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I think if you need more Platinum then exists in the universe, your primary difficulty will become physically shoveling it into the cloak at speeds fast enough to matter.
 
Hrm. Plan Refinements. If we can't get a particle accelerator that suits our needs, Get the party back together, have Gisena Use Artifice to design a suitable Particle Accelerator.

1. Raid research facilities of Foremost Artifacts with Adorie
2. Get Novakhron and Gisena. Get some stars, and use Novakhrons rank and blowing up stars to make massive amounts of platinum.
3. Get massive amounts of Iridium-191 and Iridium-193 along with Mundane Platinum. Get a Republic Particle accelerator to turn the Iridium into Platinum.
4. Gisena Takes A Promising Lead. We hope she runs into a Well Sorcery Specialist willing to tutor us.
5. Get Gisena to build something that solves the problem using Artifice. Like a Particle Accelerator.

@JOEbob I think it's possible the cloak may be able to get bigger than you think. Our cloak was damaged IIRC. We didn't take Inksky to repair our cloak. However, we did get the Empyrean Mantle/Opalescent Tower. Depending on how that stacks up vs a repaired or beyond repaired cloak with Inksky our cloak could get pretty huge. Or we could try unlocking our cloak in Totality with Nova if we needed more surface area for it to devour with.

[ ] Inksky: Nothing less than the semi-sentient symbiotic substance of the Evening Sky itself. With this, the mantle's power is amplified threefold: suffused at a greater density, it provides more overall benefits; with its master capable of healing it, it can swiftly regenerate from depletion; and through the crude manipulation of High Elementalism it can be brought to bear as lash or aegis against one's enemies, curling around to stifle, trip, smother and crush.

Hunger's Imaginary Element is determined by his panoply.

Single Receptacle: Rather than firing blasts of inksky himself, Hunger manifests all instances of High Elementalism through the vessel of the Evening Sky, allowing it to benefit from Accretion. +100% to the Protection and Charisma granted by the Evening Sky. Unlocks a number of highly efficient Evening Sky Advancements dealing with the domains of space, night, majesty and magic.

Discounts Pillars of Creation by 5 Arete.
-Hunger may take an action to repair the Evening Sky; amount repairs depends on the total +Protection granted and his own ability in High Elementalism
-Hunger may directly manipulate the Evening Sky as an extra appendage, though control is crude until trained.
With time, the cloak could expand to truly cosmic size: become the evening sky in truth!
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JOEbob said:
I think if you need more Platinum then exists in the universe, your primary difficulty will become physically shoveling it into the cloak at speeds fast enough to matter.
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Maybe it'll be like the Tower and it'll facilitate platinum eating in large enough quantities? Then again, the initial black hole choking and coughing on the amount of matter around it is what causes Gamma Ray bursts, so that's not a guarantee if it ends up eating energy fields bigger than it's head. Side note, what are the odds Realm of Evening buffs would also buff the Cloak's consumption ability? The RoE seems to be serving as it's 'stomach' in the same way Kirby's stomach is it's own separate and endless dimension of reality, so buffing the RoE would be buffing it's 'stomach'
 
I just had a Galaxy Brain Moment in what I hope is a good way.

What happens if we use Seal of Ruin on a star? Can we hold it on the cusp of supernova as we add more and more reaction mass to it and use Novakhron's rank to arrange things so that it makes Platinum?

Current Plans:

1. Raid research facilities of Foremost Artifacts with Adorie
2. Get Novakhron and Gisena. Get some stars, and use Novakhrons rank and blowing up stars to make massive amounts of platinum. This may or may not involve using Seal of Ruin to preserve a star on the brink of supernova until we can manipulate circumstances for optimum platinum yield.
3. Get massive amounts of Iridium-191 and Iridium-193 along with Mundane Platinum. Get a Republic Particle accelerator to turn the Iridium into Platinum.
4. Gisena Takes A Promising Lead. We hope she runs into a Well Sorcery Specialist willing to tutor us.
5. Get Gisena to build something that solves the problem using Artifice. Like a Particle Accelerator.
 
