Capitalism ho! Let's Read Kengan Asura

You've got to wonder what the legends in our world are like in Kengan, especially the ones we know existed. Did Bruce lee just not bother with the wires when doing his movies? Did Bill Kazmaier not only lift the Atlas stones but chisel them from solid rock with his bare fists?

It's got to be wild.
 
Already this fight starts on a whole other level. They're going to spell it out in the next chapter, but the entire point of these two chapters was establishing how the Fang is in every individual way better than Okubo. His hits land harder, his grappling game is at about the same level, he's faster and more agile. And then Okubo says fuck that and still breaks through somehow to land his first solid, unprotected hit of the fight. It's a great way to show how Agito is in fact the best fighter around while still making Okubo come across as insanely good, and that's the third time the manga is pulling this specific trick off so far.

Also, the balls of opening the fight by showing Agito being a very human dumbass with no other thoughts in his brain aside from Fight. Here's your big antagonist-like force, the peak of this tournament, the unsurmountable mountain everyone is here to overcome.
He doesn't know what a final boss is and wants to know if it's worth fighting.
He's like the final stage of Ohma's pokémon evolution line, it's great.
 
Man this fight is hype. The author of KA only really has one trick, zigging when you expect him to zag, but it's such a dope trick. THe 'his blows will no longer reach him', plus the final boss revealing his true face...and then Okoya just blasts him in the goddamn head. Spectacular.

I also love a manga that respects MMA. So many manga are like 'unless you know the secrets of Double Mountain Krav Karate you don't rate', and this manga is like 'this dude rushes people down, mounts and pounds like you see on tv, and the only reason it isn't working for him is that his antag is better at it'. Very cool.
 
I love this. I fucking love this, he's such a goddamn cryptid! It'd be one thing if he just didn't know what Zetton was, I didn't before looking it up for the last update, but instead he's the absolute purest essence of a fightmonkey we've seen so far.
Having so many (relatively) normal fighters makes the cryptids all the more cryptic. I love how Kengan Asura balances them.

And you know what, Sandro is completely right! This is how it usually goes, the super special underground place is the only league that matters, and anyone in the public sphere is at best a well meaning chump. To some extent this is sometimes justified by the special sphere being a wulin-esque thing where everyone has a special leg up over normal fighters, but just as often they're just better for no reason.
It's one thing if it's explained as "The public fighters are used to combat sport rules, the underground fighters are used to underground non-rules". Any pro boxer is going to beat the judo world champion in a boxing match; the same might be true (to a lesser extent) for the Muay Thai champion, just by virtue of being restricted by unfamiliar rules. And of course, the same is true in reverse; the boxing world champion doesn't have much experience evading judo throws. And there's an even greater gap between combat sports and an illegal, no-holds-barred underground fighting arena where murder is at worst bad manners.

It's another thing if it's not explained, because then it seems like the underground fighters are just stronger.


Also, the balls of opening the fight by showing Agito being a very human dumbass with no other thoughts in his brain aside from Fight. Here's your big antagonist-like force, the peak of this tournament, the unsurmountable mountain everyone is here to overcome.
He doesn't know what a final boss is and wants to know if it's worth fighting.
He's like the final stage of Ohma's pokémon evolution line, it's great.
I'd have compared him to Son Goku if he didn't leave Mount Paozu until his 20's. Goku if he skipped the arcs where he turned from a literal fightmonkey into a martial artist. Which makes him a better antagonist than protagonist; a protagonist who stays in pure fightmonkey mode for the whole story would get old.
 
I love Agito so much. Love the way he moves differently from the other characters. Love his dumb bodysuit. Love his weird face. Love his autism. Love other, spoiler-y things.


mwah mwah mwah mwah ❤️
 
Agito asking to know the martial art that a fictional Ultraman character uses is such a good establishing moment. It immediately sells him as, monster aside, a very weird human person.
 
From there he moved to boxing, and exhibited similarly prodigious growth, quickly reaching the national stage. After two years he quit boxing too, and moved on to MMA. People were dismissive, at this point. Oh, he won't last long here either, he's flighty, he won't commit. None of them realised that, even after he retired from Wrestling, he didn't skip a day of training in the sport. He'd noticed the importance of grappling in MMA. And had his sights set high. The manga throws an unsourced quote at us, that "the strength of a grappling move is 100% proportional to effort." An amateur's punch may be able to hit a boxer by sheer fluke, but there are no flukes in grappling.
I wouldn't say it's 100% true but yeah, grappling is a game of knowledge and decision making. You can have the kind of physical gap which lets you just power through some moves but it takes a much wider gap then in striking. There's no way to unintentionally do something like a triangle choke, even trying to get into mount on someone can be risky if you don't know how to keep them from getting out or around it.
 
