People tend to not do things outside their own personality and natures as well, but as you said our nature can change in real life as well as in this quest as Proud Waters.
LIterally the first post you claim
Which is straight up wrong, your argument against humanizing our MC. Even if we merged with the Ocean we would still have a personality and power outside of what the ocean can actually do, we'd still be an avatar.
Tend not to do things outside of their nature, yes being quite literally incapable of doing so no.
And, that is in no way wrong the QM literally said we can merge with the ocean, and become inhuman it just depends on our actions just as becoming human-like does.
How this argument ends up resolving in story shouldn't overly affect that as regardless of how abstract or human Proud Waters ends up becoming as a deity they should still be able to grab domains like healing/life, and death so that we can expand better on land.
You guys can go on about focusing on Life vs Death, but I'm just mentioning that it's better to start grabbing land sooner rather than later. It's an easy thing to do with a lot of benefits, whether it's to get it as a domain, or just to increase our population, production, and expand farms and housing.
We would still be merely an avatar, unless your advocating for full on eldritch being that no longer needs or even understands humans? Which i guess going full blue and orange morality could be amusing but i'd rather go full humanized God to truly relate with our followers.
I'm still sticking with Sea Snake, it can go on both sea and land and also via shedding of it's skin we can simbolicly connect with life and death process.
We would still be merely an avatar, unless your advocating for full on eldritch being that no longer needs or even understands humans? Which i guess going full blue and orange morality could be amusing but i'd rather go full humanized God to truly relate with our followers.
I would go more for enlightened type of being, something our followers can strive for opposed to going full human. So human, but better?
And it's kinda mandatory given that we are striving to be responsible for both life and death. In such a process some human flaws need to be removed. We shouldn't just strive to be our followers better in power, but in character as well, give them some philosophical homework to do .
You guys can go on about focusing on Life vs Death, but I'm just mentioning that it's better to start grabbing land sooner rather than later. It's an easy thing to do with a lot of benefits, whether it's to get it as a domain, or just to increase our population, production, and expand farms and housing.
Wait you mean the literal domain of land/earth just as we have the domain of the sea? Are you planning on eating that mountain spirit or something? That seems like the best way to get it to be honest considering he's so far ahead of us there. If not I'd suggest just sticking to developing the domains of life, and death since they seem to have in land appeal.
We would still be merely an avatar, unless your advocating for full on eldritch being that no longer needs or even understands humans? Which i guess going full blue and orange morality could be amusing but i'd rather go full humanized God to truly relate with our followers.
We do not need to be an avatar we may have an avatar in the form of our divine servants but if we can merge with the sea we can become a conceptual god who is the sea without being a fully eldritch entity, and as such have a blue, and orange morality so long as we perform the merger as an inhuman deity that is as if we decide to merge with it as a human entity I imagine the sea would be more just an extension of our body or will rather than the more conceptual nature of the former option.
And, I'd prefer not to become human specifically so that we don't open ourselves up to the failings that come with being human.
Well, yes if we take actions that result in us becoming more human we're obviously going to change in nature, and become ever more an individualized person.
Well, yes if we take actions that result in us becoming more human we're obviously going to change in nature, and become ever more an individualized person.
I generally understand that, as a human we are basically corruptible and corruptible god is dangerous god. It's good to have some personality but we shouldn't try to emulate humans, instead we should try more to act as example, or guiding hand. At least in my opinion.
Otherwise , regarding the becoming the sea, well as said i would rather be shape shifters, taking multiple forms including human. Also be both male and female and neither because as a God we shouldn't need to be limited to things like Gender, age etc.
That way even if we take human form we won't truly be human and will be able to relate to all our followers.
If we are going to be taking on some physical form go big or go home. Have Proud Waters literally be Cthulhu.
But honestly the most important thing for them is their voice, their means of communication. It doesn't matter if Proud Waters is some abstract thing or goes by Greg and lives down the street, so long as worshippers know that if you sacrifice a goat and offer whatever cool shit you found on the way over to the local shrine before your next fishing trip, you're gonna be eating good that night.
But honestly what is even the goal of being human? Of all the cool imagery you could invoke in an avatar, the infinite possibility that could be had in making the most metal thing imaginable we go with that? PW could be the water that rises and takes shape from the sea. Who can literally be a sapient bitch slap who smacks followers who offer us weaksauce offerings. God and his angels were eldritch abominations who could become fire tornadoes and turn people into salt, and they got turned into just another bunch of jackasses in sandals, and I'll be damned before another OG gets done dirty like that.
Which means nothing, were still going to have flaws and failings in some way (unless Azel lets us be perfect or something) regardless of how human or how non human we try to be. Humanity just means we relate better to our followers. Anything is seems to be pretty much decorative
Nevermind that all the most human or the most alien Gods are the ones that are the most interesting.
