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It feels and seem like we're going to solve an issue and partially leave others for another day. Rereading the chapter, it really does seem like the armor was a problem. We had to steal an extra crane to get it to fit, and it's weight was an anchor for Montrove's fall.
 
[x] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities
 
[X] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities.
Currently, while this isn't something we have skill in, effort to ensure pilots can keep aware of what their ride is doing is a huge deal. And honestly, making instrumentation that tells what is going on with the mech is a big deal, more so then refining a tech to fix the current obvious problem.
[X] Armor: This armor scheme does not work. You'll need to work with Saint-Chamond and get something else figured out, because your previous prototype maximum length has gone from a soft guideline to a stone solid limit.
Though I am approval voting armor as well as it involves our specialty.
 
An I reading this wrong? Was it not the armor that started this chain of events because it was so forward heavy and unwieldy?
From what I can gather:
The armour started it
The gyro couldn't compensate
The cockpit wasn't able to tell him what was actually happening vs what he perceived.
 
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I do not run aproval voting. You get to pick one, or your vote will be discarded.
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[X] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities.
 
[X] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities.

Our Gyro is already Bleeding edge, and liekly the only thing that kept this from being a fatal disaster off the block given the speed this walked on and how heavy it is. We have zero business working on that. Armor is a relatively simple fix too, get them to do it right for us. The cockpit is going to be needed for now and for the future, and we're starting base zero. Us sniffing out BS here is only going to help.
 
Looking back at the vote, we subcontracted out the cockpit.
[] [COCKPIT] Subcontract out cockpit design and equipment to Guilimont & Sons. Sure, it'll cost more, but the features they can work in will be worth it.
...So the cockpit action may have use of our BS detector EX. Though the armor is probably more likely to gave shenanigans involved.
 
[X] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities.
 
[X] Armor: This armor scheme does not work. You'll need to work with Saint-Chamond and get something else figured out, because your previous prototype maximum length has gone from a soft guideline to a stone solid limit.

This I feel is an Armor problem first and far most the big thing to note is weight distribution played a significant role in this disaster. First when originally mounting the front armor it tipped the mech forwards the solution to this was mounting both front and rear armor about the same time. Looking back this is red flag number one and two. The other red flag came from the when the odd movements started to happen the fact that they some what started to get worse as the mech sped up should have been Red Flag four and the test halted immediately.

Now I will not say other issues didn't have a part to play the Gyro system probably needs a look at but most likely how it's connected more then anything and the cockpit telling a pilot what is happening could have at least lessened the accident. Weight and the armor was the big factor and remember we only had dummy weapons on board not a full combat role.
 
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[X] Cockpit: Montrove was a damn good mecha pilot. If he had known this was happening, he could have corrected at best, or at very worse made sure that the crash didn't involve a rollover. You need to redesign the instruments in the cockpit and design a way to make sure you don't get more rollover-induced fatalities.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Aug 28, 2021 at 8:01 PM, finished with 57 posts and 32 votes.
 
Contest 2: Cavalry Mech, Phase 5
After the disaster that was initial mecha testing, you immediately called a halt to all further live testing while things got settled. After designating armor design and gyro teams, you got to work on dissecting the issues with the cockpit.

Sitting in a de-powered unit, you quickly started figuring out how the cockpit worked, and it didn't take long to figure out the issues with the controls. France did not, as a country, have a long history with the conceptual bipedal mecha. America had pushed for those designs the hardest, building to exploit open ground and areas between formations with speed: your national mecha were meanwhile designed to bull-rush enemy lines, straight through blizzards of rifle and machine-gun fire through strength of arms and armor.

Design-wise, the 0-2 cockpit was fairly simple: left and right feet handled the saunters, left hand operated the belly machine guns, right hand runs throttle, clutch, choke, gyro adjuster, parking brake, gearshift, and the three-switch radio and comms set. The refractive sight for the machine guns was set up on a tracking boom arm so you knew where they were aimed, and was normally rotated up and out of the way: everything else was fairly well-handled.

The problem was visibility and instrumentation. Once you got the stool adjusted and positioned yourself for operation, you quickly discovered the viewing ports were completely inadequate. The first thing you learned for handling the Araignée was to make sure you had proper side visibility to inspect for list and roll issues: something you don't have here. That was one thing to fix, both with better windows, and with ways to automatically determine roll, pitch, and yaw. Unfortunately, while you could use a fairly simple pendant-system for the clinometer, everything else would need to have an artificial zeo. That, in turn, meant gyroscopes.

While instrument developers might try and feed you a load about 'reading requirements off the main mecha stabilizing gyro', you knew intimately this was a load of horse shit. Each gauge would need its own, very small, stabilizing gyroscope. They didn't need a ton of stabilizing power if the gimbals were good enough- and gimbals were pretty easy- but they did need to be moving at a decent clip. Fortunately, there was already a Government Approved Supplier who made pretty much these exact instruments for the Service Aéronautique. Unfortunately, it meant developing a vacuum system.

The thing to remember about gyros is that gyrostabalization worked on anything spinning around a fixed axle. So, for instance, if you put a Pelton Wheel on an axle, and put that axle on a gimbal? Boom! Wind-powered gyroscope, as long as there was constant wind. Get the vacuum system set up to provide that wind, and you were in business. Working with Conrad, you quickly integrated the vacuum-dependant systems into their own panel, set up the vacuum system, and you moved on to other cockpit issues: specifically, visibility.

