts. What are you planning on doing about the ardat-yakshi? To an extent all of these will happen, but what is your point?
--[X] Treatment and support. Fundamentally, this is a public health issue, and you'll treat it as such with an eye to allowing victims to function in society as best they can.
[X][MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[X][FAVOR] Ask for something on behalf of the Terminus Alliance, which they will pick, in exchange for one vote of your choice passed without a veto in the Council.
[X][PLAN] Plan Business as usual even if they are Ardat-Yakshi.
-[X] Republics cooperation. How closely will you work with the experts in this field? They will have conditions.
--[X] You will pass information on ardat-yakshi fugitives back and forth, but little more (you must take no options marked, [BREACH].
-[X] Scope of reveal. You can do nothing to compel others to keep the secret save whatever is available to you, in-character.
--[X] You will establish a formal government agency to handle the matter of ardat-yakshi within Commonwealth space.
-[X] Ardat-yakshi recruits. Do they have a place in these efforts?
--[X] You'll recruit them in advisory capacities to inform policy.
-[X] Aim of efforts. What are you planning on doing about the ardat-yakshi? To an extent all of these will happen, but what is your point?
--[X] Treatment and support. Fundamentally, this is a public health issue, and you'll treat it as such with an eye to allowing victims to function in society as best they can.
I keep going back and forth on this favor. It makes a ot of sense to just take the investment, it's what the Volus are good at, we just got out of economic problems, and a strong Virmire is what we're leading the quest toward. In addition, I don't particularly want to fund the Jondam Corpos.
On the other hand, if it works and helps us strengthen Terminus and give us more influence it'd probably be worth it. We're already one of the stronger polities in the alliance and we have a bad history of completely underestimating diplomacy options and ignoring the Terminus. Having a free vote for whenever we mess up, or to ram through some legislation that really benefits us (not something we can get conventionally) could be really helpful. It really does come down to how committed we are to Terminus and how invested we are in sticking it to the council with them.
Though I do expect something like "we vote to be in charge of the Terminus Alliance, thanks for joining the Attican Commonwealth" would probably still be vetoed lol.
On the other hand, if it works and helps us strengthen Terminus and give us more influence it'd probably be worth it. We're already one of the stronger polities in the alliance and we have a bad history of completely underestimating diplomacy options and ignoring the Terminus. Having a free vote for whenever we mess up, or to ram through some legislation that really benefits us (not something we can get conventionally) could be really helpful. It really does come down to how committed we are to Terminus and how invested we are in sticking it to the council with them.
Though I do expect something like "we vote to be in charge of the Terminus Alliance, thanks for joining the Attican Commonwealth" would probably still be vetoed lol.
- Location
- South Africa
While I doubt that the alliance will collapse right away I think it should stabilise. It's fairly early on in its inception 2-3 decades ago and while It might happen the fact that in cannon they never got the chance to stabilize probably played a part in that.
We just need time and it should actually stabilise into something that will last. Hopefully in the next 20-40 years and actually be a solid alliance.
Also us being a part of it means other polities will have to shape up to keep their influence. So the warlords and corporations running roughshod over everyone will actually have to start setting up proper systems to keep the influence they have now that they have a peer.
True, sadly some of those polities are being pissy about their monopoly no longer only having external competition to deal with. Things need to stabilize or the council will pick at our differences and tear us apart when no threat remains.
The only real way yo stabilise things when one side wants to run rough shod over the rest of our fellow members since they can't even push back against it.
We either grow strong enough to keep the balance till it stabilises or we're gonna have to get creative with legislation to help things along.
I'm less worried about the Batarians at the moment their still on track to getting rid of slavery. As long as they never get cut off and suffer so much trauma that they turn out like the Canon hegemony. Right now their not to bad so as long as we keep them in contact it should be fine. As it stands though it's decades or centuries away from being a issue I hope. (If we link up and we start suffering slaver raids though their gonna be consequences)
If we do get the vote I'm not aiming that veto at giving us a hand it's going out to the whole Terminus alliance and it'll be to start help stabilizing it.
Thing is, by not investing more into the Alliance, one runs the risk of turning the belief that "the Alliance is doomed to splinter" into a self-fulfilling prophecy. As a polity, it is rather newer than the Citadel (and rather weaker), though that is why the Attican Commonwealth has as much influence as it does - it is a very big fish in a small pond, so its not a surprise that in canon, it would have been broken apart by the Citadel after the war - possibly through the Asari and Salarians acting more directly, possibly through the actions of the Batarians (who in canon were pretty much the Council's guard dog against the Terminus for a long while).
