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Son of Death (30k Mortarion Quest)

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[X] Camaraderie. It was mortal men that scaled the peaks of Barbarus and followed Mortarion into battle. What manner of men have followed the Emperor to this star?
 
[X] Camaraderie. It was mortal men that scaled the peaks of Barbarus and followed Mortarion into battle. What manner of men have followed the Emperor to this star?
 
Ganurath said:
What if the Emperor's answer to Camraderie isn't the Custodes? What if it's the Sigilite, or the Legion Master of the Dusk Raiders?
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Then that still tells us more than humility. Are the people blindly devoted? Are they nervous? Do they freely admit to his faults? Do they admit their iwn faults? What is said is often as important as what isn't said.

We can still find out whether he is humble or not by actually interacting with him. In fact, the resilience test can be interpreted as a test of character as well. Will he try to surpass Mortarion and stand at his side, or exceed him and show his superiority?

Comraderie gives us humility as well. A humble leader doesn't fear the opinions of his followers.

Humility feels isolated and almonst a bit petty imo.
 
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[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
[X] Camaraderie. It was mortal men that scaled the peaks of Barbarus and followed Mortarion into battle. What manner of men have followed the Emperor to this star?

Mortarion became who he was due to the people that followed him, He's probably curious what kind of people follow his creator
 
I think all of these are meant to make Mortarion dislike the Emperor in some way.

Camaraderie: the Emperor's people are heavily indoctrinated and subservient. They are underlings who follow him him, not comrades.

Humility: it's the Emperor, he's all about grand visions of a united humanity stranding triumphant over the galaxy.

Resilience: Mortarion weathers Barabarus' harsh environments. The people live inspite of the dangers. The Emperor would just ignore it with his powerful psychic might, imposing his will over the hardship.
 
[ ] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

Morty is the type of guy who only respects those who are self-reliant, endure a lot and labour for their fruits.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

Of the options it's the most Nurgle like one; yes nurgle is resistant, yes he is a patriarch over a large family, but in the end you're all the same shitty disease vectors as the men next to you and no amount of honors or claims will change that.
 
[X] Camaraderie. It was mortal men that scaled the peaks of Barbarus and followed Mortarion into battle. What manner of men have followed the Emperor to this star?
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

Ultimately I want to give the Emperor a chance... but only a chance. Resilience isn't a test even if it might be a bonding experience and, well, Custodes are human shaped forces of nature and would be too reminiscent of his other father's craft. Those tests are won and lost before they are even given. So, yeah, humility.

One day of toil, walking among mortals as a mortal, to break bread at our table and to speak with us as one man to another. The man says he places mankind on a marble pillar so let us see if its true and, importantly, see if he is willing to learn. If his eyes are closed then he can only be suffered, not embraced.

One day of toil. If he is still a man then we might know him.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
Anyone can be humble for a day
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Bluntly, I don't think this is true. There are people who can't be humble for even one day.

Now, I don't think any of these tests are perfect; the set of people who can be humble for one day includes some real monsters, but so does the set of people with the strength and will to climb mountains, or the set of people who can get good men to follow them.

So I think Emps can be expected to pass whatever test Mortarion gives him, to some degree.

What we've voting for is more about what kind of person is Mortarion, what his values are.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
The way I see it is that the Emperor will succeed in whatever challenge we throw at him (unless this unexpectedly turns into 40k farming sim) and we join him on the Great Crusade.

So the real question is what trait does Mortarion Value and how does the Emperor express it.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
[X] Camaraderie. It was mortal men that scaled the peaks of Barbarus and followed Mortarion into battle. What manner of men have followed the Emperor to this star?
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?

primarchs will always have immense pride in themselves and their craft, which often acts to their detriment. Toning it down so Mortarion listens is key in my eyes. The emperor will probably be able to pass any matter of challenge we put in front of him, so it's a matter of what we want Mortarion to be.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
Modus_Tollens said:
Ultimately I want to give the Emperor a chance... but only a chance. Resilience isn't a test even if it might be a bonding experience and, well, Custodes are human shaped forces of nature and would be too reminiscent of his other father's craft. Those tests are won and lost before they are even given. So, yeah, humility.
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I think you're mistaken about Camraderie, on the grounds that it assumes that the Emperor would introduce Mortarion to the Custodes. The Dusk Raiders are a more practical choice in that they're more human, they'd need to meet anyway if Mortarion agrees, and they'd have horror stories from Terra to sell the narrative that the Crusade is an interstellar rebellion against the Overlords.
 
[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
Tomsawyer18 said:
So the real question is what trait does Mortarion Value and how does the Emperor express it.
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On that note, it might also influence his interactions with other Primarchs. None of them can be called humble. Maybe Vulcan and I guess Perti, if you count not talking about success as humility.

Camaraderie exists, but is often tied to the need to exceed the other Primarchs. True friendships among them were few and far between.

Resilience is probably the trait that could be ascribed the best to Primarchs. Whether that's good or bad is a different matter.
 
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[X] Humility. The Emperor may wage war on the stars and rule over billions, but has he ever laboured for his bread?
 
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