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[X] Enough Gun
[X] A Hard Counter
What is Gisena larping about being useful against the orc? She ran away like a little bitch last time, this time its no different(unless if we spend 50 Arete, but fuck that)
 
Adhoc vote count started by OctarineShrike on Feb 24, 2021 at 10:50 PM, finished with 29 posts and 11 votes.
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Because I like arguing for the less considered routes... here goes.

Here's Broken Kaleidoscope's Blurb
[ ] A Broken Kaleidoscope [50 Arete] - Desperate times call for desperate measures, and Gisena Allria will not see humanity fall before the Orcs again. When she glimpsed the Lathe of Heaven she understood only enough of it to grasp its barest traceries; implicit in its structure was the admonition that understanding ought to stop at the limits of one's comprehension, and to push farther was to chance destruction.

But destruction is coming regardless, and of a form and manner that Lord Hunger is ill-equipped to directly oppose. So be it, then.

This time, it is Gisena Allria's chance to do her uttermost. This time, she will not be found wanting.

*Something like a Cursebearer's Remittance, conjured from her rudimentary understanding of Hunger's essential nature and the arts of the Foremost pushed to the absolute breaking point. In isolation, it would be about as much power as a Combat-type Remittance, but combined with Gisena's existing capabilities it could offer far greater effects, in practice. Imagine the likes of the Interface, paired with her psuedo-Progression and Foremost Graces...
*The Ring of Artifice shall surely be shattered, broken beyond the possibility of repair at this act of supreme hubris.
*As for the Lady Nullity herself, who knows how much of herself will survive the process, of reaching so far beyond one's grasp, and succeeding anyway.
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This is the publically visible portion of the Interface's Blurb.
[ ] The Interface - The Interface is a wellspring, not of energy, but of order, an organizing principle that emanates from the Cursebearer to enfold, incorporate and restructure all capabilities into his dominion. To catch its barest glimpse is to be shaped irrevocably by it, seared into understanding by a revelation that re-orients all else around its truth. Like Plato's cave-dweller first stumbling into sunlight, the witness is made aware of a deeper and grander purpose to the reality they thought they knew.

Yet though it sparks epiphany beyond linear comprehension, the Interface does not shatter minds or rend the spirit. Simply because the magnitude of its existence is vast, does not mean the valence of its presentation is negative. The Interface is not a tool of destruction or corruption. What it integrates and edifies, it turns to its wielder's purpose. Still, to mistake its benevolence for weakness would be folly of the highest order, for it bestrides gross physicality with all the primacy and momentum of a false-vacuum collapse.

A facet of the Interface is planted like a cosmic seed in the Cursebearer's spirit, radiating outward to turn all that they encounter towards their designs. Control is taxing, requiring clear intentionality and a substantial mustering of will, but there is no risk of collateral damage from incoherent or unclear intentions: the Interface will not allow itself to be wielded counterproductively.

*The Cursebearer's corpus, and all they interact with, are slowly improved, augmented by the Interface in a manner consistent with the Cursebearer's principles.
*Hostile effects assailing the Cursebearer must contend with the Interface's reflexive re-organization; effects of insufficient magnitude and/or conceptual strength may be re-purposed into an orbiting aegis, siphoned into energy reserves, or redirected at their originator. An enemy fires a bolt of energy; as it approaches the Cursebearer, it shifts and discorporates from the outside in, eventually assuming the form of an elemental that stalks protectively around its once-intended target.
*Magical systems with which the Cursebearer has contact are slowly integrated, allowing the Cursebearer to eventually wield those systems themselves. Systems below a certain level of refinement benefit from the Interface's augmentation over time. Some rare systems are beyond the power of the Interface to organize.
*The Cursebearer may exert their Interface facet to produce more dramatic effects:
-They may reveal a fraction of the Interface's true manifestation to another being, temporarily incapacitating most, and making social combat easier
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In the hands of one like Gisena, the power of the Interface would be a thing of horrific power. Continuous upgrading of Foremost graces over time until the refinement threshold is reached combined with 25% of the growth rate of a progression type cursebearer until Gisena starts reaching higher Cardinal Escalations of infinity. Gisena has a time dilation grace.