But the situation now isn't quite the same as then, given that the Commonwealth now exists and is a part of the Alliance, bringing with it a considerable amount of military might and now, learning, among other things. Aside from that, we do have some diplomatic relations with the other powers in the area, notably the Batarians, with whom we maintain a military mission, which might help prevent any heavy-handed maneuvers from that angle, and the Quarians, whose technology could prove quite useful in the long run, especially if they can be brought into the fold of the Alliance.
In order to do that though, we do need to invest some effort into developing the Alliance into a more attractive option as opposed to the Citadel. Like it or not, we chose to join the Alliance over the Citadel for the benefits we could receive - it is thus in our interest to try and make the organization stronger and more enduring, given that if it collapses, we effectively have two choices: 1) Join the Citadel, given that they'd be the only remaining game in town, only this time without the perks we were initially offered; or 2) Try to make it on our own, which I don't see as being particularly viable in the long run.
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There some policies that we'll never be able to pass conventionally, like one to claim shadow sea for virmire in the event it's taken, or getting everyone else to start passing around their good tech, or getting them to fork over Pheonix Massing to Rannoch as part of a deal to get them to join terminus, or unpopular policy changes about how the dictators run things.
Our economy is not perfect, no. We are coming off of 50 years of total isolation with no trade. Our economy is imbalanced because it was neccessary for quite a while. We have taken steps to fix that and it worked. We got 5 decades of advancement in industrial tools from the citadel. Trade resumed, our standardized civilians vessels production was a massive success, we used the money from both to invest in the commonwealths consumer goods industry, sold battlecruiser expertise and theory to the galaxy to massive profit, and revolutionized our entire energy market. It was also one of the biggest focuses of the timeskip.
We are possibly the second best off or third best off economy in the terminus alliance at this at this point, with only the ones selling Eezo and warships in a time of war for decades during our isolation possible doing better than us. It's an unstable economy both because it's been overclocked by synergizing successes and resumption of trade as well as imbalance between the civilian and military industry, but it's not in a crisis.
Frankly it seems like a lot of people just see the fact that their are problems with the economy, which is natural, and conflate that to us being in a crisis, because it's hard to rap their minds around the big picture of how much success we've had fixing our economy across multiple turns. Your conflating one of half a dozen issues into an all consuming crisis that could implode on us any day.
No but if we conquered a cluster, it would go to vote, which never resolve in any one cluster claiming it normally. Hades gamma is a ways off in my opinion, but Shadow sea could be claimed in a reasonable time frame as part of the next big clash.
Actually, every system claimed ends up voted on, they simply never agree normally. Guess what isn't normal? A guaranteed waving of any one vote through the council.
The terminus alliance is perfectly willing to work together to pry systems from the Rachni whether they get control of them or not. Shadow sea for instance is one less Relay into Carlston Rift the Rachni can coordinate to send fleets through.
While I imagine holding the shadow sea by advancing our defenses in the maroon sea a relay forward would be well within our ability, the joint fleets would be available to come to our aid or even contribute a battle fleet possibly once we do the prep work by passing mitilary integration. The main obstacle to coordination in a space coalition for survival and attempt too assert independence is red tape and infrastructural preparation, not some imagined unwillingness of it's members to work together against a genocidal foe.
Indeed. The terminus alliance has shaky foundations and some longterm issues that need to be addressed, which is why Suval wants Mira to be the stand out bastion of a ruler for her people which forces change, and is still highly committed to singing our graces despite questionable circumstances in the maroon sea.
They are however, the polity coming out of the wars most recent attack more intact, more united by the fact that the council is on the back foot and seems like a less viable prospect for switching to than normal. Some work could see this furthered and the TA further united. For instance, a series of backroom deals to more tightly bind their individual polities together economically as part of negotiations over the volus favor?
The terminus alliance did not win a race to the heart of the galaxy and expand in relative peace for centuries, but anyone just assuming that they simply can't be somewhat rehabilitated into something more united and cooperative in the decades of war that yet remain is just being a tad pessimistic.
I think this is going to be forgotten largely if giving them the volus favor wins, let alone in the aftermath of a major victory, not that either matters much in the face of a "this legislator passes, because the commonwealth did us a solid in 515".
