To Struggle and Strive: The Combined Syndicates of America in 1932. A Kaiserreich Quest

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Scheduled vote count started by notbirdofprey on Oct 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM, finished with 32 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
    -[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    --[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
    --[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
    --[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
    [X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
    -[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
    [X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
    [x] "We'll stand against the KKK together. Nothing more." Accept his first offer, but not the second.
    [X] "How about this? We'll stand together against the KKK, if nothing else. In the meantime, your folks and our folks can work together on the local level, and we'll see where things go from there. No full fusion...but a start."
    [X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
    -[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    --[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
    --[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
    --[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
    ---[X] Push for these rates to be better for collectivized enterprises (+5 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
notbirdofprey threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: FTP Acceptance: D100+25, DC 10 Total: 56
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notbirdofprey threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Long Attitude: D100+15, DC 50 Total: 30
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July 1934 Results Pt.2
Meet With Long Pt. 2

Long considers. "Fair enough, I suppose. I was hoping for more, but this is good enough. You get your people in line and consider my offer. And my door is open anytime, Mr. Reed."

He sounds a little disappointed, but only a little. He stands up and shakes your hand firmly before turning to leave.

At the door, he pauses and looks back. "We might end up opponents in '36, but I wish you the best of luck all the same."

It seems like he might say more, but then he leaves without a word. After he goes, you check with the Red Guards (the Minutemen behaved, except for catcalling a couple passerby) and the tail Schenk had on Long (he went back to his own offices.)

You don't hear from Long personally for a time, but word trickles up of Share Our Wealth Clubs and Minutemen branches cooperating with Red Guards throughout the South, and you suppose he's hearing the same things.

And you field some irritable complaints from CSA members, especially from the Red Grange. At least most of your inner circle is supportive, especially Schenk. Your spymaster reasons that either the Minutemen will serve as cannon fodder for Red Guards or radicalize through exposure to them. And he views both options as acceptable.

Then about a week later, he calls. "Would you consider something a bit closer if I throw in something to sweeten the deal? There's a copy of a bill that will do quite a bit of damage to your cause on my desk, and I will give you it and have the AFP stonewall and sabotage it every chance we get in exchange for a more formal alliance. It doesn't need to be everything, but it needs to be more."

[] [LONG] No. You aren't renegotiating.
[] [LONG] Yes. How about you make an official speech praising Long for cutting off the National Populists?
[] [LONG] Yes. How about we arrange some low-level fusion tickets?
[] [LONG] Write-in

Negotiate with the Co-Ops Pt.2
Jordie sat before the SPA delegation wearing his best clothes, an old, slightly musty black suit. Beside and behind him were arrayed nearly three-quarters of the leadership of the Fix The Price Movement.

Across was Jack Reed, who half the country thought would be the next President. He didn't quite know how to handle that.

He was taking very careful breaths as he signed the creamy paper of their agreement then passed it over to Reed, who did the same. He collapsed back into his seat and let out a sigh. Reed stood up and began to give another speech, but Jordie was too tired to care.

He had spent a long time traveling, speaking at co-op after co-op. They had common grievances, his plan was simple, and the Red Guards didn't try to stop him, but the sheer amount of travel he did wore him out. Even with all his tickets paid by some grain speculators hoping to take advantage.

A faint smile crossed his lips. Those speculators and the men loyal to their money were the only ones unhappy with this settlement. They had railed against him and his fellows after they decided the agreement was fair, but not one who hadn't been bought and paid was persuaded.

Union-Integrated Planning: 2 Influence, 1+19+32=52[
The SyndIntern advisors meet with the men and women responsible for setting up the planning commission of the CSA. They don't quite approve of the concept as a whole, but think your implementation of it is at least generally sound.

They have also uncovered some seriously flawed assumptions in how an industrialized economy works as a whole and sharply curtailed them. Projections for agricultural growth are revised downwards, further emphasis on transportation is included in the general planning.

