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RandyTrevelyan said:
Because religious nuts make such stable political partners. Why is signing onto the smallest group with the greatest chance of facturing resulting in loss of support at a crutial unpredictable moment better than either of the other two?
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Oh simple because it's a different choice, most times I wouldn't vote for the Zealots and in other Nation Quests in the past I did go over the Zealots for other parties. Same reason why I didn't want to go with the Communists and I don't want to go with the GNVP here as well since that's been done before and I haven't been part of a Nation Quest where the Zealots had government support. And well to me that sounds both new and interesting to do so why wouldn't I support there party and help firm it up so it can expand and not fracture apart?

And anyways all three parties have a chance of fracturing here given the Nations state right now, along with that only the Zealots will become Ironclad in Loyalty if we support them the other two just become neutral leaning friendly to us. And anyway I'm sure we can pass laws that support the other two parties we just won't get as much support from them.
 
[X]plan:no to the zealots

The church is already on our side. And we can secure them in the future with our support for things like trying to fin Valkyur descendants, like I noted in my last post. -_-

Work with the present because what's happening right now is the crisis gate for the future.

In the future, yes, right now its a friendly 16 seat party versus a hostile 60 seat party that we can get on our side. Like... this really shouldn't be a question. This entire meeting is for dealing with the present crisis, not a future one.
RandyTrevelyan said:
I suppose I can switch my stance as long as we agree to take steps to mitigate the damages. That was always my intension with the ZP and It can be applied here as well, tho it will be more difficult as they aren't seeing a massive destabilization of their voter base which we could exploit to take control. I suppose we will find some other way to manage.

I'd suggest making a write in law which limits conscription if their are not Senior officers with a certain number of years in service to assume command upon completion of training. It prevents the canon fodder youth conscript scenario from becoming a reality.
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That's... a decent idea. I would honestly want competency tests more than just seniority. And like I noted, I'd want to try and have relaxed conscription laws anyway.
 
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ConfusedCanuck said:
Oh simple because it's a different choice, most times I wouldn't vote for the Zealots and in other Nation Quests in the past I did go over the Zealots for other parties. Same reason why I didn't want to go with the Communists and I don't want to go with the GNVP here as well since that's been done before and I haven't been part of a Nation Quest where the Zealots had government support. And well to me that sounds both new and interesting to do so why wouldn't I support there party and help firm it up so it can expand and not fracture apart?

And anyways all three parties have a chance of fracturing here given the Nations state right now, along with that only the Zealots will become Ironclad in Loyalty if we support them the other two just become neutral leaning friendly to us. And anyway I'm sure we can pass laws that support the other two parties we just won't get as much support from them.
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Really? Because I'm having trouble finding nation quests where the Pro religion option isn't taken. Mostly warhammer, but the fact remains that I've had 5 or 6 quests in the last 2 months pick that option. Honestly it's starting to seem impossible to join a new quest of this nature and avoid a pro religion option being selected.
 
RandyTrevelyan said:
Really? Because I'm having trouble finding nation quests where the Pro religion option isn't taken. Mostly warhammer, but the fact remains that I've had 5 or 6 quests in the last 2 months pick that option. Honestly it's starting to seem impossible to join a new quest of this nature and avoid a pro religion option being selected.
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I wasn't counting Warhammer or thinking about that honestly since well in Warhammer both Fantasy and 40K the gods are very much real so they must be considered and taken into account no matter what path you take there so religion is a forgone conclusion.

But for non-Warhammer nation quest the religion options aren't taken too often. Or at least all the Nation games I've been part of they haven't taken the religion option.
 
ConfusedCanuck said:
I wasn't counting Warhammer or thinking about that honestly since well in Warhammer both Fantasy and 40K the gods are very much real so they must be considered and taken into account no matter what path you take there so religion is a forgone conclusion.

But for non-Warhammer nation quest the religion options aren't taken too often. Or at least all the Nation games I've been part of they haven't taken the religion option.
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Hmm. I'll have to find more non warhammer nation quests then. Any mid length(less than 200000 words) ones you can recommend?
 