That said, hades Gamma, while close to the commonwealth and no one else, is on the vulnerable side. 3 relay jumps from the nearest terminus reinforcements, further from Replublic of Rannoch reinforcements, and a relay hub connected to 4 Rachni controlled clusters that have gone untouched for a relative majority of the war.
Shadow sea is a more likely prospect, especially since it would essentially be just moving our fleets guarding Maroon sea a relay forward, and is still just a relay jump for terminus to reinforce, and lowers the amount of pressure the Rachni can bring against Carlston, which makes it easier to convince the Terminus alliance to assist in conquering it..
In general, there is this undertone of lack of faith in the terminus alliance, lack of interest of building up the alliance rather than only building up the Commonwealth, and general indifference to whether it survives past the war among some of the questers. Hopefully the majority can recognize the value in stronger trade partners and allies and recognize that if their are problems in the way terminus is structured, than a political leverage to restructure it(trading the volus favor to terminus) is the key to turning terminus into an alliance that is both capable and worthy of survival.
[x] [EXTINCTION] Only bombard worthless rocks. You want to preserve anything you know to contain valuable resources or facilities, but there's no harm in scratching the worthless asteroids that the Rachni occupy purely to be a pain in the ass off the list.
[x] [MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[x] [PLAN] Plan Business as usual even if they are Ardat-Yakshi.
[x] [FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
I'm convinced on the Maroon Sea deployments, if this is just an immediate stopgap instead of long term policy then we can probably afford to forward-deploy our current reserves for long enough to build other defenses. That said, I do think the Rachni are being chronically underestimated in general. The war didn't take centuries in canon because they were stupid or inflexible, they will be back with good barriers on a much shorter timeline than a lot of you expect, I think.
As for the favor, I still heavily prefer economic ties to the Volus more than selling it off for a political favor. The Commonwealth is surviving pretty well but it can always be stronger, and getting access to Volus capital is critical to sustaining a non-war economy that can actually compete on the galactic level. We need them as our man on the inside with the Citadel, so to speak, if a bunch of Vol Union credits and citizens are tied up in Commonwealth space then that's a very long term incentive to stay invested in our prosperity if they ever want their money back/want their colonists to prosper in a filthy rich and stable cluster instead of being beset by god only knows what horrors.
[x] [MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[x] [PLAN] Plan Business as usual even if they are Ardat-Yakshi.
[x] [FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
I'm convinced on the Maroon Sea deployments, if this is just an immediate stopgap instead of long term policy then we can probably afford to forward-deploy our current reserves for long enough to build other defenses. That said, I do think the Rachni are being chronically underestimated in general. The war didn't take centuries in canon because they were stupid or inflexible, they will be back with good barriers on a much shorter timeline than a lot of you expect, I think.
As for the favor, I still heavily prefer economic ties to the Volus more than selling it off for a political favor. The Commonwealth is surviving pretty well but it can always be stronger, and getting access to Volus capital is critical to sustaining a non-war economy that can actually compete on the galactic level. We need them as our man on the inside with the Citadel, so to speak, if a bunch of Vol Union credits and citizens are tied up in Commonwealth space then that's a very long term incentive to stay invested in our prosperity if they ever want their money back/want their colonists to prosper in a filthy rich and stable cluster instead of being beset by god only knows what horrors.
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- South Africa
Agreed, for that matter we've changed things enough that they're not overconfident now, so they'll be far more cautious. Also, we are in for a much longer war if what I read is right, maybe it's shorter since the Terminus Alliance didn't shatter.
So while yes technically we're in a better place than canon, the Rachni are also in a good spot, they might have lost some territory but their massive fleets are still mostly intact and capable of being a threat and the citadel is while not out of the war for long, it's gonna take a bit and by the time they are able to push again and I doubt the Citadels warships will have as much of an edge in tech than we would like so were in for a long war and not an easy one, especially if the Rachni get the chance to develop more systems and set up a second planet for indoctrinating their commanders in the future to deal with the fact we are becoming a larger threat.
Here's a quote from the stewardship section of the Status screen.
"Virmire is an incredibly prosperous system -- the surrounding systems even more so -- but you have difficulty leveraging those resources. Two centuries of poorly-managed or desperation-driven development has resulted in a badly stretched infrastructure, and the corruption of the previous administration has done you no favors. You have, throughout your administration, worked tirelessly to address these issues, but there remains a lot of work to be done.