Other than that, the situation goes on as it does. General data on agriculture and industry is gathered, with wide error bars included. Connections between local union branches are established to help coordinate. In many cities, offices spring up to let each factory know what's being produced and what's being sent their way, connected by a fragile network of telegraphs and telephones.

And still, the Planning Bureau churns away, always asking for more paper, more calculators, more personnel.

Perhaps even the current decentralized state is not enough. Many of the SyndIntern advisors have suggested that you decentralize either and not bother to plan consumer goods at all except for the most basics, and leave that to the unions and cooperatives entirely.

This has gotten the Planning Bureau up in arms, as they insist they can handle it with complete confidence.

The disagreement has provoked some serious tension, especially as the SyndIntern advisors continually hold their earlier corrections above the heads of the Planning Board.

Eventually, both groups decide to go to you. By this point, it has become a point of pride.

[] [PLAN] Why should we plan how many children's toys are produced? (Pleases the SyndIntern and the IWW. Consumer goods are no longer centrally planned.)

[] [PLAN] It's a vital sector of the economy. (Pleases the ASA. Consumer goods will continue to be centrally planned. Additional -1 Resources per month cost.)

Socialist Markets: 3 Influence, 61+53+13+25=152

The outpouring of support behind the concept of the labor voucher is overwhelming, even if many seem to consider it nothing more than a slightly different currency. But the statement behind establishing it has set many hearts and minds afire. While the federal government protests and threatens to burn any labor voucher and arrest any carrier, their impotent bellowing is given the weight it deserves.

And in Pittsburgh, a grand council of economists, socialists, syndicalists, anarchists, foreign observers, journalists, and many more is convened. There are many issues to be discussed, and the halls of the convention center chosen are filled with panels and meetings and discussion groups. These conversations spill out into the street, as ordinary workers debate the issues of the day. Pamphlets and papers describe the possibilities in great detail.

A few matters are decided relatively simply. Everyone will get a moderate number of vouchers of a low value for free, to enable them to purchase the basic necessities and a little bit more no matter what. Then comes a general array of vouchers representing labor, with a few higher levels for rarer or more specialized work like being a doctor. Also added in is a system for individuals to be democratically awarded additional vouchers for good citizenship, impressive feats of labor, and other such accomplishments.

However, the matter of currency immediately comes up. Not everywhere will be able to convert to the voucher system immediately, and there will be a great deal of cash lying around for a great many years. And there is the question of foreign exchange...

In addition, many people running credit unions want to know their future role in a voucher-based economy and many workers wonder if they will have some way to save vouchers.

[] [CASH] As an area transitions to the voucher system, there will be a grace period in which cash can be exchanged for vouchers. Afterwards, it will be worthless.
[] [CASH] Cash can be exchanged for vouchers at any time. Once we win, we will stop printing, destroy any we are given, and let the supply decrease.
[] [CASH] Under the circumstances, we will accept a parallel cash and voucher economy, but will attempt to set exchange rates to favor using vouchers
[] [CASH] Money is just a social construct and one we declare to have no meaning.
[] [CASH] Write-in

[] [CREDIT] Credit unions are simply a transitional structure
[] [CREDIT] Credit unions will help workers create or expand their own enterprises in the future by helping invest capital
[] [CREDIT] Write-in

[] [SAVE] Vouchers will have no formal expiration date
[] [SAVE] Vouchers will expire eventually, but there will be a way for people to fund large purchases such as houses and cars.
[] [SAVE] Vouchers can be converted into some sort of alternate form that has limited uses but can fund large personal purchases.

Offer an Alternative: 2 Influence, 96+34+7=137

While many of those who would have been targeted have found other sources of solace and conviction, there are still many adrift or trapped in ideologically uncomfortable places. So you work with the AFL to reach out to them, and many respond. The numbers of the AFL swell in response. Unfortunately, the most right-wing section of it swells the most, triggering a response from the rest of the union.

