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[X] Yes. Frame it as a capture/neutralize operation that "may have to" resort to field execution.
-[X]Do NOT
approach the Sigillite.
[x]Approach Horus.
-[x]Approach Alpharius
 
He just had his pride in being the emperor's most loyal shattered, in being chastised just as hard as the other Arrogant Sons at the council
He has also been informed of the existence of spirits
a path exists that connects these dots and forms the Malcadrene Heresy
I'm not talking about reason so much as capacity. For all Malcador is 'trusted' I would say he is more closely watched than any three of the Emperor's sons combined along with, I'd expect, being tinkered with almost as much as the Custodes.
 
Okay but, it's been said before - how are you going to convince the Salamanders to go along with this? Not Vulkan, the Salamanders. We had a whole scene about how hands off Vulkan is, so that the one doesn't necessarily follow the other.
Primarch Charisma, if Vulkan says it they will go along for it. Also it's the Night Lords the most hated legion because of the cruelty they have is so bad the other legions think they took it to far.
 
Horus decked Angron in the face on their first meeting, and they promptly became fast friends.
Did that in high school once.

That was a very confusing year...

Angron tried, he really did. He reached out to his brother, wanting to discuss sculpture or warfare, and Perturabo spat bile and retreated behind his walls. Without any particular motivation to press on, Angron shrugged and left the man there to stew.

Oh Perty... no matter what timeline you're still a douche.

FFS if you wanna just build pretty stuff JUST DO IT nobody's going to stop you

Angron fully intends to kill the man. Curze barely thinks about Angron at all.

Angron: "YOU'LL PAY FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE!!"
Kurze: "I don't even know who you are."

Okay but, it's been said before - how are you going to convince the Salamanders to go along with this? Not Vulkan, the Salamanders. We had a whole scene about how hands off Vulkan is, so that the one doesn't necessarily follow the other.
Vulkan is a primarch.

Hands off or no, if he says "hey I need your help for an important but secretive mission" how many of them are going to ignore it?
 
Changing my vote because I love the idea of Angron walking over to Alpharius and being like "Hey sport, I see you've got some Brother Killer rounds there. Want to see if they work?"

[x] Yes
- [x] Suggest tactics and allies: we're Angron. Don't overthink this. Approach Konrad's compound and wreck his shit. Corax will take care of stragglers, intelligence and opsec.
- [x] Approach Alpharius

Still no particular opinion on Malcador.
 
Primarch Charisma, if Vulkan says it they will go along for it. Also it's the Night Lords the most hated legion because of the cruelty they have is so bad the other legions think they took it to far.
Vulkan is a primarch.

Hands off or no, if he says "hey I need your help for an important but secretive mission" how many of them are going to ignore it?
Sure, but why would he ask that? His current position is that he doesn't do that, and has no intention of starting to do that. That's what his entire talk with Argon was about, that Vulkan has decided to intentionally not lead his sons, so any plan that starts with 'well, Vulkan can lead his sons' is skipping a very important step in getting Vulkan to massively change his opinion (if you want to go that route). Alternatively, if we do want the Salamanders, then we need to approach the Salamander high council or whatever and make our case to them.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Ensure the destruction of Nostramo is known before taking action, to ensure we aren't wrongly blamed for it.
-[X] Bait him into a confrontation. The one reliable place to find Curze is behind his current target

Malcador seems like a very bad idea for a lot of reasons.
 
Sigilite is an interesting option, but I think we have an opportunity to build a relationship with Alph here.

[X] Yes
-[X] Approach Alpharius
 
[x] Yes
- [x] Suggest tactics and allies: we're Angron. Don't overthink this. Approach Konrad's compound and wreck his shit. Corax will take care of stragglers, intelligence and opsec.
- [x] Approach Alpharius
 
Primarch Charisma, if Vulkan says it they will go along for it. Also it's the Night Lords the most hated legion because of the cruelty they have is so bad the other legions think they took it to far.
Vulkan is a primarch.

Hands off or no, if he says "hey I need your help for an important but secretive mission" how many of them are going to ignore it?
The problem is that Vulcan says that but the Salamanders don't necessarily agree

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBbuUWw30N8
Yes, if Vulkan asks them. We had a whole establishing character scene about how he doesn't do that. If you want the Salamanders on side as a legion, you have to ask the Salamanders, not Vulkan, because while Vulkan almost certainly could lead them if he asked, that doesn't mean he'll ask!
 
At the end of the day, I suspect that a vote for approaching Vulkan would effectively be a vote for approaching the Salamanders' council. I doubt that Maugan Ra would throw away people's votes like that, and if approaching Vulkan is a dead end then it will probably be so regardless of whether we phrase our vote as approaching him or approaching his legion.
 
Why are we so eager to work with Malcador after he psychically attacked Angron for raising his voice at the council?
IC it's a terrible idea. OOC it's cool narratively. People who can't stand each other having to begrudgingly work together to stage something is great. It's almost a buddy cop movie except we won't be friends by the end.
 
[X] Yes
- [X] Approach the Sigillite
- [X] Approach Alpharius

It is a continuation of the fight between the two hands of the emperor after all, and while the power armored one decided to say no, the other might do it as noted by others so far.
We will create waves with horus anyway so it is just the question of how effective we will be, and how high the wave.
I also want the Hydra because of the double trainwreck.
To be fair, Malcador feels also like he would bring a the no name space marine, that is in truth young man omegon considering their shared covert ops interactions beforehand.
 
At the end of the day, I suspect that a vote for approaching Vulkan would effectively be a vote for approaching the Salamanders' council. I doubt that Maugan Ra would throw away people's votes like that, and if approaching Vulkan is a dead end then it will probably be so regardless of whether we phrase our vote as approaching him or approaching his legion.

Why would I do that?

The vote is to approach Vulkan, so you'll approach Vulkan.

How many Salamanders Vulkan brings along, or if he even brings any at all, is going to be out of your control.
 
Why would I do that?

The vote is to approach Vulkan, so you'll approach Vulkan.

How many Salamanders Vulkan brings along, or if he even brings any at all, is going to be out of your control.
Yeah, like, as a QM you want to take a good-faith interpretation of votes, but, again, and I can't stress this enough, we just had that establishing character scene of how Vulkan != the XVIIIth Legion.

It wouldn't be useless! Vulkan and his personal adventuring buddies would be pretty handy for dealing with Konrad himself, and he can act as a witness to our story! If for some unfathomable reason somebody decided to actually kick up a fuss over The Flaying Pits Guy getting shanked, Vulkan's corroborating testimony would be handy! But if you want the Salamnders on board, you have to ask them, not Vulkan.
 
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