Between financial difficulties and the ever-hungry maw of the war effort, however, you have been forced to prioritize gains over reform time and again in order to accrue enough supplies for the war effort. Your budget is more secure now than it ever have been before, but that is largely the result of renewed trade with the wider galaxy and your increasing exploitation of resources within your own territory. To tell the truth, what you have is an inefficient mess, but you have had precious few opportunities to address that. Furthermore, while you have plenty of resources now, you don't fool yourself that this will persist; there's always another expense coming, and you have at least one more vast expansion planned for your Navy, and an overhaul of your Army that promises to be ruinous."
Yes, you are right, there's no looming crisis (at least not looming until after the war is over at which point there will be a crash, explicitly mentioned by the QM as definitely happening, but that's still a long ways off) but that doesn't mean that our economy is actually healthy. We are currently in a good position relatively, better than we've ever been. But we're about to spend a crap ton of money improving our Army, and expanding our Navy. Dropping our budget significantly, and that investment from the Volus is going to help us out a lot in handling that in a relatively healthy way for our economy. Without it we're going to have a lot more issues.
Now I'm not saying our economy is going to crash again without it, but it doesn't need to crash for us to still be barely scraping by and having issues. We joined the Terminus Alliance under the idea that doing so will lead us to prominence, and the investment is how we keep that prominence. We can't stagnate, we have to continue to grow and prosper and succeed again and again militarily or we'll never end up a true power within the Alliance. This investment will help us do that.
Bear in mind, our free non-veto vote from that action isn't a all powerful non-veto vote pass anything kind of deal. Its not worth getting us a cluster. Its a planet's worth of favor, and that's as far as our non-veto vote goes. Otherwise we could use it to declare the Attican Commonwealth first amongst the Alliance and can tell the rest what to do. Or to have them give us clusters. Some policy stuff, sure. But it is limited.
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- Italy
wait, did the Krogan HAVE a council seat? I thought they were only affiliated, so ambassador but no council!
[X][EXTINCTION] Only bombard worthless rocks. You want to preserve anything you know to contain valuable resources or facilities, but there's no harm in scratching the worthless asteroids that the Rachni occupy purely to be a pain in the ass off the list.
Once we upgrade the army I'm all for using it a lot, so I'm fine with only avoiding conquering the "worthless rocks". Hopefully there won't be hidden precursor labs or storage in them.
[X][MAROON] In force. All three raiding fleets are now coming off of patrol duties, and the 2nd Battle Fleet is held in Sentry Omega for situations that require a reserve, just such as this one. Send all of them to Maroon Sea while you figure out a more permanent solution. If the Rachni have decided they've smelled weakness, they'll be terminally disappointed.
I'm hoping they attack and we get to counter their ambush. This would make it look as if we left Maroon Sea unguarded to provoke the Rachni into an attack.
[X][FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
I slightly favour the personal economy boost over the terminus anti-veto, but it's a close thing.
[X][PLAN] Plan Business as usual even if they are Ardat-Yakshi.
we don't want to provoke the Asari right now, nor make the Salarian even MORE paranoid. I disagree that AY should stay a secret long term, but I agree with Matriarch Kirai that the reveal needs to be done tactfully, if/when is done.
Yeah, wait until after the war and drop that bomb to tear apart the Asari and salarian unity on the council lol.
Actually, how do they handle ties on a 2 person council? What, does it go up for debate among the affiliates?
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- A beautiful new land, at once alien and familiar.
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[X][EXTINCTION] Only bombard worthless rocks. You want to preserve anything you know to contain valuable resources or facilities, but there's no harm in scratching the worthless asteroids that the Rachni occupy purely to be a pain in the ass off the list.
[X][MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[X][FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
[X][PLAN] Plan Choices.
-[X] Republics cooperation. How closely will you work with the experts in this field? They will have conditions.
--[X] You will pass information on ardat-yakshi fugitives back and forth, but little more (you must take no options marked, [BREACH].
-[X] Scope of reveal. You can do nothing to compel others to keep the secret save whatever is available to you, in-character.
--[X] You will inform your sub-faction within the Cooperatives faction of the ardat-yakshi secret, and fold them into your policies.
-[X] Ardat-yakshi recruits. Do they have a place in these efforts?
--[X] You'll recruit them in advisory capacities to inform policy.
-[X] Aim of efforts. What are you planning on doing about the ardat-yakshi? To an extent all of these will happen, but what is your point?