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What a good fucking fight.

Okubo is in a unique position among fighters in that he isn't in a unique position, really, and I think it's really interesting to observe and break down.

One of Kengan Ashura's running themes is that having one fancy trick, even when that trick borders on literal magic, isn't enough to carry you at the peak of combat. You need fundamentals. You need extreme physical fitness. Wakatsuki is a freak of nature, but he's also a good fighter on a technical level. Kaneda's Foresight is a genuinely incredible skill, but he simply doesn't have the physical frame to endure the punishment it takes to activate it in time, or the physical ability to act on his predictions once he does.

But by the same token... People with total commitment, years of practice and experience, and physical fitness are many. You need some kind of edge. Kure Raian (yes, we all rag on him, but the manga means for him to be a contender) has all the Kure training but he also has 100% Removal, which is just fucking magic. Kuroki Gensai is the ultimate Old Master archetype, but he also has the Devil Lance, which is quite literally an 'edge'; the human body doesn't work that way. Wakatsuki has good technique, but he is first and foremost a superhuman freak of nature. Gaolang doesn't have a 'magic trick,' but there is a lot of emphasis put on how fighting without gloves is essentially taking the power limiters off his striking power to allow him, specifically, incredibly fast, incredibly powerful punches as his trademark technique (but more on Gaolong in a moment).

Okubo doesn't really have that. He is one of the best fighters in the world, but he doesn't have the physical edge against Agito, that much is clear from the first cleaver-shaped kick hitting his thigh. And he doesn't have an Advance or a Devil Lance or anything like that. All he has is pure technique, move to move to move, just the dirty business of actually blocking and actually dodging and actually hitting the other guy in the face and actually getting him in a grapple and doing that until the other breaks... And the Fang also has better technique. He doesn't have the advantage anywhere, really.

But the thing everyone finds out after Agito declares that he's downloaded Okubo's moveset and Okubo won't touch him again, Metsudo goes "he's finally stopped playing with his food!" and Wakatsuki writes Okubo's eulogy from the stands, is that there is a level of strength at which you cannot be ignored. It takes an incredible arrogance to look at one of the world's greatest fighters and say, "Now that I have studied all his moves and know my stats are better, he will simply never hit me again." Wrong, idiot! Get punched in the face.

And this ties into the one thing Gaolang and Okubo have in common, alone among all the other Kengan fighters (Sekibayashi being an odd exception in the middle, as pro wrestling is kind of its own thing): They're public fighters. Which means they can't have a 'hidden edge.' That's the open secret everyone tacitly agrees not to talk about in this series (except Kaneda and Chiba, for whom this is their only hope at victory): any surprise advantage or unique quirk these two have would be instantly publicized and analyzed and dissected the moment they used it in a match. The highest tier of Kengan matches are private, and if your best fighter loses to Kiryu's Rakshasa's Palm, you aren't going to go public with it, you're going to keep the knowledge of the Palm to you until you've found a counter to it because knowing its existence is the only unique advantage you have against Kiryu compared to everyone else. Nor does seeing the Palm, or Rei's Lightning Flash or any of these moves, once in a single fight mean you have a complete understanding of it and can prepare a counter.

Meanwhile, almost every fight Gaolang and Okubo took part in is recorded from multiple angles in glorious 4k. They probably have fan wikis where people break down the exact speed of their individual punches. Everyone knows everything about them. Their only option when coming to an underground fighting ring full of secretive asshole with superpowers and ancestral techniques to break down human limits and special hits no living human has seen before and who also have studied every public match Okubo and Gaolang ever fought in preparation for this day is to be strong enough that it doesn't matter. Their only recourse is to Just Be That Good.

There's no magic trick to beating Okubo Naoya. Your first step is: You have to be faster, stronger, have more stamina, and have better technique than him. The Fang checks all these boxes. That's good.

Now you actually do still have to beat him.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Good luck.
 
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On the one hand, I love Okubo so much. He's the one normal guy in a tournament that starts at Sekibayashi and gets weirder from there, and he just sticks to it - and he makes it work! He wins fights by just being good at martial arts, despite not having a secret power-up technique or a wacky knife-fist punching style or turning himself into a human vibrator. There's something so grounded about him, in a setting where one guy apparently made his bones into swords and resurrected himself after getting his neck snapped.

On the other hand, he has such weird tastes in fashion. His shorts here are fine, I guess, but he shows up to a flashback in a suit and bow-tie - with a ruffled shirt and patterning on the lapels. In the sequel, he reappears in a clown costume. Nobody ever talks about it, but he spends the the entirety of his screen time in stripes and face paint. Just full on a clown costume, complete with funny glasses, and he commits to it. I suppose it's because the entire Kengan Association is a circus.
 
