To Struggle and Strive: The Combined Syndicates of America in 1932. A Kaiserreich Quest

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
-[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
--[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
---[]X Push for these rates to be better for collectivized enterprises (+5 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
 
[X] "How about this? We'll stand together against the KKK, if nothing else. In the meantime, your folks and our folks can work together on the local level, and we'll see where things go from there. No full fusion...but a start."

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
If we look at where Long is a threat, I think he's the biggest one aligned with the Republicans/Feds; a lesser one if he's in our coalition; and the least threat if he is isolated. Given that I think we should avoid driving him away, especially as he breaks with the right, but any collaboration needs to be on terms where we are co-opting his ground-level forces into our own forces and society, not him incorporating his power structures into ours. I think that means even an approach of greenlighting local collaboration in general would be too broad.

With the Feds holding the Army, but their grip over civil society continuing to crumble, Long - a centre-drifting, charismatic powerbroker with land and who fits into their warlord structure and brings a populist appeal they lack - would be invaluable to them. So I think we need to be friendly enough to keep him from throwing in with them.

On the other hand, he also represents what seem to be all of the three forces we're struggling against within our coalition - opportunism/corruption, reformism and overly authoritarian tendencies. He's as bad as the man we just knocked off, certainly. And he brings a patronage system and a centrist-to-rightist militia that, if we pursue organizational ties, will be natural allies of the right and the bureaucrats in our party while extending his personal appeal into our strongholds. I think those risks extend to a general greenlight of local collaboration as well, opening up opportunities for his powerbrokers to get their fingers in our institutions and our less staunch militants to be won to his base. We can chip away at his base from below, but I think we can only isolate and/or crush his base in the institutions.

So, at this point, it seems like the best approach would be to take the ceasefire - and offer the possibility of other ceasefires at a local level to deal with other "anti-people" forces like strikebreaker or landlord forces, and potentially the Feds. This has tactical advantages, brings our base into contact with his, but keeps our power structures separate and avoids the sheer inflamatoriness of fusion.

[] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.

[] "We'll stand against the KKK together. Nothing more." Accept his first offer, but not the second.
 
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[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering


Yeah, I really don't like the language used in the first write-in as it stands, so I'll vote for this.
 
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[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
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[x] "We'll stand against the KKK together. Nothing more." Accept his first offer, but not the second.
[x] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering


Works for me, so long as we keep the door open for future collaboration once Long proves himself more.
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
Still think we should check any move make with the CSA to mitigate fallout. So the above but check in with CSA their views and potentialy change our response accordingly
 
[x]"We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
[x]Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
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--[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
Hmm, how much do we need to get rid of the price floors? Given the +20 DC, that's a pretty major ask for the farmers, and I could see it causing issues in a narrative sense, even if the numbers say it'll be accepted. And the lower the DC, the more farmers that will concede regardless of what the actual roll is, and the more our relations with the farmers & Red Grange will increase by.
 
Hmm, how much do we need to get rid of the price floors? Given the +20 DC, that's a pretty major ask for the farmers, and I could see it causing issues in a narrative sense, even if the numbers say it'll be accepted. And the lower the DC, the more farmers that will concede regardless of what the actual roll is, and the more our relations with the farmers & Red Grange will increase by.

Our total DC is ten... ten. And my perspective is that we also have to worry about pissing off the CSA if we concede too much, too easily. They need a win as well, IMO.
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
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[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
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[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering

Slightly amended response to alliance offer
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
 
Scheduled vote count started by notbirdofprey on Oct 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM, finished with 32 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
    -[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    --[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
    --[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
    --[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
    [X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
    -[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.
    [X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
    [x] "We'll stand against the KKK together. Nothing more." Accept his first offer, but not the second.
    [X] "How about this? We'll stand together against the KKK, if nothing else. In the meantime, your folks and our folks can work together on the local level, and we'll see where things go from there. No full fusion...but a start."
    [X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
    -[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    --[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
    -[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
    --[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
    --[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
    --[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
    ---[X] Push for these rates to be better for collectivized enterprises (+5 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
 
[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
-[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
--[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
---[X] Push for these rates to be better for collectivized enterprises (+5 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
 
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[X] "We'll stand against the KKK together." Accept his first offer, but not the second. Plus, offer to quietly endorse local ceasefires and tactical collaboration against other shared enemies such as hostile authorities, local elites or even the Feds should it come to that.
-[X] Inform Long that we cannot go further than a truce without consulting the SPA and CSA leadership, and ask him to explain his proposal in more depth so that we can properly convey it to our allies.

[X] Plan: Economic Collectivization and Tractor-Mongering
-[X] Push for moderate criminal penalties (0 DC, will please the hostile faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish agricultural colleges (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Steel Belt (-10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
-[X] Agree to establish tractor and harvester factories (Will require further actions)
--[X] in the Midwest (-15 DC.)
--[X] Use access to incentivize collectivization (+10 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
--[X] Push to remove price floors (+20 DC, will please both factions of the CSA)
--[X] Agree to purchase portions of agricultural products at set prices (-10 DC)
---[]X Push for these rates to be better for collectivized enterprises (+5 DC, will please the neutral faction of the CSA)
 
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