*buries face in hands*

This vote is not about what we do in the future, its about solving our immediate problem and the Church is already on our side.
 
I would like to note that the Yggdist party is, at the moment, not too radical. Imagine more a 1920's European Christian Conservative party than modern American fundamentalists: At the moment the YPG is socially conservative, with the exception of women's rights, where they are more progressive. The YPG supports the former aristocracy, but also has a small wing not extremely opposed to the democratic method of governance, though most of the members are more in favour of an autocracy. They support agriculturist movements, but find no issue with the expanding industrial sector, as long as it complies with YPG guidelines, which are aimed at limiting waste and providing a basic safety net. On the foreign front though, a return to imperialism, the return of important Germanian regions and, in the far future, and if possible, Imperial reunification.

Will expand on this post when my laptop is repaired. Typing on this phone sucks.

Vote is open, by the way.
 
Ok so yeah the Yggdist party does not sound bad at all to grow closer to then for me. And we did a slight misdeed to them by calling them Zealots since there not there yet.
 
[X]plan:no to the zealots

Ignoring the issue of religious fanatics, we simply don't have the resources to devote to looking towards Valkyrie and religious education would doubtlessly take time to implement. The KvP align with our goals, and are much easier to keep sane then the zelaots.
 
Starwarlord said:
[X]plan:no to the zealots

Ignoring the issue of religious fanatics, we simply don't have the resources to devote to looking towards Valkyrie and religious education would doubtlessly take time to implement. The KvP align with our goals, and are much easier to keep sane then the zelaots.
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But their not fanatics yet, and have reasonable policies for now. Despite the plan name anyways
 
Honestly I'm fine with either the KVP or Yiggists winning here as long as it helps work to reforming the old empire. I just prefer the YPG slightly more here.
 
Starwarlord said:
and are much easier to keep sane then the zelaots.
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Ghostdevil said:
But their not fanatics yet, and have reasonable policies for now. Despite the plan name anyways
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ConfusedCanuck said:
Honestly I'm fine with either the KVP or Yiggists winning here as long as it helps work to reforming the old empire. I just prefer the YPG slightly more here.
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Okay. So I want the church myself. They are easily the most down to earth of the three here, these are ministers, priests, nuns, etc. and they are distinctly part of the community in a way a lot of politicians aren't.

They aren't zealots, they're people trying to help right now.

They are trying to advance their own policies, but I expect those to be mostly about helping the communities they are grounded in.

They also have a quarter of the seats of the second smallest/largest faction here.

They are objectively the single worst choice here in order to secure ourself. Even if they were all Neutral Leaning Hostile, which the church isn't, its 16 seats vs. 60 seats vs. 80 seats.

I like them, I want to support them because they'll support their communities with a bit of oversight cause Church corruption is an old hat, but they are not a political heavy weight. Not yet.

Honestly I really hate both of those plan names, its galvanizing in the worst way.
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
They aren't zealots, they're people trying to help right now.

Honestly I really hate both of those plan names, its galvanizing in the worst way.
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Yeah, I would like to support this stance here. Again, while I cannot force people to do things differently, please do not paint what at the moment basically is a somewhat conservative party with a religious base as crusading zealots. Thank you all.

Apart from that, I have found a temporary replacement for the broken laptop. The second part of the results will come on Sunday if possible!


In the meantime, research for the second turn continues. Quoted is a small portion, at the moment, of the search history. "Scharnhorst-klasse (Zweiter weltkrieg), winter relief programmes of the 20th and 21st century, political circumstances of the Weimar Republic, Flugzeugträger Hōshō, French attitudes to NATO, colonial conflicts of the 20th century, Deutsches schiffbau im 20. jahrhundert, 38 cm S.K. C/34 schiffskanone, Deutsche Schlachtkreuzer im 20. jahrhundert, M26 'General Pershing' technical data, and Entwicklungs-Panzer E-50".
 
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