On the one hand, I love Okubo so much. He's the one normal guy in a tournament that starts at Sekibayashi and gets weirder from there, and he just sticks to it - and he makes it work! He wins fights by just being good at martial arts, despite not having a secret power-up technique or a wacky knife-fist punching style or turning himself into a human vibrator. There's something so grounded about him, in a setting where one guy apparently made his bones into swords and resurrected himself after getting his neck snapped.

On the other hand, he has such weird tastes in fashion. His shorts here are fine, I guess, but he shows up to a flashback in a suit and bow-tie - with a ruffled shirt and patterning on the lapels. In the sequel, he reappears in a clown costume. Nobody ever talks about it, but he spends the the entirety of his screen time in stripes and face paint. Just full on a clown costume, complete with funny glasses, and he commits to it. I suppose it's because the entire Kengan Association is a circus.
Yeah, because he's fucking based. When you're jacked enough, everything you wear looks weird, like a costume someone put on a bear. Might as well get creative with it.
 
On the other hand, he has such weird tastes in fashion. His shorts here are fine, I guess, but he shows up to a flashback in a suit and bow-tie - with a ruffled shirt and patterning on the lapels. In the sequel, he reappears in a clown costume. Nobody ever talks about it, but he spends the the entirety of his screen time in stripes and face paint. Just full on a clown costume, complete with funny glasses, and he commits to it. I suppose it's because the entire Kengan Association is a circus.
The reason is because Okubo is from Osaka, and he's very much written as the Osakan stereotype (loud, brash, crude, wisecracking). And one of the main destinations of Osaka is Dōtonbori, which has a local mascot of a mechanical statue of a clown named Kuidaori Taro. Taro was a restaurant attraction, originally, but when the restaurant closed down, he was basically bought by the city and kept up because people considered him iconic to the area.



Okubo's Omega outfit is very clearly dressing up as Taro. Basically, it's the equivalent of a guy from Las Vegas dressing up as Vegas Vic.
 
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On the one hand, I love Okubo so much. He's the one normal guy in a tournament that starts at Sekibayashi and gets weirder from there, and he just sticks to it - and he makes it work! He wins fights by just being good at martial arts, despite not having a secret power-up technique or a wacky knife-fist punching style or turning himself into a human vibrator. There's something so grounded about him, in a setting where one guy apparently made his bones into swords and resurrected himself after getting his neck snapped.

On the other hand, he has such weird tastes in fashion. His shorts here are fine, I guess, but he shows up to a flashback in a suit and bow-tie - with a ruffled shirt and patterning on the lapels. In the sequel, he reappears in a clown costume. Nobody ever talks about it, but he spends the the entirety of his screen time in stripes and face paint. Just full on a clown costume, complete with funny glasses, and he commits to it. I suppose it's because the entire Kengan Association is a circus.

From what I remember, Okubo's clown outfit is based on a real-life mascot of Osaka. So I suppose it's his way of representing his hometown.

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An amateur's punch may be able to hit a boxer by sheer fluke, but there are no flukes in grappling.
Here is an excerpt from a podcast Lex Fridman conducted with George St Pierre (champion and GOAT contender for MMA), Gordon Ryan (champion and GOAT contender for no-gi BJJ), and John Danaher (the man who taught them both), about this topic:

View: https://youtu.be/UgGLx5cGxcE

If you're irritated by Fridman, don't worry, he asks Danaher the question and then sits back and lets him answer. He basically answers that the time pressure in combat involving striking (including rulesets that allow both striking and grappling) in much higher, as decisive changes can happen in one blow, whereas in grappling the time pressure is lower and there is much more room to recover from bad positions.
 
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The manga throws an unsourced quote at us, that "the strength of a grappling move is 100% proportional to effort." An amateur's punch may be able to hit a boxer by sheer fluke, but there are no flukes in grappling.
@Manic Dogma

I'd say this is broadly true but not an ironclad law of the universe, just because any scenario once you add actual people who aren't optimized decision makers making decisions optimally the door is open to Weird Things Going Down.

It's rarer in a grappling situation where the "correct" ways to move and grips to make are less intuitive than the Waffle House "Wing haymakers until I fall down or they do" strategy in a striking context but Weird Things Have Gone Down, the first example I can think of is veteran kickboxer no grappling fighter Gary Goodridge reversing a fireman's carry attempt into a crucifix hold in the early UFCs.


