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here i am wondering how the fuck i come to this mess of posts from a scum mindset tho. like how does hypothetical anything-but-VT!Shalmoa end up here?
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
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- United States
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- He/Him/Birb
You also forget limited use paralysis. A player with say 1-shot vig may be much more reserved than a 2-shot vig would.
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That's a fair assessment, but note to limited shot vigilantes: Your shot is part of town's balance. Please feel free to play your inner serial killer, especially if you have no reason to believe mafia won't continue to take relatively unindicative and relatively difficult to predict shots.
Zone Q11
Monochrome Plebeian
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- He/Him/His
Could you please elaborate further on this? I would like to know why you think Kingster is towny.
So basically your two suspects are no longer on your radar, and instead they are replaced by me, the sole player (aside maybe Zaealix) who pushes you. Except not really, because what you did to me is: You hedged me. "Zone is suspicious because he is pushing me, but I don't know; he could be town as well." This literally tells me nothing. This is literally what I would say to IH's slot: Nothing. That slot has been MIA for almost 45 hours and is thereby practically dead. To me, your read on me is no different than anyone's read on an effectively dead player.
Let me ask you a question: Gun To Head, who are your Top 3 suspects? Don't even bother thinking of "why is this person sus"; just give me names of people you want dead.
Zone Q11
Monochrome Plebeian
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- He/Him/His
Oh. I somehow forgot to respond on this despite having quoted it in my latest post.
But essentially: I don't give the benefit of the doubt that others are giving to newbies. (Well, I actually do, but I am very biased in this regard. If they are hedging, slanking, or fluffposting, then I naturally won't be lenient to them. I would like to believe that I am very strict and douchebag-ey on this regard.)
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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- He/Him
Nictis is probably my first natural progression for a scum flip. I haven't thought about progressions from a Town flip yet because I don't think you're Town.
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start thinking then
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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- He/Him
That's fair enough, I would chalk it up to a difference in opinions on the matter then. Don't think either of us would be able to convince the other that their way is the correct one (though I don't think there's a definitively correct way at all)
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Seeing as I need to commit somewhere myself, and I don't think Nemo's really a good target since she has brought out some of her thought process and it feels pretty pure (just not very pushy either), then let's see:
InterstellarHobo, Seven, NemoMarx, and Kingster need to put down votes. I don't count no elimination as a vote without a strong argument as to why it should be used.
IH is just MIA. Seven has made it reasonably clear who they'd vote if they had to put down a vote (@Seven: So just do it already if you still believe it). NemoMarx should probably vote somewhere. Kingster wants no elim afaict but that's never going to pass.
[x] Vote Nictis
Honestly, getting the kind of vibes I got from Terrabrand in christmas BYOR. The way Nictis is mis-reading my posts makes a sort of sense, but I know Nictis can read deeper than this. I get that he's also playing while sick, but the frustration and atmosphere on my end is the same.
InterstellarHobo, Seven, NemoMarx, and Kingster need to put down votes. I don't count no elimination as a vote without a strong argument as to why it should be used.
IH is just MIA. Seven has made it reasonably clear who they'd vote if they had to put down a vote (@Seven: So just do it already if you still believe it). NemoMarx should probably vote somewhere. Kingster wants no elim afaict but that's never going to pass.
[x] Vote Nictis
Honestly, getting the kind of vibes I got from Terrabrand in christmas BYOR. The way Nictis is mis-reading my posts makes a sort of sense, but I know Nictis can read deeper than this. I get that he's also playing while sick, but the frustration and atmosphere on my end is the same.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
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- United States
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- He/Him/Birb
Combination of viewing a newbie pov the actions make sense + other parts of it are in line with twtbw really.
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I'll second that I believe Kingster's newbie POV to be very genuine still, and that not accounting for that is most likely just looking for excuses to miseliminate. Same with Zaealix, and god knows I hate his vote yesterday so much.
hugh_donnetono
No use to complain
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- Caught Out In The Rain
Alas, to my eyes you have thus fair failed to come across as all that much of a douchebag at all! Sad to hear it, I know, but it's true.
Oh really? Why is that?