While they are not expelled, they are censured. Many of the most reactionary either fall in line or leave altogether, while the most revolutionary have begun forming an organized pressure group within the broader union, determined to "hold Lewis's feet to the fire, and burn them off if he doesn't give."

The end result is a few grateful upper-level AFL-CIO officials distracted from lobbying for moderation by internal difficulties, growing radicalization among their ranks, and a general increase to their size.

All in all, a satisfactory effort. And there's still more to be done.

Result: Action continues.

Personal: Spend Time With Family
Spending time with your family takes a different form than normal. Louise and Hannah are both very excited by the various debates going on about the role of women in a socialist country, and you are going to support the both of them. Whether that takes the form of being an audience for Hannah to practice her speeches in front of, shepherding the two across New York in your car, or sitting in the audience watching, you step back and let the two of them be the fiery speakers and determined organizers for a change.

Your wife's competence is familiar to you, and it gets a cheerful round of applause and a warm smile whenever she makes a salient point or trounces a debate partner.

Hannah's is brand new and as precious as gold. She might have a couple rough spots, including a tendency to hesitate, but she does better than you at her age, and her enthusiasm is tireless and infectious. You celebrate her victories and console her after defeats, and when she persuades you that part of liberation for women means her learning boxing you find her a gym. It doesn't take women at first. Then you ask nicely.

And you have your Red Guards ask that nothing bad happen to her in the gym. They also ask nicely.

Result: Stress lost.
 
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[] Plan: Laying the Groundwork
-[] [LONG] Yes. How about you make an official speech praising Long for cutting off the National Populists?
-[] [PLAN] Why should we plan how many children's toys are produced?
-[] [CASH] Cash can be exchanged for vouchers at any time. Once we win, we will stop printing, destroy any we are given, and let the supply decrease.
-[] [CREDIT] Write In: Credit unions will be phased out in the long run, but with a reward of extra labor vouchers to those who ran and worked on them in acknowledgement of their assistance in the transition to socialism.
-[] [SAVE] Vouchers will have no formal expiration date
 
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[X] Plan: Moving Beyond Capitalism
-[X] [LONG] Yes. How about you make an official speech praising Long for cutting off the National Populists?
-[X] [PLAN] Why should we plan how many children's toys are produced? (Pleases the SyndIntern and the IWW. Consumer goods are no longer centrally planned.)
-[X] [CASH] Cash can be exchanged for vouchers at any time. Once we win, we will stop printing, destroy any we are given, and let the supply decrease.
-[X] [CREDIT] Credit unions are simply a transitional structure
-[X] [SAVE] Vouchers will expire eventually, but there will be a way for people to fund large purchases such as houses and cars.
 
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So can anyone give me the run down on labour vouchers? They do sound like currency but weird. What's the pros and cons of switching to them? How are they supposed to work?
 
The two key differences between labor vouchers and money are:

1. A labor voucher can't be transferred. You use it, the transaction is marked, and it's destroyed.

2. They expire, at least theoretically, so they can't be destroyed.

They are also supposed to have their value set democratically.
 
So can anyone give me the run down on labour vouchers? They do sound like currency but weird. What's the pros and cons of switching to them? How are they supposed to work?
They're a voucher you earn as a function of working that represents some amount of the labor you performed. You can exchange them for goods and services like you would with cash, but with two very crucial differences - once they're exchanged for a good, they are rendered null and void(like, say, a movie ticket at a theatre - you hand it to the usher and they rip it in half and that's it, you can't use the ticket to gain entry anymore), and they have an expiration date associated with them. These two things combine to ensure that you cannot accumulate labor vouchers as you would with regular cash, which means they are not capital.

This is the key point and the thing that makes them so subversive, because they become a literal means of exchanging labor for goods, instead of exchanging capital for capital.
 