I talked about the specific flaws that come with being human not about how by not being human we wouldn't have any flaws or about how being inhuman wouldn't introduce new flaws related to that nature.
Which means nothing, were still going to have flaws and failings in some way (unless Azel lets us be perfect or something) regardless of how human or how non human we try to be. Humanity just means we relate better to our followers. Anything is seems to be pretty much decorative
Nevermind that all the most human or the most alien Gods are the ones that are the most interesting.
The thing about being the sea for example is that you cannot argue with the sea, or befriend the sea, or have it to bend the rules for you. You can pray to it, learn about it and hope it will notice you which is the point.
We aren't human and we are playing big role in human life (especially if we go life and death).
Being able to relate to our followers is fine and good but the fact is that we aren't their friends, or one of them, we are something more to them.
The thing about being the sea for example is that you cannot argue with the sea, or befriend the sea or as it to bend the rules for you. You can pray to it, learn about it and hope it will notice you which is the point.
So going somewhat against our nature
We are mercenary by definition you can argue and negotiate with us, the followers and worshippers just usually won't because they probably don't think its possible.
Edit: Their even the ones who technically set the prices, since our guy didn't even notice the gifts beyond the power granted by the acts.
Wait you mean the literal domain of land/earth just as we have the domain of the sea? Are you planning on eating that mountain spirit or something? That seems like the best way to get it to be honest considering he's so far ahead of us there. If not I'd suggest just sticking to developing the domains of life, and death since they seem to have in land appeal.
I mean to the literal land. Earth. The stuff we walk on. I mean, I wouldn't say no to getting it as a domain, because obviously Land+Sea would have great synergy (think: Planet Earth) but I'm picking my battles. The mountain dude isn't necessarily the guy who controls land, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Mountain was a domain of its own, but I think we should be wary of him considering that our business partner Sky Guy got bullied by him.
Though he acted annoying, so I can't fully blame him.
I wouldn't say that Life or Death go hand-in-hand more than Land than Sea does, since the wider applications of it means it's weaker, but like that one song rap we should 'expand, expand, expand' into that Land before stuff starts happening that we won't be able to mess with.
So going somewhat against our nature
We are mercenary by definition you can argue and negotiate with us, the followers and worshippers just usually won't because they probably don't think its possible.
As i said in my edit, their the ones who set the prices, Were the supplier and their the buyer. Hell their worship is the currency, so they can take their 'money' else where if they knew to do so.
I wouldn't say that Life or Death go hand-in-hand more than Land than Sea does, since the wider applications of it means it's weaker, but like that one song rap we should 'expand, expand, expand' into that Land before stuff starts happening that we won't be able to mess with.
As i said in my edit, their the ones who set the prices, Were the supplier and their the buyer. Hell their worship is the currency, so they can take their 'money' else where if they knew to do so.
Yea and being human helps us how? We probably already know that much even now.
I would say being more magnificent, greater and similar helps us far more in this case. Face of the company is important as much as merchandise is. Now weather we are better off by being Man/Woman, Sea, or something else is up to the discussion.
Edit: Basically, even if we wear human skin our exsistence is at its core different from Human one and thus we cannot really relate to them . They being able to relate to us on other hand? Well that's certainly possible especially if we carry what would be considered an attractive form . In my opinion having good message (propaganda) and cool logo (simbol) is far more productive.
We as a God will be able to take many forms, but those are the things that Cath the eye. Not to mention more memorable form. You can claim to see many attractive humans, but why be one in many and have ourselves be compared to Kings/Queens , instead of being , let's say giant snake. That'll make a difference.
Mountain was a domain of its own, but I think we should be wary of him considering that our business partner Sky Guy got bullied by him.
Though he acted annoying, so I can't fully blame him.
Sky child literally said, that Mountain tried to attack him the first time they meet.
'To annoy it, of course,' came the answer as if it was the most obvious thing in the world. 'If it had not wanted me to annoy it, it should not have greeted me by throwing rocks the first time I visited.'
He is just asshole. Imaho, we should kill him later. It would be for everyone best interest.
Also, I want to give my few cents to the avatar discussion.
First: Eldritch is a really overused term in my opinion. That it. Just wanted to get it off my chest.
Second: I'm all for a Aztec or Hindu style deity, that has many forms because of it's cosmic nature. Esentially I want for our tribe to imagine divinity as something rather omnipresent, for us to be a cosmic force which fundamentaly overlaps with everything. Every wave, every fish, every drop of water and even they themselves are simultaneously only part of us, as well as directly us and therefore everything we are. Esentially, all forms are valid. We are human with fish head, we are four hundred headed snake that devours and vomit the world, so it (world) could be reborn, we are a carp in the water, and we are every drop in the sea.
Or just go Cthulhu and be done with it. Is not like, chimeric gods were unpopular.
I see Thoth, I click.