While you didn't like it, the pilot's upper box was untenable for satisfactory operation. Attempting to drive and operate the mecha normally was neigh-impossible while using it, so your first order of business was to delete it entirely and replace it with a flat hatch. Instead, you'd need to introduce a series of four vision blocks, so as not to compromise armor. While there would still be slightly dodgy forward visibility, a pair of safety mirrors attached to the sides of the vision blocks forward would make sure the blind spot extended no more than one meter ahead of the mecha.

Once that was all handled, the next question was pilot safety. Additional pads were to be installed on the vehicle for pilot bumps, and more importantly, a series of five padded grab-bars were added to make sure that in course of operations or emergency a pilot wouldn't grab a structural frame member that was holding something critical, such as vacuum lines, electrical lines, torsion lines, or god forbid the pneumatic line to the emergency gyroscope disconnect.

Once all that was filed and the work done with Guilmont & Sons (who were actually quite happy with the additions of the vacuum system and related gauge panel; one of the sons was talking excitedly about a standardized instrument cluster for the entire mecha) you got to work on other issues: specifically the armor and the gyro.

While the gyroscopic system didn't require many changes, it did require two major ones. The first, and critical, change was to add an automatic shaft speed compensator. If the engine spun up rapidly, the system would initially wind down the gyroscopic weights to compensate. Likewise, the reverse was true now as well. The second major change to make was a mounting one: the gyroscope needed to be mounted about 15cm forward of its current position. To do this required some inspired adjustments, and a large angled brace, since the meat of the support structure couldn't come forward with the system or else it could interfere with the hip structural assemblies.

Armor, however, was the worst modification. Saint-Chamond was very unhappy about modifying their castings for the armor pieces, but needs must: you needed to get as much weight back as possible. The dome would become more oblong, and while peak thickness would remain at 50mm, most of the dome would need to slope down to 40mm in order to make the casting not deform in use and still meet the mounting points. However, the modifications meant you were now only 2cm over starting length instead of 6cm over starting length, and along the way had saved something like a sixth of a ton in actual weight, and potentially infinitely more in effective weight due to shortening the moment arm of the leverage that the armor's weight would be putting against the legs. In addition, you also added something most designers wouldn't consider: a series of chain hooks to the bottom of the mecha. The purpose, you explained, would be to allow mechanics to chain the mecha to the ground while putting on armor, so as to prevent shifts in the mecha.

Once all this was done, prototype mecha 0-2 needed to go out and see how the changes felt. Unfortunately, that meant getting a test pilot- and St. Ignacio was flatly refusing to use it. The man had recently married, and as much as the ladies enjoyed a daring test pilot, they did not enjoy the 'live fast go out in a blaze of glory' mindset when it would be a blaze of glory less than a month after the wedding. As such, you had to hire another test pilot.

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New test pilot: choose two, two highest are hired.
[] Pierre Vans: Calm veteran of the Great War.
[] Anna Petroyvina Chompevsky: Steadfast former ambulence mecha pilot.
[] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student
[] James Colchanac: Desperate Irish Army expatriate
[] Yves Montessor: Seasoned German civil mecha operator
 
[X] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student.

[X] Yves Montessor: Seasoned German civil mecha operator
 
[X] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student
[X] James Colchanac: Desperate Irish Army expatriate
Not feeling the Kraut. Odds are he isn't a spy, but you can't be too careful.
 
Personally I would like to get the engineer. If only to get a second opinion on the cockpit layout.
 
[X] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student.
[X] Anna Petroyvina Chompevsky: Steadfast former ambulence mecha pilot.
 
[X] Anna Petroyvina Chompevsky: Steadfast former ambulence mecha pilot.
[X] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student

Ambulance driver indicates a good head for knowing how to push the vehicle to its highest practical limit while maintaining control.

Fitzroy may have useful ideas to use in the prototyping process, as he gets practical experience.
 
[X] Anna Petroyvina Chompevsky: Steadfast former ambulence mecha pilot.
[X] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student

Ambulance driver indicates a good head for knowing how to push the vehicle to its highest practical limit while maintaining control.

Fitzroy may have useful ideas to use in the prototyping process, as he gets practical experience.
Going by her mention in the last selection, her experience is in a mech named the Tortue, which is French for Tortoise. Not exactly good preparation for an unstable and 'hot' mech.
 
A student isn't a pilot, though. This is a pilot, not a member of the design team, and for a tricky mech at that. @7734 does Fitzroy have any experience piloting? Do any of the examples have experience with bipedal mechs?
 
[X] Pierre Vans: Calm veteran of the Great War.
[X] James Colchanac: Desperate Irish Army expatriate
 
series of five padded grab-bars were added to make sure that in course of operations or emergency a pilot wouldn't grab a structural frame member that was holding something critical, such as vacuum lines, electrical lines, torsion lines, or god forbid the pneumatic line to the emergency gyroscope disconnect.
This seems like something that could very easily become the standard.

[x] Marc Fitzroy: Energetic engineering student
[x] James Colchanac: Desperate Irish Army expatriate
 
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