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So we could take the Japan route, then? Next to no military force and instead focus efforts into economic and civilian technological advancement? Better than the Iron Curtain.
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And with a super genius in the midst? Who might stay behind and begin a business?
The Wealth of Nations intensifies!
Although trying to do that in a nation that can literally be described as an Army with a state for most of its history... is something that will make it very difficult.
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Yes.
Hell, you have another power where you literally age slower than the average mutant once you reach maturity.
You'll be fine.
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Now that I think about am also kind of hoping that if we manage to make Germany an economic powerhouse and gain a ton of influence that we may be able to turn Germany into Genosha 2.0. As in a place that accepts all kinds of people including mutants.And with a super genius in the midst? Who might stay behind and begin a business?
The Wealth of Nations intensifies!
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-[x]"But the war is lost, we can't win, can we? If we're defeated, we've to ensure that Germany will win the peace. If we help them with Hydra and the SS maybe we can save Germany as a nation." Your pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
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-[x]"But the war is lost, we can't win, can we? If we're defeated, we've to ensure that Germany will win the peace. If we help them with Hydra and the SS maybe we can save Germany as a nation." Your pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
[x]Talk About the Future: The Old Man wants to talk to you. He wants to… speak about what the future may hold for you.
[x]Pray: You feel empty inside. Perhaps God can help you feel whole. To stop feeling so sad.
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Well that's going to take some work.
Esspecially if the Americans and Soviets or Isreal.. or Hydra and the Nazi's don't decide we're better off with them.
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You know one such country, divided into two parts by the occupation zones of the West and the East, whose capital is also divided into two parts, however, as a result of diplomacy, the country was united, and also still the country does not participate in military blocs and has an article in the Constitution guaranteeing the neutrality of such a country.
Everyone always forgets Austria. However, in fact, the unification of Austria is part of the USSR's foreign policy program "to turn the client state into something better." And although the plan went with varying success in 1947-1950, because Western Austria had many problems with the economy, with the death of Stalin, the process quickly led to a neutral country.
To which the Chancellor of West Germany said that he would "send Hitler's remains home" (which is quite difficult, given that his ashes were scattered, and a piece of the skull is in Moscow). The GDR has never been, and especially until the end of the 50s, a particularly good country for the USSR (unlike Poland), so the question "let's exchange the GDR for something" constantly surfaced in the Foreign Ministry and the Central Committee. The question is that it was politically very difficult because of the personalities.
Beria offered, rather like a draft, a rather banal "independent Germany for a billion dollars", simply and banal. So it is not surprising that even under Stalin, Zhdanov or Molotov could raise such a question, but since the dispute over food supplies and machine tools in 1947, the German issue was too painful for diplomacy. If you make a country "radical" and "radical" from other sides, you get Korea, not Austria.
Gonna try and reword Jax's write-in a little.
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-[]"But the war is lost. We can't win, can we? If we lose the war, we have to ensure that Germany will win the peace. If we help them with Hydra and the SS, maybe we can save Germany as a nation." You pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
What do you all think? Should I add this to my plan?
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-[]"But the war is lost. We can't win, can we? If we lose the war, we have to ensure that Germany will win the peace. If we help them with Hydra and the SS, maybe we can save Germany as a nation." You pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
What do you all think? Should I add this to my plan?
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I would imagine that compared to Austria, Germany is a hot potato.
We see what a unified Germany can do economically after the wall fell, they are one of the most powerful economies in Europe.
Now do that in the 50's.
It might be weird, and good, or bad all in one.
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On the other side of the wall, it looks a little different, in the matter of comparing Austria and Germany. In any case, in the 50s, Germany's growth would not have been so significant for the banal reason of the complexity of economic integration between European countries with neutrality. Coal and Steel Union, etc. things will become much more difficult to achieve, as will an unlimited pipe with oil from the east.
However, demilitarization will indeed lead to a sharp economic growth simply due to the fact that there is no need to spend a substantial part of the country's domestic product on things that will never pay off.
But we must understand that with Germany's neutrality, even with rapid initial growth, we will find ourselves in the position of Japan in the 70s, with the exhaustion of economies of scale and opportunities for markets. I have doubts that we are tightly integrated into the economy of France and Italy, and even more so the Soviet part of Europe.
Although, of course, without tank wedges to the English Channel, the Cold War will be categorically different. With neutral Germany, and even more so Austria, it makes no sense to invest huge amounts of money on both sides in a maneuver war. The main battlefield is likely to instantly turn into spies at an even higher level, despite the fact that Berlin was already the spy capital of the world.
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Well there is the possibility of getting ourselves into an economy that would require everyone to play nice while we... do good stuff.
Maybe become the biggest rocket nation on the planet.
And then we make the Cold War the greatest spy thriller ever, even more then IRL
I mean, it could still grow bigly.
Yes, but we need to stamp out the prussian militerism.
I'm guessing people want to make a speech but don't know what to say.
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--[X] "But the war is lost, we can't win, can we? Britain, the Soviets, the Americans, all have sworn to bring us down. If we're defeated, we have to ensure that Germany will win the peace. Let us be gracious in defeat and perhaps our foes will be gracious in victory. If we help them with Hydra and the SS, maybe we can save Germany as a nation." Your pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
-[X] Talk About the Future: The Old Man wants to talk to you. He wants to… speak about what the future may hold for you.
-[X] Pray: You feel empty inside. Perhaps God can help you feel whole. To stop feeling so sad.
Mental health is important. We should also point out how against Germany the odds are.
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--[X] "But the war is lost, we can't win, can we? Britain, the Soviets, the Americans, all have sworn to bring us down. If we're defeated, we have to ensure that Germany will win the peace. Let us be gracious in defeat and perhaps our foes will be gracious in victory. If we help them with Hydra and the SS, maybe we can save Germany as a nation." Your pause. "Or we can watch it all burn and hope for the best, just like the Führer did."
-[X] Talk About the Future: The Old Man wants to talk to you. He wants to… speak about what the future may hold for you.
-[X] Pray: You feel empty inside. Perhaps God can help you feel whole. To stop feeling so sad.
Mental health is important. We should also point out how against Germany the odds are.
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One more d100 please.
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Seriously? Again?
What were those rolls