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sweet! Maybe they could be like shaped charges that create explosions that make a cone of force and fire above where the mine is rather than a general boom, to ensure that it can be used for mine work and not risk hitting dawei
Eh. At first it is just gonna be the good 'ol 'Box with a trigger' mine designs.
 
Eh. At first it is just gonna be the good 'ol 'Box with a trigger' mine designs.
More than fair, the kind I described is something we'd have to work our way up to as I figured, just throwing out possible suggestions.

They'd basically be like claymore in some respect now that I think of it, so yeah bit tricky to make.
 
Bokri has a Trait: "Low tolerance for trollshit"... and this definitely smells.
Well, I was going to vote for keeping it a secret and getting the secret to force Olli to give us some concessions later. However, I can't actually come up with an argument to this so I guess I'm voting nobody fleeces a ranger.

And I had such plans for that cash...

[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger
 
Well, I was going to vote for keeping it a secret and getting the secret to force Olli to give us some concessions later. However, I can't actually come up with an argument to this so I guess I'm voting nobody fleeces a ranger.

And I had such plans for that cash...

[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger
You and me both, and I won't be complaining if the open mining wins, but at least 'nobody fleeces a ranger' does have IC grounding and fitting. Either way, we're able to move forward in character and reasonably. Plus we got updates on the Everpeak situation and the budding division over the candidates for High King.
 
More than fair, the kind I described is something we'd have to work our way up to as I figured, just throwing out possible suggestions.

They'd basically be like claymore in some respect now that I think of it, so yeah bit tricky to make.
Ideally you want an insanely dirt-simple mine, so the Guild can't raise a fuss over it.

Wooden box. Fuse covered with sulfur and tar. And a trigger that if a heavy enough weight is pressed on it, causes a lot of sparks.

Something that you can go "Not a new invention. Just some existing things I put together. Honest."
 
You and me both, and I won't be complaining if the open mining wins, but at least 'nobody fleeces a ranger' does have IC grounding and fitting. Either way, we're able to move forward in character and reasonably. Plus we got updates on the Everpeak situation and the budding division over the candidates for High King.
I too would like a ton of money.

But sometimes, no deal is better than a bad deal.
 
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[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!

We have a couple of avenues to improve our bargaining position so waiting a little while we pursue those seems wise to me, never negotiate from a position of weakness, particularly if you will soon be strong.

I was a little hesitant to mine the Gromril just yet in any case, we might have the attention of the Skaven already but that's going to be magnified once they find out about the Gromril. If we can delay their finding out for a few turns more than otherwise that gives us more time to fortify up and build up the throng which is all to the good.
 
Ideally you want an insanely dirt-simple mine, so the Guild can't raise a fuss over it.

Wooden box. Fuse covered with sulfur and tar. And a trigger that if a heavy enough weight is pressed on it, causes a lot of sparks.

Something that you can go "Not a new invention. Just some existing things I put together. Honest."
Gotcha gotcha, avoid the red tape basically.

I too would like a ton of money.

But sometimes, no deal is worse than a bad deal.
In the words of Willy Wonka, strike that, reverse it :p But i get what you mean about taking the deal being arguably worse than not taking it. Which is why I'm okay with either open mining or holding off winning, as I'm basically good to go either way.
 
I was a little hesitant to mine the Gromril just yet in any case, we might have the attention of the Skaven already but that's going to be magnified once they find out about the Gromril. If we can delay their finding out for a few turns more than otherwise that gives us more time to fortify up and build up the throng which is all to the good.
Oh that's true. What's to stop them from intercepting one of the processed gromril shipments and connecting the dots? Gnawdwell could definitely figure that out. We're not getting any gromril goodies either. In fact, if we wanted some they'd probably make us buy it at a huge markup.
 