--[X] Treatment and support. Fundamentally, this is a public health issue, and you'll treat it as such with an eye to allowing victims to function in society as best they can.
[X][MAROON] Conventionally. Deploy the 2nd Battle Fleet to Maroon Sea. Have one of your raiding fleets pick up patrol duties in Sentry Omega. That will provide a powerful deterrent to any attempts at moving in, and if the rachni try anyway, you should be able to hold long enough to bring in reinforcements.
[X][FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
[X][PLAN] Plan Choices.
-[X] Republics cooperation. How closely will you work with the experts in this field? They will have conditions.
--[X] You will pass information on ardat-yakshi fugitives back and forth, but little more (you must take no options marked, [BREACH].
-[X] Scope of reveal. You can do nothing to compel others to keep the secret save whatever is available to you, in-character.
--[X] You will inform your sub-faction within the Cooperatives faction of the ardat-yakshi secret, and fold them into your policies.
-[X] Ardat-yakshi recruits. Do they have a place in these efforts?
--[X] You'll recruit them in advisory capacities to inform policy.
-[X] Aim of efforts. What are you planning on doing about the ardat-yakshi? To an extent all of these will happen, but what is your point?
--[X] Treatment and support. Fundamentally, this is a public health issue, and you'll treat it as such with an eye to allowing victims to function in society as best they can.
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- Italy
well, it's a nice card to have over the Asari if they get too pushy and arrogant with us, at least.
Of course making the Salarian ultra-paranoid is bad for us as well... but while it might be problematic for the Terminus, it will destroy the Citadel Council if we go at it in a bad way(or good, depending on point of view)
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- United Kingdom
It definitely feels like Social Programs should be our next choice for Stewardship now the Yulair Power rollouts have finished.
@PoptartProdigy w.r.t. how they're treating the first person killed by her condition, it shouldn't be in any way her fault but it's getting brought up with the arguments for execution and imprisonment, which feels like it's down to Mira's/the asari's bias against ardat-yakshi? Not sure if I'm reading too much into this or not.
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- Italy
It's more about the other 6, really. saying "6 beside the first one" doesn't really change the core of the message
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Yeah. Like. 80-85% of the Commonwealth industry feeds into it's shipyards one way or another, which are managed to deal with extensive ship attrition or creation. It's unavoidable. There is just nothing in the aftermath of the war that needs that much shipbuilding of any kind that we could try and convert our shipyards into to keep the larger portion of our industrial economy running, and I doubt it can drop below 70% before the end of the war.
We are already the most powerful in the terminus alliance.
It's a fact. We have the resources and wealth approaching Omega and Korlus, and naval strength approaching the MIC and frontier confederacy, with population neither of the later too can claim. We aren't the best at anything, but we close to the best in a number of things. I don't agree that we are going to find ourselves scraping the barrel in 6 or more turns if we don't take this. Past that more Yulair techs based on Automation and Manufacturing will come and bring significant boost to our economy and serve as leverage to trade for further support down the line. Loading and unloading by itself is going to cheapen our logistics costs by tens of thousands of credits, possibly even reaching 6 digit numbers of income regain. The notion that we have to get investments to stay ahead of drain is simply pessimistic catastrophizing.
That said, as long as it's clear to everyone voting that we are not in an economic crisis, as some people have been implying, nor is one impending in the short term or likely even medium term, I'm satisfied that my point has been made. I agree that investments would be a good thing to have, there just not the best thing to have in my opinion.
This is not just any garden worlds value. It's a volus one. Higher value than just your typical planet. Further more any system we seek claim is going to be of greatly lower value do Rachni infestation, border system status, need to construct naval basing and further system patrols, ect. All of that, combined with a strong political block already in favor of it, and the legislature fall within our anti vetos ability to pass.
There aren't. PP confirmed previously that precursor sites would only be at risk if we voted for more than worthless rocks. Nothing they'll be firing at will have anything of importance.
Consider then the fact that right now, whatever happens, the terminus is feeling iffy about us right now because all their thinking about is us leaving Maroon Sea undefended. if the Rachni don't attack, wouldn't it be good if the Terminus Alliance Leaders had a nice volus favor to be distracted with arguing over? Wouldn't it be good if the citizens of terminus had this big morale boost from hope of what this could do for their polity to distract them from their doubts about the commonwealth?
Also, the volus favor is restricted by being part of the council, who are nominally rivals. We'll be much less restricted in the nature of legislature we can use this to pass.