This is a Singularity.
 
Make no mistake, Broken Gisena is the strongest thing we could get this vote. She's Broken in both the "Brokenly Overpowered" sense and the "Broken Person" sense. It'd certainly solve our current problem, and likely make future ones significantly easier as well.

I'm just not sure her well-being is a price I'm willing to pay, especially not when there's the comparatively saner route of "just grind Praxis guys."
 
Aabcehmu said:
[X] Enough Gun

Praxis Is The Answer

[X] A Broken Kaleidoscope

I will not let BK slip through my fingers again.
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Have we seen BK in any other contexts?

I'll probably match your vote on this update, after the job of coloring the vote tally is finished.
 
ImperatorV said:
Make no mistake, Broken Gisena is the strongest thing we could get this vote. She's Broken in both the "Brokenly Overpowered" sense and the "Broken Person" sense. It'd certainly solve our current problem, and likely make future ones significantly easier as well.

I'm just not sure her well-being is a price I'm willing to pay, especially not when there's the comparatively saner route of "just grind Praxis guys."
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For some reason I'm seeing this in the dynamic of Hunger and Gisena mapping to Sword Art Online Abridged season 1 Kirito and Asuna.
This time, it is Gisena Allria's chance to do her uttermost. This time, she will not be found wanting.
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Asuna in Episode 9 of SAO Abridged: "You keep doing this to me. This is like the Second time you've almost died this week. You ever stop to think about how I feel? Maybe I want to almost die once in a while huh, make you cry."

Then in episode 11 Asuna jumps in front of Heathcliff/Kayaba's sword for Kirito and then rubs it in Kirito's face as she apparently dies.

Whether or not this is interesting/adds depth and needed shakeups to Hunger and Gisena's dynamic(Stuck at what it is and of questionable mental health benefits to either of them due to the mix of Catherine, Doom of the Tyrant, and Uttermost) or just turns Gisena into a sacrificial maiden/plot device to ensure Hunger's victory I have no idea.
 
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I am feeling salt about choosing both slow conquest and Surgeon.

It's not obvious what I need to vote to get rid of my salt.

I'll be namevoting Aab unless someone buys my vote, or radicalizes me to have strong opinions in any given direction.

[x] Aabcehmu

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This enemy has already defeated humankind in another realm, and it was much less sophisticated then... but, so was I."
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For the record, this is Gisena's most moving line of dialogue in the entire quest so far.
 
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On a narrative level, also, it feels appropriate for Hunger to reap what he's sown. If he's going to be a self-sacrificing hero, paying the price to make incredible leaps in power, then it's only natural that others are going to start following in his footsteps.
 
[x]Do Something Else
[x]A Broken Kaleidoscope

I'm open to retooling this depending on what does or does not turn out ascendant, I'm not sure how well this combination works together.
 
Of course, Hunger doesn't need to look only towards Praxis options for solutions here - something like November Sky would certainly be useful, though the prospect of getting two picks before the Realm of Evening proc is somewhat unlikely, but single-pick high Arete options can also be explored through Enough Gun if he doesn't want to tech towards more Praxis at this time.
 
Another Mage option cut down. Point me to the main anti mage champion and I will vote against them until a good Mage option wins!
 
Well at least people now understand that Surgeon + By other means is a giga boosted bonobo combination. Also we just let billions be used as biomass for orcs and other shit, planets getting destroyed to create bio abominations and infiltration of parasites inside both the Republic and Empire (who would have thought that a guy described as "At his hands, all manner of ecological horror and towering abomination have emerged" would have been a bio terrorist zerg-like menace :thonk:)
The current plan is to destroy the Ring of Artifice we saved from the Temple, because we are "moral".

Moral Gang - not even once
 
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