Oh that's true. What's to stop them from intercepting one of the processed gromril shipments and connecting the dots? Gnawdwell could definitely figure that out. We're not getting any gromril goodies either. In fact, if we wanted some they'd probably make us buy it at a huge markup.
Basically doing to us what I hinted at being done to the Sollanders in my fruit focused omake? I can see it.
 
[X] Mine the Gromril. Don't hide its presence:

Ok, I am taking the deal, I know it is not a great deal BUT Vikki said that we can renegotiate it afterward and we could REALLY use that gold next turn...
Due to the increased demand of weaponry from across the Karaz Ankor. Zhufbar has had to raise its prices.
Import Handguns and Pistols.
Import Handguns, pistols, Grudge-Rakers, grenades, landmines, trollhammer torpedoes, drakefire guns(No Gromril Armour included), and Cinderblast bombs.
Cost: 30000
0/5000
[] Clan Rakidum Artillery?:
Your rangers greatly value speed and manoeuvrability. Two aspects not found in most artillery pieces. But Vikki is sure that she can find some form of artillery that suits the way Clan Rakidum fights. She's asking for enough gold to set up a production line for something she promises will be 'Very handy indeed.'

0/15000
[] Lever-action and Heavy crossbow production:
A design that's been around since the Golden Age. Lever-action crossbows have historically been too expensive to field for most quarrelers. And the invention of handguns has made any Dawi rich enough to afford one, instead purchase a fancy gun. The Lever-Action crossbow is capable of rapidly firing bolts from an internal magazine as fast as the wielder can crank the lever. Each bolt almost hits with the same force as a normal crossbow.

The Heavy Crossbow is, in essence, a small one-person ballista that fires oversized Bolts able to punch through even the armour of a Black Ork. With a low fire rate and large ammunition, this weapon will be used by one in every ten Rangers to provide a means to take out larger threats.

Vikki has done the math. And she's sure that while she can give every Ranger one of these weapons eventually. But it will require several things. First, she will need precision lathes from Zhufbar. Secondly, she will need apprentices and assistants to assist her in her work. Both of which will be incredibly expensive.
Ranger Upgrade:
Specialized crossbows:

Vikki's Workshop is expanded with 'Advanced Crossbow Workshops':
Using precision lathes imported from Zhufbar, great quantities of complicated mechanical components can be made. Vikki and her apprentices work on supplying the Rangers of Karak Skarrenruf with Lever-Action crossbows.
Since that would pay these things that we certainly want when we enter the wastes next year...
 
Leaves an impression to other Guilds that you won't tolerate being fleeced. Will make them less likely to make the attempt.
Imo, with our Status as a new Guild, this is worth a lot.
Our people (rangers) are the misfits of dwarf society... but we're bringing them into the fold.

Improving our reputation among other guild masters will be good for our guild in the long run.
 
I'm thinking that you could try to promote the Ranger Guild as something like that. A way for Dawi who have done something they want to atone for, but aren't quite ready to die, to still help the Karaz Ankor. From the shadows and away from their place of shame.

I really love this idea, but two things:

One, we'd have to make like a ranger bootcamp to bring non-rangers up to the previous Kataz Ankor standard. A silversmith from Karaz-a-Karak who has literally never seen the sun will just die if he tries to solo journey to Skarrenruf on the surface.

Second, how exactly would we advertise this? "Join the Rangers Guild, we pay in Shame Capacity"?

But I'm gonna give you an option relatively soon, to bring in a fully dedicated warrior Clan. They'd be expensive. Thousands of gold each turn because you need to support the fact they don't practice a profession besides war.

Want. Taking this, absolutely. A professional shieldwall we can shoot from behind? 100% going for that.

Across the city, you can hear Dawi falling about Alriksson's failing health.

*talking

What's the High King going to do. Drool on the slates?" The Guild Master says, crossing his arms and looking at Vikki like she's a particularly rowdy and stupid child. "All these affairs are legal. The only reason he is still on the throne is that all the candidates are still gathering allies and making great displays of bravery and heroism for when he croaks."