There two person council with staff and aids in the hundreds keeping them up to date on galactic minutia and significant events. Kirai was part of the original matriarch who negotiated the citadel accords with the Salarians staff.
Social Programs can wait until year 38. Military Production Expansion is more critical, and taking it year 37 and Army Mechanization year 38 would allow Army Mechanization to complete by year 44 the latest. In addition we can expedite Social programs year 38 for only 32000 credits more.
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God Save The Queen
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- Victoria, BC, Canada
Maybe. Or maybe the sunk cost falicy could kick in and you hitch yourself to a sinking ship trying to bail it out with a bucket. Both are possible, and until the situation changes I'm not willing to pretend otherwise.
Yeah, Military Production Expansion halves the length of a potentially 10 year project. We need that ASAP
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[X][FAVOR] Investment. The finances of Irune are without equal. You want that money moving to prop up enterprises within your space, on generous terms.
So all self-justification aside, it comes across to the Alliance as a self-aggrandizing move that we lacked the strength to back up, or lacked the judgment to realize we need to back up, or both. It's important to be able to recognize mistakes like this and how other people will see them, without just falling into the pattern of remembering/creating reasons why we were actually right every time.
The point being that this is a bad time to ask the Terminus Alliance for more territory, at least until a little time has passed and the lack of security in Maroon Sea is no longer at the forefront of their minds.
Part of the problem is that trying to occupy territory we can't secure effectively creates vulnerabilities. On some level, even just letting the rachni stay there un-bothered would be better than claiming it but not securing it. Because then at least we'd know there was a rachni force there, rather than having it come roaring out at us in a big nasty surprise.
So all self-justification aside, it comes across to the Alliance as a self-aggrandizing move that we lacked the strength to back up, or lacked the judgment to realize we need to back up, or both. It's important to be able to recognize mistakes like this and how other people will see them, without just falling into the pattern of remembering/creating reasons why we were actually right every time.
The point being that this is a bad time to ask the Terminus Alliance for more territory, at least until a little time has passed and the lack of security in Maroon Sea is no longer at the forefront of their minds.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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No, guys, you don't get it, we need the favor so that, after we colonize Xibek Sha, the Terminus Alliance will allow us to spin it off as a new sovereign state within the Alliance, The Principality of Yulair, in personal union with the Attican Commonwealth, so that Mira can sit on her throne as the Prince of Yulair.
(her shuttle's callsign would obviously be FRESH)
(her shuttle's callsign would obviously be FRESH)
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- United Kingdom
Yeah. It won't matter to them that the failure to expedite the Occupation Patrols delayed us properly securing the cluster, only that it happened at all.
It's one of the reasons I'm happy to give them a Raiding Fleet instead of a Battle Fleet, if it'll buy more good will with our allies.
It's one of the reasons I'm happy to give them a Raiding Fleet instead of a Battle Fleet, if it'll buy more good will with our allies.
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"The Ship I'm on might sink in five decades to a century. Rather than do anything to prevent this, I'm going wait and see if it can avoid sinking on it's own, lending aid only when it becomes apparent it's not going to sink, that way if it does sink, I won't have wasted any effort or resources in trying to keep it afloat."
Does anyone think the above course of action is a logical or sane one? I certainly hope not.
We have decades to commit the modicum of effort needed to help the Alliance stabilize, grow in power, and come out the war a more functional coalition of polities. What Polity with ambitions of achieving one of the win conditions and defeating the reapers wouldn't have the strength of character to even try?
Does anyone think the above course of action is a logical or sane one? I certainly hope not.
We have decades to commit the modicum of effort needed to help the Alliance stabilize, grow in power, and come out the war a more functional coalition of polities. What Polity with ambitions of achieving one of the win conditions and defeating the reapers wouldn't have the strength of character to even try?
- Location
- Italy
I was thinking there might be some we might just fail to notice, as the Rachni might make it look as it's just a "worthless rock".
Then again, good to hear if true.
sure, it would be good.
I just think direct economic investment would be better. Our economy is not in crisis, but it IS a bit of a mess, and the Volus would know to direct funding where it could drive the highest returns.
I'm also not sure what I'd want to use the anti-veto on. Do you have a specific idea as of right now? Best I can think of is something to make the military more effective, (unified command), or something to basically make internal trading easier/faster/cheaper (zero tariffs policy? sharing of tech?)