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[WHF] The Broken Mirror - A Divided Loyalties Peggy Sue

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[x] [Retcon] No
[x] [Behaviour] Brave - Would have engaged the Lahmian, wouldn't have shot the Von Carstein in the most recent update.
 
consequences said:
You know, I'd have a lot more sympathy with those upset with the lack of player agency if I had seen a tenth of this amount of ire back when we jumped a Lahmian as a result of a vote to meet up with Algard. The QM can only go off of the player input he receives, so exorciating him for continuing with an established precedent because it didn't work out well is decidedly uncool.
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Admittedly, stacking the deck, winning handily and then bragging about it to her bosses as fait accompli is perfectly in character for Mathilde, so qm got no complaints
 
[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation.

Kinda want a retcon, don't really want to kill the quest. Eh, I'll sit that one out.
 
[X] [Retcon] No
[X] [Behaviour] Bold - Would have shot the Von Carstein, but wouldn't have given chase.

The character has 'Brave' from the start of the other quest as I recall so I'd say go with it.
 
[X] [Retcon] No

[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation
 
consequences said:
You know, I'd have a lot more sympathy with those upset with the lack of player agency if I had seen a tenth of this amount of ire back when we jumped a Lahmian as a result of a vote to meet up with Algard. The QM can only go off of the player input he receives, so exorciating him for continuing with an established precedent because it didn't work out well is decidedly uncool.
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You know, I actually thought there had been a vote on whether to deal with what's making the noise and I had to go back and reread to learn otherwise. I'm now slightly peeved at that, as well, but as I said, in that situation there were reinforcements around, and lots of them. There's also a readily available escape route. It's a lot more rational fight to take.

Compare this fight, where neither of those facts is true. It's not even a bit time-sensitive, which the fight with the Lahmian was implied to be. Context is everything.

Also I suspect the comment about aggressiveness is at least partially about me and I if that's the case I apologize if it came off that way. I did try and reword it in a way that wouldn't sound aggressive but it seems I failed.

[X] [Retcon] Yes
Breaking the trend here in a way that shouldn't be surprising because I really do think Mathilde wouldn't have rushed in like that. Not that I think this is going to win, at this point.
[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation

Exmorri said:
You exaggerate. Look at Drawing a Blank. No character generation, not even character selection, the protagonist is in a subordinate position to a 40K Inquisitor who has near-absolute authority and a contempt for the protagonist's alleged soullessness. One of the early votes is on picking a weapon (you don't get to stay out of combat) and one of the recent votes is on picking a fancy dress (you don't get to stay out of the gala, either). The Inquisitor says 'jump' and the readers vote in which direction, and what to do along the way. Still a good quest even if the player agency is limited. Concrete example:
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...Huh, didn't think there would be such a quest. There's still a bit of a difference between that quest, where the lack of agency is established from the very start and this one, which is a peggy sue of DL, and thus has expectations of similar style, but I get your point.

...Seriously didn't expect a quest like that to exist but to each their own, I suppose.
 
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Waela said:
...Huh, didn't think there would be such a quest. There's still a bit of a difference between that quest, where the lack of agency is established from the very start and this one, which is a peggy sue of DL, and thus has expectations of similar style, but I get your point.
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You may be attributing more agency than we actually got in DL. Mathilde has joined battle consistently without input if she felt the gains are worth it and the fight could go either way.

She only hadn't been ambushed to date because most enemies don't even know theres a hostile in that theater.
 
[X] [Retcon] Yes
Breaking the trend here in a way that shouldn't be surprising because I really do think Mathilde wouldn't have rushed in like that. Not that I think this is going to win, at this point.
[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation
 
kingreaper said:
Retconning one update won't kill the quest. If it would, I wouldn't offer it.
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It's not just about the usual attendant problems of retconning stuff. You mentioned rerolling as well, so the possibility of getting an even shittier outcome is on the table. Still, might as well express my opinion properly.

[X] [Retcon] Yes
[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation
 
veekie said:
You may be attributing more agency than we actually got in DL. Mathilde has joined battle consistently without input if she felt the gains are worth it and the fight could go either way.

She only hadn't been ambushed to date because most enemies don't even know theres a hostile in that theater.
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I'm assuming you're talking about fights during the conquest of K8P because I can't really think of other situations where joining battles would be an option. To which I'd would repeat myself and say that context is everything. Joining the expedition to K8P inherently accepts that's there's going to be fights, and those fights may have a chance of death. Similarly with later retaking all the peaks; you're going to where battles are happening, with a goal of achieving something, and thus joining those battles with there being a risk of death is pretty much expected. Here we just voted to investigate something. There's no assumption of there being fights, rather the opposite on my end actually. I don't really think it's comparable.
 
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Waela said:
I'm assuming you're talking about fights during the conquest of K8P because I can't really think of other situations where joining battles would be an option. To which I'd would repeat myself and say that context is everything. Joining the expedition to K8P inherently accepts that's there's going to be fights, and those fights may have a chance of death. Similarly with later retaking all the peaks; you're going to where battles are happening, with a goal of achieving something, and thus joining those battles with there being a risk of death is pretty much expected. Here we just voted to investigate something. There's no assumption of there being fights, rather the opposite on my end actually. I don't really think it's comparable.
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Mathilde: "I'll go scout Lhune."
"And headcap the goblin warboss since I had a shot"
Cue being pursued and risking death if she had failed to disengage
 
[x] [Retcon] Yes
[x] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation.
 
[X] [Retcon] Yes
[X] [Behaviour] Bold - Would have shot the Von Carstein, but wouldn't have given chase.
 
I am fine with either Brave or Case by Case, but i'm just voting for one for the sake of evening out the vote a bit.

Engaging the Lahmian was fine without a vote because we had incredibly powerful backup en route. We didn't need to win, we just needed to not lose long enough for Melkoth to get there, and so "land a disabling shot and then run like hell" would have been acceptable if we hadn't gotten super lucky and killed it. Here, though, Mathilde decided that she had to kill the handler and take the informant alive, putting her in a do-or-die with no way of fulfilling her goals besides total victory.

[x] [Retcon] Yes
[x] [Behaviour] Brave - Would have engaged the Lahmian, wouldn't have shot the Von Carstein in the most recent update.
veekie said:
Mathilde: "I'll go scout Lhune."
"And headcap the goblin warboss since I had a shot"
Cue being pursued and risking death if she had failed to disengage
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You're kind of proving the opposite point. Capping that guy was a vote.
BoneyM said:
[*] Doppelganger to look like one of the armored Skaven, then try and assassinate the Goblin Leader. Be seen as a Skaven assassin, then flee into the shadows.
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Boney has never had us actively pick a serious fight without voting for it. As I posted earlier, the closest thing was purging the College of Necromancy, but even that voting option said "go for killing Alkharad if you get a good opportunity". We even had a revote on killing the Eshin Sorcerer, despite the obvious problems in relitigating votes, because the tactical situation changed and Boney didn't want to hold us to our previous vote.
 
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LightLan said:
We got forced into a fight when we escorted Roswita to K8P.

But that was because enemies have agency too and therefor totally fine.
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Yeah, obviously "assholes ambush you/the person you're escorting" is a different case. As I've said before, if we had been forced into dire situations because we snuck up on this meeting and got spotted, I'd be like "oh well, sucks but that's how it goes." My objection is to Mathilde-initiated fights against nontrivial opponents without a vote.
 
[x] [Retcon] No
[X] [Behaviour] Case-by-case - would have taken a vote in all of those cases if the previous vote wasn't explicit about how to respond to such a situation.
 
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