Holy shit. I mean, I wasn't expecting this to be without problems, but I definitely was *not* expecting such utter blatant disrespect for the High King. It's downright Umgi-like.

You will need one hell of a Reckoner to untangle the red tape and improve your deal

....You know, maybe that Priest of Grungni I was considering may become relevant after all.

I'll write the omake, we'll see how it turns out.

No no no. What you do with a pass like that is, you set down clearly marked minefields everything except the road, then build a zillion gun bunkers that you can pour fire down the road itself.

Yes! This is exactly what I meant by restricting approaches to Karaks. You make it so the only safe approach is straight into your guns.

[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!

On consideration, I really like this. Less about spiteing the Miners and more because a reputation for demanding respect in fact creates respect.
 
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[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!:
Refuse to sign any contract. Just walk out of the hall. Nobody bends you over a barrel!
Negotiate another day from a better position.
Leaves an impression to other Guilds that you won't tolerate being fleeced. Will make them less likely to make the attempt.
 
[X] Mine the Gromril. Don't hide its presence

it literally doubles the amount of money we have to spend, turning that down hurts us more than the miners
 
Holy shit. I mean, I wasn't expecting this to be without problems, but I definitely was *not* expecting such utter blatant disrespect for the High King. It's downright Umgi-like.
Dawi definitely act differently when with just their own kind, compared to when the Umgi are around. Especially grumpy Living Ancestors.

....You know, maybe that Priest of Grungni I was considering may become relevant after all.

I'll write the omake, we'll see how it turns out.
Having a character who serves as a dedicated Reckoner could be pretty cool.
 
[X] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!:
Refuse to sign any contract. Just walk out of the hall. Nobody bends you over a barrel!
Negotiate another day from a better position
 
In this case this would be something you'd use the orkish tendency to charge ahead against them and goad/trick them into running over it with the main bulk of their forces. Even if an Ork is being 'subtle' their forces will still go after a presented fight pretty directly.
Yeah, but to really blow up an orc force that way, you need to get them packed in dense. Running humanoids can only pack themselves so densely, if nothing else because if the second rank follows too close behind the first rank they keep getting kicked in the kneecaps by the churning feet of the first rank.

What you'd want is to lure the orcs into charging up against an obstacle or a confined space, so that the pressure of the ones behind packs the front ranks in more tightly... but when you do that, using several tons of explosives means you're blowing up the obstacle itself, so you'd do better with the equivalent of claymores or guns firing grapeshot.

I like the idea of minefields. I'm giving Vikki a "Alternate explosives" research option. Involving stuff beyond just satchel charges.
I mean.

Engineers habitually work with explosives. Engineers like to trap their stuff so no one can muck about with it. Engineers don't want the aforesaid traps to be destructive enough to break their stuff beyond repair.

Mechanically (or, in extreme cases, electrically) triggered fragmentation mines seem like an obvious combination.

sweet! Maybe they could be like shaped charges that create explosions that make a cone of force and fire above where the mine is rather than a general boom, to ensure that it can be used for mine work and not risk hitting dawei
The nice thing about Ironbreakers is that they're so well armored that if a fragmentation bomb goes off near them it's probably not going to do more than lightly scuff the finish on their kit.

[] Nobody fleeces a Ranger!

We have a couple of avenues to improve our bargaining position so waiting a little while we pursue those seems wise to me, never negotiate from a position of weakness, particularly if you will soon be strong.

I was a little hesitant to mine the Gromril just yet in any case, we might have the attention of the Skaven already but that's going to be magnified once they find out about the Gromril. If we can delay their finding out for a few turns more than otherwise that gives us more time to fortify up and build up the throng which is all to the good.
@Woahdan ...

We already disarmed a member of the Council of Thirteen. In more ways than one.

I'm pretty sure we've maxed out our level of Skaven aggro.
 
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