How does Cosmo, King of Sicily, benefit from a unified Italy. I suppose there is an argument to be made for not dealing with Spain and France trying to claim the throne every generation.
There is that. But remember, Italy is also rich, you are one of the most famous gunmakers in the world, and there is a huge market that can be controlled if say... there was another middleman doing the selling of your guns.

Thats just one possible solution for profit of course.
 
Tell him of a grand democracy empire that can stand on its two feet and be in charge of its own destiny again the outer world
You're going to have to get real creative to sell him on a constitutional monarchy.

Or a republic for that matter.

but that is not your perogative. You're trying to get him to the table of reunification.
 
And we have 20 Engineering, and how old are we? 2 or 3 more rolls like that and we may just become unrivaled in it, speedrun Engineering to the maximum
 
Dear god he's worse then Heinrich, and he had X-Gene bullshit on his side, though for Luciano it's only Engineering and maybe Manual Labor, instead of, 'I'm good at what I want to be good at' Heinrich
Well considering the fact that Luciano has been trained most his life to be a gunsmith, and he's just really creative...

Well, do the math.

Heinrich on the other hand, he's just broken god tier.
 
Well then. Time for another rousing write in. Hmm.

He's a soft heart, so the plight of the italian man, forced to answer to foreign kings, to fight his fellow italians for men who do not hold his loyalty, denied pride in his leaders and certainty in his cities fortune.

He is a politician, so he can appreciate the lasting agreements of aid in war and peace ensured by a unification treaty over haphazard agreements with city rulers who might be beheaded and replaced should a city be conquered.

He is a man of power, wealth, and influence, so he can appreciate the ability to focus on developing a navy military and merchant for controlling the mediteranean trade routes while the nations land armies deter continental armies.

Now, to put that into a speech.
[X] Plan: The strength of a nation
-[X] "First allow me to point out the greater power of negotiation Italy would hold as a unified nation rather than as diverse city states. Rather than it's various city's negotiating as lesser powers, often limited by the poletics of typically foreign masters, the whole of italy would have the stength and authority of a nation, unrestrained by the policies of foreign governments. Trade agreements could be maintained for years or decades, rather than however long a city remains under specific management. Foreigners could not afford to carelessly break agreements, lest they face the wrath of all italy. The ability to project true power into the mediterranean sea to influence trade and prevent piracy."

-[X] "Next we come to the military assets of a unified italy. The loggistic benefit of automatic support of major settlements thru out italy. An end to the ability of foreign armies to simply march thru it's less prosperous lands unchallenged to seige it's cities. The many ports and navies of Italy working together to seize control of the mediterranean and project Italian power across it's many shores. The combined wealth and manpower of the cities working together to establish and secure it's borders, preventing foreign armies from intruding at will."

-[X] "Last I ask you to think of the common Italian citizen. Farmers who must hope and pray that their grain will not be seized by french soldiers marching to attack cities their relatives call home. Those who must depend on the protection and generocity of foreigners because Italy has no unified navy to devote to guarding it's merchants. The city folk, who must forever live in fear of the next conqueror who will sack there city to take it's wealth and control it's trade. The whole, which has no established rights or greater identity that only exist in the confines of a true nation. Unified, Italy can provide it's good catholic people the protection they deserve, the stability for which they pray, Leadership in which they trust and believe, and the National Identity and Pride Italy has been denied so long it is beyond most mens imagination. If you love the Italian people, help them become more than the victims of the great powers of Europe."
 
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Looks like Cosmo and Machiavelli came to the opposite conclusion from Bismarck with regards to unification. They want unification first, and they can worry about who's top dog afterwards. Bismarck wanted a unified Germany with Prussia unquestionably in charge.

As for giving our godfather an offer he can't refuse, we can make mention that even after the collapse of West Rome, all of Italy was under the rule of the Ostrogoths. East Rome under Belisarius nearly reconquered Italy, but factionalism and the Sassanids prevented it from coming to fruition. Italy can be a veritable gold mine of wealth, and is arguably the heart of Christian Europe at the time. Powerful as France of the HRE may be, Italy is the cultural and intellectual center of Europe. Even in purely selfish terms, a unified Italy would have massive hard and soft power to direct the destiny of Europe.
 
Looks like Cosmo and Machiavelli came to the opposite conclusion from Bismarck with regards to unification. They want unification first, and they can worry about who's top dog afterwards. Bismarck wanted a unified Germany with Prussia unquestionably in charge.
The problem with that way of thinking is, There really is no plan once there is reunification, there is no plan to say, crown a king or declare a republic or another government referendum that could possibly make the whole thing stick.

See while Machiavelli is playing the long game in term of getting Italy unified under one banner, he still thinks it's going to play out like a confederation of sorts, like the HRE.

However, Cosmo is playing the game where he can get a crow, or do something that will let him keep his crown., and see a unified Italy.

Plus, he also wants his family to be able to come back to the Peninsula and his beloved Florence.

As for what happens for unification and what follows after. Don't worry. I have an entire chapter prepared for that.
As for giving our godfather an offer he can't refuse, we can make mention that even after the collapse of West Rome, all of Italy was under the rule of the Ostrogoths. East Rome under Belisarius nearly reconquered Italy, but factionalism and the Sassanids prevented it from coming to fruition. Italy can be a veritable gold mine of wealth, and is arguably the heart of Christian Europe at the time. Powerful as France of the HRE may be, Italy is the cultural and intellectual center of Europe. Even in purely selfish terms, a unified Italy would have massive hard and soft power to direct the destiny of Europe.
That is what both Cosmo and Machiavelli are operating on.

There is also the uncomfortable fact that the Ottomans are about to start wrecking shit in eastern Europe, and dear god are the catholic going to be scared shitless when that time comes.
Wow. That was a dozzy. I've written omakes shorter. If everyones satisfied I can add some X's and we can make history.
THat looks fantastic man.
 
*is making sacrifices to the dice spirits and Goddess Fortuna so that Magoose Dice wake up for this turn*
 
Luciano Graziani

Composure: 7
Military: 2
Charisma: 8
Decorum: 6
Stewardship: 3
Intelligence: 14
Subterfuge: 6

Command Skills
Command: 11
Calvary Command: 5
Infantry Command: 8
Artillery Command: 6
Grand Strategy: 6

Civil Skills
Engineering: 20
Education: 14
Logistic: 6
Manual Labor: 19
Law: 7
Administration: 6

Combat Skills
Marksmanship: 15
Swordsmanship: 6
Athletics: 10
Hand to Hand: 5

Decided to touch up Luciano's skills. This includes the increases from turn 5 results as well.
 
it is a good vote, the only thing i will say, is that it focuses on why northern italy should be unified. (naples)sicily is not a mess of warring cities and feudatories, it is already a unified kingdom.

the benefits i can see, beyond what has already been mentioned, is that like a sicily ruled by the french of the spainards, it would be part of a larger whole with increased power projection and security, but unlike in those later cases, sicily's voice will be much larger, as it will account for much more of the sum territory and taxincome of italy than it would spain or france, itd also be the biggest of the existing factions that are planned to be hoovered up into a united italy.

oh, also the northern border of naples wont be a international border anymore.

im not going to make a rival vote or anything like that, these are just some thoughts i had after reading the current vote
 
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[X] Plan: The strength of a nation

Though, I would modify the last 2 parts to highlight the threat of Saracen pirates raids to the common farmer and fishermen and how an italian navy (and alarm system) could counter that.

This was still a major issue at the time, especially in the South of Italy and Sicily. To the points that wholes villages were abducted as slaves and most coatal settlments were abandonned and relocated inland (even fishing villages)
 
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