View: https://youtu.be/H08BBFsVsK8?si=csgSzwWdYQ3KihTO

Side Note: Goodridge is wearing a dobok (not a gi) because he officially entered the tournament as a representative of Kuk Sul Won by beating the KSW guy who was supposed to enter in a dojo challenge match and "Would you like to rep our style in the UFC here's a uniform and a black belt" because the early days of UFC/MMA in general were the wild, WILD West.
 
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Another big thing are the senses used in the respective areas. Striking relies on visual information and baseline humans are already so good at eyes that we don't even treat it as a skill. If someone is worse at seeing shit we usually don't even consider that it could be anything but a physical limitation.
In grappling a lot more information flows via the tactile channel and interpreting those sensations is very much something you need to get good at. Amateurs in grappling are the equivalent of near-blind. They will be like 'Is that a knee at my butt?' while a master grappler can probably like read what someone's shoulders are doing just by touching their foot.
 
Another big thing are the senses used in the respective areas. Striking relies on visual information and baseline humans are already so good at eyes that we don't even treat it as a skill. If someone is worse at seeing shit we usually don't even consider that it could be anything but a physical limitation.
In grappling a lot more information flows via the tactile channel and interpreting those sensations is very much something you need to get good at. Amateurs in grappling are the equivalent of near-blind. They will be like 'Is that a knee at my butt?' while a master grappler can probably like read what someone's shoulders are doing just by touching their foot.

And then you have trapping range, which is close enough for both striking and grappling to work, and where so much of the action is happening out of your field of vision that you also have to rely on tactile and kinesthetic perception. That's why Wing Chun has sticky hands and Taiji has push hands, so you can develop your ability to tingjing, "hear force", or feel what's coming rather than seeing it. It starts getting very fun - I used to be very into pushing hands, and it actually doesn't take a very high level of mastery before you can tell your opponent is about to shift his foot from the tensing in his shoulder, which you feel through the back of your hand resting on his wrist. It sounds esoteric but it's really a fun skill to develop.
 
Side Note: Goodridge is wearing a dobok (not a gi) because he officially entered the tournament as a representative of Kuk Sul Won by beating the KSW guy who was supposed to enter in a dojo challenge match and "Would you like to rep our style in the UFC here's a uniform and a black belt" because the early days of UFC/MMA in general were the wild, WILD West.
Isn't that kinda how Ohma got into the Kengan Matches? By beating Nogi's fighter in the first one?
 
And then you have trapping range, which is close enough for both striking and grappling to work, and where so much of the action is happening out of your field of vision that you also have to rely on tactile and kinesthetic perception. That's why Wing Chun has sticky hands and Taiji has push hands, so you can develop your ability to tingjing, "hear force", or feel what's coming rather than seeing it. It starts getting very fun - I used to be very into pushing hands, and it actually doesn't take a very high level of mastery before you can tell your opponent is about to shift his foot from the tensing in his shoulder, which you feel through the back of your hand resting on his wrist. It sounds esoteric but it's really a fun skill to develop.
I have a background on Wing Chun and was actually just extrapolating from that in the post.
Was even a bit worried some actually knowledgeable grappler would show up be like wtf that's not how any of this works^^
 
I have a background on Wing Chun and was actually just extrapolating from that in the post.
Was even a bit worried some actually knowledgeable grappler would show up be like wtf that's not how any of this works^^

Well, I don't have a lot of experience with BBJ or other pure or ground grappling arts - my main practice was in Fiore dei Liberi's Fior di Battaglia, a sword art. Master Fiore explicitly states that within his system all combat is predicated on abrazare, standup grappling, and I got pretty decent at it. My teacher in the art, Guy Windsor, brought his Taiji background into how we trained, so we ended up doing a lot of push hands to develop tactile sensitivity.

It turns out that swordfighting is also heavily tactile. There's a lot of information that gets transmitted in the moment that blades touch. If you're sensitive, you can tell what your opponent is about to do, and pre-empt it. And it's very, very hard to fake or feint against that. You can fool the eyes, but it's much more difficult to fool the fingers. The German Liechtenauer tradition also recognises this, with its doctrine of Fühlen, "feeling". These two main streams of longsword fencing both place a lot of emphasis on what happens at and immediately after the initial contact or crossing of blades, because it's from there that you can identify by Fühlen what your opponent intends.
 
I'd have pointed to Kaneda representing Ginokuniya Bookstores. It's not an uncommon plot point in this series. It moves the plot forward and gives you a fight scene.
Also a good point, but I guess I went with Ohma because he had no idea that would happen, unlike Kaneda who was planning on it. And that felt more true to the sort of chaotic spirit that Wade was talking about.
 
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