I like that long has come back with a compromise - I wonder what the SPA view on this will be if we progress for this
 
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And you field some irritable complaints from CSA members, especially from the Red Grange. At least most of your inner circle is supportive, especially Schenk. Your spymaster reasons that either the Minutemen will serve as cannon fodder for Red Guards or radicalize through exposure to them. And he views both options as acceptable.
Kinda funny how we were worried about the RAF's reaction and they're like "No no, this is fine!"
 
[X] Plan: Moving Beyond Capitalism
-[X] [LONG] Yes. How about you make an official speech praising Long for cutting off the National Populists?
-[X] [PLAN] Why should we plan how many children's toys are produced? (Pleases the SyndIntern and the IWW. Consumer goods are no longer centrally planned.)
-[X] [CASH] Cash can be exchanged for vouchers at any time. Once we win, we will stop printing, destroy any we are given, and let the supply decrease.
-[X] [CREDIT] Credit unions are simply a transitional structure
-[X] [SAVE] Vouchers will expire eventually, but there will be a way for people to fund large purchases such as houses and cars.

Is there any way we can further discourage cash in the short term?
 
Is there any way we can further discourage cash in the short term?
What I read from the CASH option there is that only vouchers will be used to exchange for goods, it's just that people can get more vouchers by trading in their cash(and presumably having that cash taken out of circulation). Essentially start sucking cash out of the economy and replacing it with vouchers whenever possible.
 
What I read from the CASH option there is that only vouchers will be used to exchange for goods, it's just that people can get more vouchers by trading in their cash(and presumably having that cash taken out of circulation). Essentially start sucking cash out of the economy and replacing it with vouchers whenever possible.

Hmm, it says once we win we'll destroy any we receive... what are we doing with it before that point? Are we keeping it for our use or something?
 
[] [PLAN] Why should we plan how many children's toys are produced? (Pleases the SyndIntern and the IWW. Consumer goods are no longer centrally planned.)
So, a question here for people who know more about economics than me. I do agree that this is a necessary action to take, since the Syndintern relations we took a big chunk out of to afford their assistance this turn, and the IWW we have to make sure has an overall neutral-positive opinion on the way the new economy will go if we don't want our influence to collapse.

But the question I'm having right now is that if the Central Planning isn't the institution that covers consumer goods, what is, and what structures will we have in place to assist in that?
[] [CREDIT] Credit unions will help workers create or expand their own enterprises in the future by helping invest capital
Mostly I'm wondering whether this "Credit unions help create or expand enterprises" option will help more than declaring them to be purely transitional structures. But I don't know enough about how economics works to understand if that's viable, or if using the credit unions like that is just gonna create a mess.
 
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I don't understand why this is important. Even if they don't have an expiration date, wouldn't you still only be accumulating the raw product of your labor rather than multiplying it into phantom value via currency?

I mean, you wouldn't want someone to accumulate the raw product of their labor for twenty years to then buy a factory to become a capitalist, or whatnot. It's possible to start out making money or whatnot without exploiting people, and then once you have enough capital turning it into ownership of the means of production (even if it's something like a lemonade stand) to them recreate (or create, one supposes) the capitalist relationship.

If I'm making sense? I can clarify further, since I might be a bit vague in this.

E: There's also the disvaluation of excess frugality and hoarding that we would want to discourage--and which all capitalist systems discourage, albeit in rather more harmful ways.
 
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I mean, you wouldn't want someone to accumulate the raw product of their labor for twenty years to then buy a factory to become a capitalist, or whatnot. It's possible to start out making money or whatnot without exploiting people, and then once you have enough capital turning it into ownership of the means of production (even if it's something like a lemonade stand) to them recreate (or create, one supposes) the capitalist relationship.

If I'm making sense? I can clarify further, since I might be a bit vague in this.
You are making sense, but I don't understand why a socialist society would put the means of production up for sale to a private owner in the first place. That defeats the whole purpose of socialism.
 
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