Though in that picture, Taweret makes me think that someone else deserves first place....
I mean, we can't give all the trophies to the ibis-guy, right?
Ohhhh. Well, I'd be alright for having him for lunch, if we prepare for it first and get a scope of his capabilities. (Note: have him for lunch.) Though I will say that Sky Child didn't exactly show tact by continuing that behavior. If we were in the mountain-dude's position and found some strange spirit guy waltzing up in our domain, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority voted to deter it by means of force.
I wonder if we can use Sky Guy as a meatshield (airshield?windshield?atmosp-hield?) when fighting mountain-dude.
Technically its not a name, its a definition and a title, since Yahweh/Jehovah is his name or w/e.
Also doesn't matter if i capitalize it or not, what an odd thing to take issue with. Edit: Also off topic.
"Technically" it's a name. Since you seem to be at least feigning ignorance over the repeated rudeness you are dealing out against a whole religion; the capitalization matters and it doesn't do to go about saying "God isn't real away, so it's different lmao".
"Technically" it's a name. Since you seem to be at least feigning ignorance over the repeated rudeness you are dealing out against a whole religion; the capitalization matters and it doesn't do to go about saying "God isn't real away, so it's different lmao".
What do you mean? What rudeness did i say? If so i apologize, the reason i didn't capitalize it when i wrote it was because i meant to say gods with an s but i was on phone. I never did bother going back to correct it.
Edit: There went back and corrected it.
The beast lunged for you, twisting it's body in unnatural shapes while trying to follow your movements. You would not be deterred by this thing. Not in your own realm and not when it was preying on what was yours by right. Your movements turned upward, seeking to draw it into the moonlight to weaken whatever shadow cloaked it. Then, a thought summoned your herald, though it was already on the way from the moment of distress it sensed from you. But the brief distraction was all that the creature needed. When its teeth could not reach your presence, the shadows cloaking its body grew agitated. Now they peeled off entirely.
Like a wave the shadow crashed over you. It felt cold and cloying. It felt of emptiness and decay. And you could feel it tearing at your essence as it flowed through your presence. It was no formless shadow. As it surged and clung to you, you could see the tiny things making up its mass. Rotting sprats and mackerel. Shards of mussels and flakes of torn apart squids. Bones of men, ground down by the churn to razor sharp shards. It was a mockery of the sea. A mockery of you. The thing had not evaded you by hiding, but by cloaking itself in something so repulsive, so mocking of your self, that your senses had refused to acknowledge it.
And now it had hurt you. You could feel where it had passed you. The unease left behind where all those maws and sharp edges had torn at you. Pain. But not fear. This thing would not defeat you. On your command, the waters surged at the creatures body. A mass of small bones and shards and rotting meat looking like the bones of a giant lamprey, and now your waters tore and twisted the abomination to break it apart. Its body creaked and groaned under the stress, yet it did not hesitate the shortest moment to resume its attack.
A great shape swam up from the seafloor and crashed into the serpentine monster, trying to push it to the surface. Your herald had come and fearlessly charged the best, but the creature was undeterred. It would itself around the massive carp, the sharp edges of its bones grinding over the fish's scales and tearing into every imperfection and weakness they could find. Blood mixed into the water and the dead thing seemed to drink it up by its mere presence. As much as you wanted to aid your servant immediately, the cloud of dead sea life and detritus still swarmed all around you. With all you might you bade the water the move and rapid currents tore the inky cloud apart. Some parts of it became motionless in the aftermath of your attack. Others strove to immediately come together again, and you knew that you had no time.
You herald struggled with all its might, buckling in the serpents grip. In return, the monster rammed its maw into the side of the carp, tearing large chunks out of its flank with its serrated teeth. Flesh, bone and blood mingled as they struggled with each other. Quickly you focused your powers on them and had the water tear at the thin bones gripping the great fish. A few snapped and you pushed harder, breaking even more. But before you could get a hold of the monsters spine to end it, it surged upward, and it's decayed shadow followed. You gave chase and your herald likewise, even its grievous wounds unable to stop it from doing its duty, but you came too late.
With a mighty leap, the serpent launched itself out of the water and the mass of rotten fish re-joined the skeleton. But instead of cloaking it like false flesh again, the black mass spread and spread. Two vast wings stretched from its spine, moonlight glistening on the wet gore that formed them. They beat down, sounding like the scream of a thousand dying things and launched the beast further into the sky.
Devourer Flees: 1 5 = 6 vs. 14 = 5 -> Success
What now?
[] Follow it alone into the sky and finish the beast.
[] Let it flee and take care of your heralds wounds.
[] Dive back down and gather the parts of its body that it lost before the currents disperse them.
AN: Pretty short, but I need a decision here. Finding the Sky Child would take too long and the Devourer would escape, which is why it is not an option to seek them out.
