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[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
A Simple Transaction I
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HoratioVonBecker
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Acceptable.
This might be a better deal, though. Does it stack?
[X] The Tears of Winter: King of Winter
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
With Feat: Saber gaining less traction, time to switch again. I prefer this one because it involves improvement of skill and not just raw power. I remember loving to read portions of previous Rihakuquest where they show us how ridiculous high-level skills are and how its another true multiplier with Uryuu's Ransotengai coming to mind.
But can we at least ask Gisena to research a Grace like that one Sorceress in the previous Simple Transaction where she is an instant expert in a lot of things?
With Feat: Saber gaining less traction, time to switch again. I prefer this one because it involves improvement of skill and not just raw power. I remember loving to read portions of previous Rihakuquest where they show us how ridiculous high-level skills are and how its another true multiplier with Uryuu's Ransotengai coming to mind.
But can we at least ask Gisena to research a Grace like that one Sorceress in the previous Simple Transaction where she is an instant expert in a lot of things?
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
I had considered us as selling 2 separate offers so I assumed qwolfs had dibs on yours, so to speak, but strictly speaking the deal hasn't been finalized so it could technically stack with mine.
Ultimately though due to the tight race of this vote, I'm inclined to decline so there isn't any redundancy and a greater chance of another person switching their vote.
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OctarineShrike
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Rihaku stuff on Oath of Winter In Discord General:
Just happened around now.
Only a Mirellyian can declare the Oath. So With Crimson Flare all we have to worry about is regular apocryphal stuff on our holdings if we take Adorie with us.
Just happened around now.
Only a Mirellyian can declare the Oath. So With Crimson Flare all we have to worry about is regular apocryphal stuff on our holdings if we take Adorie with us.
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
Having thought about it, I've decided that I fully intend to stick to my original plan to argue for leaving Adorie behind despite Myth and Legend, which means that the main Winter benefit of being able to safely take her with us doesn't apply, and thus Crimson Flare is probably better.
Having thought about it, I've decided that I fully intend to stick to my original plan to argue for leaving Adorie behind despite Myth and Legend, which means that the main Winter benefit of being able to safely take her with us doesn't apply, and thus Crimson Flare is probably better.
OctarineShrike
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I think I have speculation on how things would have gone if we took the Blood Sorcery/Daylian route and still fought the armament assuming everything goes optimally. Daylian heals us. We use his Lazulite powers and Blood Sorcery to fix the Synthesis problem and reach the 6th or hopefully 7th sign. We engage Procyon with the Apocryphal Armament. Daylian is such a hubristic fool he insists on riding into battle on our Armaments back to fight too. That could have been cool.
"Drive me closer I want to hit him with my sword!"
Hopefully we quickly make any requests like that from him moot points before he makes them with Deathly Stars enhanced with Rank Hybridization quickly annihilating Procyon.
"Drive me closer I want to hit him with my sword!"
Hopefully we quickly make any requests like that from him moot points before he makes them with Deathly Stars enhanced with Rank Hybridization quickly annihilating Procyon.
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OctarineShrike
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More Oath of WInter Data from Discord:
RedV
Refuelling
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Relinquishment + some power based Remittances like Quantified World and TSH (Praxis) if we can take Seram's Lesser Remittances. Adding too many companions doesn't sound good since we're already adding Adorie.
Accursed Favor might be nice too, since it gives the mental satisfaction of repaying some of the huge debt we owe him so Hunger might get + Mental Stability or at least have a better relationship with his employer.
[X] The Tears of Winter: King of Winter
Switching because I want to proactively pursue Accursed Lore and get that new Curse. If it is relevant at our new level, the loot and info from the Shard of the Arcanist would be nice too.
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When we can just get Rune King and append TSH to all the magic systems we have, spending a Lesser Remittance on it is incredibly wasteful.
RedV
Refuelling
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We regrew our eye so that isn't an option, though well taken on talent boosters in general. Pretty sure the Accursed won't shortchange us if he offers the option to pick Lesser Remittances, though I support getting favour the most anyway.
OctarineShrike
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Praxis is too powerful to work with Rune King anyway.