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forgot about the shorter deadline rip
I'm referring to this.
Shadell flipped town. Are you considering that in your interpretation? Further, would you see this differently if Hugh flipped scum?
give me a min
hugh_donnetono
No use to complain
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- Caught Out In The Rain
teletubby?
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- Earth
too wolfy to be a wolf.teletubby?
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think Nictis has a far better potential to fit a team read than you at this stage, given what we know between the interactions Shal has had with you two. I would have also considered Ori a potential read on that front but we already know where that's gone.
CTRosen
Rock Man
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- Northwest PA
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- He/Him
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- Earth
Well, I'm not a jester, so I don't get a retribution kill. But if I was, know that this would've earned it from me. Just FYI.
Zone Q11
Monochrome Plebeian
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- He/Him/His
I am strict on newbies, so I don't get why being a newbie would directly imply being towny.
As for TWTBAW; Not seeing it at all either.
The fact that there are worse evil in the world does not mean I am not evil.Alas, to my eyes you have thus fair failed to come across as all that much of a douchebag at all! Sad to hear it, I know, but it's true.
What about that post is towny?
No, I did not consider that because I don't have to.
It is literally "I would vote X over Y, and I would vote Y over Z, but I actually voted for Z and then WOAH EOD arrived and Z suddenly looks towny and people are voting X, so I guess I will vote X as well" where X = Shadell, Y = Shalmoa, and Z = hugh.
In a w!Kingster world, what would change if he knows that Shadell is town? Nothing.
The fact is: He did not go after Shalmoa like he said he would, and instead bandwagonned Shadell.
If hugh flips scum, then honestly it can go anywhere. The only person who would look good is Shalmoa, and whoever keeps pushing for hugh's death today. (There ought to be about 2~3 people, but I don't remember who.)
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I'm kinda amazed by our SV vets at the moment, and not really in a way that gives me good feels.
I asked Ori something that, from my perspective, was a request to help hunt. He basically told me to stop hunting.
Nictis is tunnelling me. Understandable. Also calling me exe in a game that is pretty unlikely to have TH!3P for balance reasons. Sure, w/e. Calling me an exe for something I think is piss-tier exe play? Very frustrating. But to be fair, I think Nictis has been giving my posts some level of actual credit. Has at least maintained some pretense of hunting too.
-Rosen though, like. Okay, fine. I get it. You think I'm scum.
But I'm going to flip town, and no matter how much you think I'm scum, that won't change. So start thinking. Start giving everyone else alive, which must include some other townies, something to work with. Explain your work.
I asked Ori something that, from my perspective, was a request to help hunt. He basically told me to stop hunting.
Nictis is tunnelling me. Understandable. Also calling me exe in a game that is pretty unlikely to have TH!3P for balance reasons. Sure, w/e. Calling me an exe for something I think is piss-tier exe play? Very frustrating. But to be fair, I think Nictis has been giving my posts some level of actual credit. Has at least maintained some pretense of hunting too.
-Rosen though, like. Okay, fine. I get it. You think I'm scum.
But I'm going to flip town, and no matter how much you think I'm scum, that won't change. So start thinking. Start giving everyone else alive, which must include some other townies, something to work with. Explain your work.
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As far as Cyricubed's posts go, maybe I'm just not engaging with them as much because of Nictis/-Rosen, but I feel like Cyricubed's at least giving my posts a fair shake and coming to the wrong conclusion for townie reasons. That said, @Cyricubed: How does the house of cards fall for you if I'm scum? Or if I'm town? Who do you think people need to push next in those two scenarios?
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My opinion this is that Kingster's let his healthy newbie paranoia get to his healthy newbie paranoia. I'd advise Kingster: trust your gut more than the crowd. The crowd is full of people who want your team to lose, no matter which team you're on, and will lie to your face to make it happen. Don't trust the crowd.
But I think it's more of a newbie+mob mentality issue than wolfy bandwagoning, and while it's suboptimal play, suboptimal play is NAI. If it isn't, let's pivot onto Zaea because his progression is non-sense from any orthodox perspective.
hugh_donnetono
No use to complain
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- Caught Out In The Rain