Mecha Design Quest
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[X] License with Christie-Ford. Pros: Tech transfer, and virgin production lines. Cons: Tech transfer, and Americans.
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[X] License with Christie-Ford. Pros: Tech transfer, and virgin production lines. Cons: Tech transfer, and Americans.
THatWhichWillBe
The Squiddly One
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What a sad day it is that the only ones we can really trust with our baby are Americans. France has truly fallen, huh.
Glitchrr36
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[X] License with Renault. Pros: Best support infrastructure, ready to get rolling tomorrow. Cons: Forget about maintaining anything approaching a trade secret around them.
The fact that one of the Cons for Christie-Ford is "American" with no further elaboration worries me far more than Renault or FCM's do. We also don't really have anything too secret in our mech as of right now, so it's not as much of an issue.
The fact that one of the Cons for Christie-Ford is "American" with no further elaboration worries me far more than Renault or FCM's do. We also don't really have anything too secret in our mech as of right now, so it's not as much of an issue.
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[X] License with Christie-Ford. Pros: Tech transfer, and virgin production lines. Cons: Tech transfer, and Americans.
FC Error
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[X] License with Renault. Pros: Best support infrastructure, ready to get rolling tomorrow. Cons: Forget about maintaining anything approaching a trade secret around them.
This might suck, but given QM's statement of 'yes there are wrong votes' I am remarkably leery of the Yankees here
Renault is, at least, in-country
This might suck, but given QM's statement of 'yes there are wrong votes' I am remarkably leery of the Yankees here
Renault is, at least, in-country
I think that what the QM means by 'Americans' is that C-F will probably sell the gyro design to the American Government. Who will then put it into the Lee/Sherman Equivalent and potentially Lend-Lease it to Everyone. Effectively toughening the competition potentially decades in advance. Also the aforementioned MG memes.
Not sell given we are only waiving licensing fees, but probably something similar to what we did with the licensed M1919 for this project's chin guns. Which... I think are made locally, we just need someone to make the frames.
I get a decent feeling that in this verses War Thunder, our first combat mech would be regarded as a mighty glacier, so ludicrously up armored that it takes far more firepower than most anything else in the same time period to take out head on, cause we decided that we would keep the memetic invincibility of our spotter mech into the next few mechs!
Though I am not familiar with the war thunder rankings...
7734
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There's an eighty-ton octoped floating around a museum yard somewhere that was part of the British design process, but the dual-pilot system didn't pan out, so they went to quadrupeds.
Oh this thing would absolutely not be noob friendly. The fixed gun in any Warthunder-eque game would absolutely fuck over any stealth system a game dev would introduce, and against some of the other mecha of the time period, your side armor won't hold up. Think of the issues pike nose tanks have in WoT, and multiply that by Stritsvagen.
What they're looking for is speed- something the Requin and the Lapin deliver in spades, but the Fourmi doesn't. The main defense against anti-mecha infantry is to not be there, and frankly speaking there's no way to cram that much firepower into a mecha to try and kill them all before they can shoot first.
To reiterate: there are wrong votes, and these questors have already made a few. Still, I can't say which are wrong votes until we get to the war, when the proof will be in the pudding.
Literally what? You're not using licensed M1919 guns, you're using Mle.1919 Hotchkiss 13.2mm guns. Those aren't just made locally, they're made like three blocks away from the rest of the mecha!
SirLagginton
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The way War Thunder rankings work is that there's always something that can punch a hole through your armour. Even the Tiger is far from invincible when there's 85mm gun tanks roaming the map.
From the update in question:
So the Americans probably won't, immediately, find out. But this is the sort of risk you take when licensing internationally in the time period. And corporate can probably be said to have Handled this occurrence already I suppose.
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7734
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Yes, it's got parts that design-wise originate from a M1919 gun, but that doesn't mean the gun itself is a liscence built unit. At worst, there'd probably be a copyright lawsuit on this, and maybe a C&D order on that exact model. More importantly, FN Herstal's liscence arangments for the guns they sell don't pass on or around to you, since you work for Hotchkiss.
Good to hear. Though my original statement was equating what we did (stealing parts off of a licensed M1919) with what the Americans could do with a piece of licensed tech (stealing parts/the whole thing off our gyro and just giving a shrug and "whoops?" afterward). Not saying our guns were licensed themselves (...technically, due to using foreign IP that was) or are M1919s.
Winged_One²
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War Thunder has no stealth system and a pretty usable hull aim implementation at the moment (of course I have not yet experienced fixed traverse outside of the test range since I haven't gone down the Swedish tech tree). I figure it would end up a decent bit above the M3 because the 75mm goes further in this universe and because its armor is somewhat better (frontally).
SirLagginton
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Hey, War Thunder has a viable stealth system.
It's called "find a nice bush and hope the enemy doesn't notice the gun sticking out" lol. The fixed gun along with the associated recoil issues is a pretty horrible drawback though, since a lot of the time you're going to want to engage moving targets that will be a pain with it. It may have better armour than the M3, but the Lee will have far superior handling thanks to actually having gun traverse. Might have .3 BR above the Lee, and I expect a lot of players to be very disappointed once they actually hit it.
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In other words IRL Stealth. Place yourself where you hopefully aren't easy to spot, and pray to god that no-one notices.
7734
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The technical term for this strategy is called 'indiscriminate bombing' and the British have tried it, to predictably low result.
So to try and wrangle this tangent back into something resembling relevance, does that mean our secret sauce rockets count as anti-stealth weapons?
7734
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No, they don't have that much fill. If they had a decent frag jacket they'd make pretty good infantry removal rockets, and if my (admittedly not great) sourcing is correct, each rocket hits on the low end of 127mm artillery. The issue is, well, this is a weapons system that's neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat. The Russian rocket launcher concept that it cribs heavily from is designed to destroy infantry in poorly-settled areas: a weapon designed and perfected around engagements initially against poorly-armed peasant mobs, and perfected in field battles against the Austrians and Hungarians before the Communism came to town and saw it was good.
KhazintheDark
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Given we aren't going to be fighting them what's the IJN's plan for an amphibious mech look like?