To me it seems like our best bet for the Adorie situation is to frame it as a mission to support Aobaru in restoring the Realm of Myth to it's true heights. A mission that grand will naturally take her across both the voyaging realm and the human realm! While she wishes she could stay for her people, this is what must be done to fix the damage that time and the Lord Protector have wrought.
This has the benefit of being entirely accurate, if rather misleading about the emphasis of what she will be doing.
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What a feat of BBcode engineering. Most of this is not new information, so let me jot down the things that I think are actually insightful:
In terms of combat ability, King of Winter makes Hunger much better at hitting things with his sword. There's a huge amount of power dedicated to direct close quarters combat. However, the blurb for Crimson Flare explicitly comments on the ability to bloodcast through an Armament's Shroud. I think there's a strong argument for using esoteric attack vectors against Armaments instead of just powering up our existing tactics. The tactical awareness of Bloodsense is also a fairly dramatic powerup.
Crimson Flare provides a lateral power boost, which can also be useful in other parts of warfare. Having realtime perception over a national scale via bloodsense is a massive advantage for maneuvering. Long Range awareness also allows for precision assassinations & political manipulation without Hunger ever being present. If an opponent tries to set up an assassination attempt on us, they might just have a heart attack. If a rebel tries to give an inspiring speech, maybe they just have an off-day and everybody finds them uninspiring / pathetic.
In terms of our allies, Crimson helps our entire party while King of Winter only helps Adorie. The decision is between a targeted combat buff for Adorie, or a competency boost to the entire party (including Adorie!)
In terms of civilians, Ring of Blood puts some power into the society of Nilfel as a whole. Unfortunately, in the Rihakuverse the power of societies means very little compared to the power of individuals. The infrastructure of the Fonts + Walls of Myth are probably more important than any number of Nilfelian mages.
The real point of uncertainty in my mind is whether King of Winter's curse-related effects outweigh the mechanical effects from Crimson Flare. Being able to take a 1-week break from Apocryphal threat is worth an entire Lesser Remittance (Relinquishment) and it only activates once per decade. Even a day's respite from Apocryphal is huge. We could use Nilfel as a staging ground for delicate rituals / spells, or as a destination for emergency Nightmare Flights. Season's Greetings is very good.
The opportunity to take Brand of Winter is also good, but right now I'm not sure what Lesser Remittances I'd be eager to take. The cast of characters is already big, and we've got simps flinging themselves against Armaments for Big Sis Haeliel while Adorie & Gisena partisans fight in the streets. So additional companions are probably out. Intensify (Accretion) would curtail the vast majority of Hunger's out of combat utility - we've used Rank for things like research & making contact with the Royalists. Closing that off now that we always operate at a minimum of Rank 10 would be very painful.
Retinue would be good, even though I find the reduction in Progression distressing. Relinquishment would be appealing. Maybe Talon? I'd only be satisfied if there were some new Lesser Remittances to pick from as well!
#1202 Words, but half of them were summarizing things from the update that people already knew.
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
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Lealope
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Nah, TSH is one of the few things that explicitly boost our speed in the Praxis.
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This is simply false. To Shatter Heaven is something that works on a greater/equal conceptual basis to the Imperial Praxis due to being derived from the Lathe of Heaven, just like Progression but in miniature.
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I thought Rune King had a limit as to the power of what its TSH would apply to, or am I mixing it up for something else? It's been a long time.
Lealope
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You're thinking of Philosopher's Wreath, which mulitplied our advancement speed in a given magic syste by our INT (along with some other stuff), so long as that system is equal to or weaker than the Noble Praxis.
RedV
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Even if we don't get any relevant utility, Relinquishment guarantees Gisena will eventually get research time (since the time on break we get can be scaled up through mitigating our curses and we already have decent amount of mitigations). In addition, it means we have a few days of not being fucked by Tyrant-enforced blindspots which can be huge for vital social interactions like Seize the Day type plans.
If a Least Wish or something is up for grabs we can just wish to straightforwardly empower ourselves.
It's clear that the Accursed changes Lesser Remittances on a case by case basis so he definitely has something that should be relevant at our level, though my main motivation is just to try and repay our debt tbh.
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Ohhhh. My bad then!