On the other hand if we do manage to convince him to fight with us(even temporarily) it will add us a MS that we really need.Also considering we have used diplomacy to our advantage I don't see how we can't do something crazy like that again.
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When? Nothing prior to joining londo bell, that's for sure. Amuro was only a temporary success that fell apart and would have gone hostile if Artesia hasn't shown up. Jupiterus 2 was Lorelei diplomacying Cybele. Haffaway was as undiplomatic as it got, with our alliance with zeon falling apart mid mission and we failed to convince our Newtype opponent not to fire on us long enough that we wouldn't be shielding civilians from his fire?
We have no success convincing feds to be diplomatic, Jona isn't in his right before his cyber newtype craziness let alone after, we have a unfamiliar zeon pilot who may not cooperate with our attempt to be diplomatic, and diplomacy mid battle could interrupted by any of the other two teams fighting around us or his nominal teammates.
On top of all that, Jona is infamously manipulative and has tricked two friends in name of his goals. Can we trust him to hold to any agreement? Don't bring up canon because this isn't canon. He's not the protagonist and he isn't saving anyone if he wins this, since the Feds have two uses for Rita after all she's done. Propaganda about how dangerous newtypes are, and maybe dissection to figure out how the Phenex effected Rita's brain. I don't trust him at all.
Which also might suggest that he may be manipulating the feds.After all if he manipulated his friends as a infamously attachment valuing Cyber Newtype why in the hell would he hold any true loyalty to the Federation.It seems more likely that Jonah is also using the Federation too and will betray them.
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His pov views we've seen says differently, with him convinced the feds are his only option. Also, if that were the case, what sense would there be in taking out the mobile armor on London bell side, his only alternative for saving Rita if he betrays the Federation? I think your grasping at straws to find reasons to believe in a character you like from the canon series who has gone down a dark and morally compromising path in this quest. Can't save everyone and Diplomacy failed last mission with a lot more going for it.
Jona doesn't have some grand scheme to betray the federation, and nothing you've said changes the fact that Rita gets emotional fueled Newtype power burst if we work with him against her, which I'd rather not deal with until Jumpy Aimaway and crew arrives with the other mobile armor.
Personally I don't give a shit about Jonah.I've never even seen Narrative and I mainly want him as a meatshield for Rita to try and kill.I've mainly suggested a temporary ceasefire not some long term alliance.What I really don't want to do is fight a Gundam protag while Rita is barely getting held back from murdering us all.
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Fair, but the thing is it better try and diplomacy Jona(never worked for Cybele under the best of circumstances and these are far from that) potentially wasting time do to him refusing or someone else interfering, or worst, getting stabbed in the back for our trouble, rather than just fighting him and possibly defeating him much sooner?
As far as Gundam protagonists go, Jona isn't particularly strong. He certainly doesn't measure up to Amuro(who Cybele has faced) or even Lame from Haffaway mission with his 5th Gen atmosphere specialized frame vs 2nd Gen Frame advantage. Jona is someone Cybele can beat, and she's more skilled and experienced in combating ace pilots than talking them out of a fight.
You want to go diplomacy because there is a long shot chance Cybele convinces Jona to team up, avoiding a difficult battle and gaining a meat shield. The odds are far better that diplomacy just falls apart, wasting time, and at least equal for him stabbing us in the back. This is a max difficulty mission and we can't afford to screw around going for long shots not in Cybele's court.
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I'm more concerned honestly about the Narrative Gundam since while it's packs are designed to contain/destroy Newtypes
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I get that, but cybele has overcome tech specialties before(literal last mission), and frankly the woundwart isn't anything the Narrative was remotely built to combat. It's advantage is far less than the one the Penelope had, and Cybele pulled through there. At the end of the day your still gambling on a long shot diplomacy maybe removing the narrative gundam as an opponent rather than giving Jona an opening or just not working out in general, which wastes time.
In a combat skill and experience vs none existent diplomacy skill, the former is a better winning combination than the latter. It's something that has failed before, when the thing Cybele was asking for was a 15 second ceasefire to move away from civilians she didn't want to roast alive with her thruster pack. It's a little naive to just assume things will work out better here, and take the risk knowing we have so little room for error.
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I think you mean Lame Aim. Over a dozen hyper cannon blasts, two disabling shots, one of them a target the literal size of a large military ship, and hundreds of not thousands if civilian collateral damage. He's spent the entire time Cybele was getting to this battle field being put through basic mobile suit fire drills after that fiasco, once his commander finished putting him over his knee for the damage to the Penelope.
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To make matters worse Lme's conduct also pissed off the Hing Kong government and you really don't want to piss off people who have mass production Zeta's when you are sending out people in GM I's
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I should correct that the Zeta Plus is a discontinued Limited Production model from the Gryps War. It may be formidable, but Hong Kong don't have any force projection capabilities. They're a regional power, but that's it.
I mean it's a pissed off regional power in a area the Federation is fighting over.The amount of resources required to deal with Hong Kong won't be cheap.
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Still, it's a previously neutral nation state that has become very friendly towards Londo Bell and very Hostile towards the federation.
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I'll leave votes open for a day or so.
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Cool. Thanks for the great update. I'm part of 3 Gundam quests these days, but yours is my favorite.
What are the other Gundam quests?
Edit: I'm getting tired of kicking the can down the road. If we keep compromising all we'll be able to do is compromise.
Kill what you can now so next mission we don't have to deal with the same person and potentially the same situation.
Also this is a zealot, you can't reason with zealots. Besides I'm more concerned with the over all message these choices send. We did say before we don't believe people can understand each other through talking. One side must be dominate if we want the wars to stop. In the spirit of that we kill the feds dogs no matter what!
Besides I feel they'll either stab us in the back or do something we don't agree with after this is over. Also doesn't the ghost in the machine hate the feds too? It's been awhile but she has massive reactions to them right?
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[X] Fuck this guy and the spindly-looking MS he rode in on! You'll get to Rita in due time, but first you're going to obliterate this "Scarecrow".
He broke our shiny new toy which will make Auntie Anaheim mad at us.
Absolutely unforgivable /s
He broke our shiny new toy which will make Auntie Anaheim mad at us.
Absolutely unforgivable /s
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A Bright Dawn to Come which is actually an SRW/ME crossover quest but the Gundam elements are prominent enough for it to count in my opinion.
Mobile Suit Gundam: Marathon - 51 which is an actual gundam only quest starting in November UC 0079 as a reluctant federation pilot.
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I can say with 100% certainty that this is my fault.
[X] Try to convince the "Scarecrow" to postpone this fight until Rita is no longer piloting the giant death machine. There are clearly bigger fish to fry.
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Votes are currently tied. Voting will remain open till tomorrow.
[X] Try to convince the "Scarecrow" to postpone this fight until Rita is no longer piloting the giant death machine. There are clearly bigger fish to fry.
I wonder if fighting the feds will open up options with the ghost? We get aar for our choices when the arc is over or am I misremembering?