Bah, just summon an astral beast, tell him/her/it to swallow us right before the summoning ends and then spit us back out in the Astral Realm. If the beast is unwilling cut through and you are in the Voyaging Realm. Use your imagination to achieve the same result
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
[X] Shelter
I have been convinced. With this, I have now voted for all the options!
I have been convinced. With this, I have now voted for all the options!
Yeah, I'm super not convinced by Shelter. Instead of dealing with our issues as other two options try to do, it just moves risk to our companions down the line, and Apocrypha is there to make sure that possibility of us getting pulled out at worst possible time turns into certainty.
Just imagine the most obvious example of Hunger and co starring down an Armament in HS and then suddenly Hunger gets yoinked and enemy Armament just shrugs and splats everyone.
So yeah, lets deal with this now and not give Apo any ammo when we don't strictly have to.
Just imagine the most obvious example of Hunger and co starring down an Armament in HS and then suddenly Hunger gets yoinked and enemy Armament just shrugs and splats everyone.
So yeah, lets deal with this now and not give Apo any ammo when we don't strictly have to.
Rihaku
The Internet
Good job, keep it up!
One of the reasons I like Glimpse is the potential for Treachery on Hunger's part. Crushing the opposition is nice and all, but the most enjoyable parts about his fights had been when he overcame his enemies through mind-games and smart play. Glimpse gives him the keys to the LP's mind, and will help whether we want to negotiate or not. If we do, the advantages of knowing the details of her past and her plans are obvious, and if we don't, we can use this info to strike at unexpected angles.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] Glimpse
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
[X] Shelter
if we take might, LP can still liquidate versch. that's a loss condition, for reasons others have outlined previously. this is why we didn't pick the cut through options previous to this (and because rushing through a trap you know you can overpower is dangerous for various other reasons) and why we ought not pick it now. beyond that, beggaring our economy is pretty serious stuff, and harms too many third party actors for my tastes.
glimpse is considerably more tolerable, but i think we should carefully examine what IC information we're getting 2 arete for. i suppose we could use her deceit to strike up a rebellion (which seems unnecessary, since we want to avoid nilfellian deaths to get + Adorie AND because we're powerful enough to take most of them on by ourselves). perhaps her true form lets us use her weaknesses against her more potently (but if we were going to splat her against a wall regardless, that doesn't really matter...) there are probably major bonuses to negotiation (which would pair nicely with Holy Shit) from knowing she's related to Adorie as well as her broad goals... if someone can provide me a comprehensive negotiation strategy, i'd be willing to switch. otherwise, shelter and murdering Augustine in the next 24 hours is my plan of action.
if we take might, LP can still liquidate versch. that's a loss condition, for reasons others have outlined previously. this is why we didn't pick the cut through options previous to this (and because rushing through a trap you know you can overpower is dangerous for various other reasons) and why we ought not pick it now. beyond that, beggaring our economy is pretty serious stuff, and harms too many third party actors for my tastes.
glimpse is considerably more tolerable, but i think we should carefully examine what IC information we're getting 2 arete for. i suppose we could use her deceit to strike up a rebellion (which seems unnecessary, since we want to avoid nilfellian deaths to get + Adorie AND because we're powerful enough to take most of them on by ourselves). perhaps her true form lets us use her weaknesses against her more potently (but if we were going to splat her against a wall regardless, that doesn't really matter...) there are probably major bonuses to negotiation (which would pair nicely with Holy Shit) from knowing she's related to Adorie as well as her broad goals... if someone can provide me a comprehensive negotiation strategy, i'd be willing to switch. otherwise, shelter and murdering Augustine in the next 24 hours is my plan of action.
Rihaku
The Internet
It may also give you some details on the spells she's using specifically to prepare! Of course, Hunger is already All-Defeating...
Zampano
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- Simping for DSB
Does the Ruin Defense from ADS extend to our allies via Undying Vanguard?
Or is the UV bonus restricted to Protection, Con, and Health Regeneration?
Imagine if we'd gotten the information EFB of the wandering mage. Or imagine instead that we recruited her, giving us access to an EFB that patches our biggest hole at no Arete cost.
But no, voters want to bring along teenagers. Teenagers!
I wonder if this is a callback to Nameless's world? If their "primordial" sorcery and its "forgotten language" is actually just a mutated form of the Diagram? It has signs and is associated with the stars.
We've gotten hints that the world of EFB ties into this one, like the liches and the rings. Gisena's world appears to be in this world's past, so perhaps Prolessarch's EFB world is the same? He/it was said to have breached the void between dimensions to arrive here, but so did Gisena and she's from the past apparently. Or maybe a parallel universe?
Interestingly enough, Chromatic Aberration, the magic that we've theorized is being used by the Arcanist and her chromatic monstrosities, is a shapeshifting magic as well. Users can use pattern shapeshifting "to rapidly force monstrous adaptations appropriate to the present Chroma". Perhaps she learned this from the Arcanist?
It's also interesting that Chromatic Aberration was offered in the first EFB. Maybe the Arcanist was around back then, in a different form? Or maybe just the potential for her?
She's a princess in the realm of myth, this was inevitable really. The contrast is amusing though, no wonder she needed a powerful male form.
Gisena's protection is obvious, given her Nullity, but for the others my guess is that Undying Vanguard's huge protection bonus is also protecting them from whatever magic she uses to gather info.
We've gotten 7 EFB's. 7! I should hope we're seen as being unfair!
I guess I'm a terrible person because my first thought was we should vote for Hunger to check out the crucible for a powerup.
My guess is her strength is something she learned/gained from the Shard. And her weakness is she's a girl with pink bubblegum hair that no one would take seriously on the battlefield. Also previously she was 8?!?! Which is Naruto level's of silliness and makes Adorie look even worse in comparison.
So it seems mother is the Shard of the Arcanist, given that the Shard is a "remnant of she who once raised the Arcanist's Walls". Father abates waning. So both sisters share the same father but different mothers.
So many questions here, but most importantly I really want Gisena and the Shard to meet now. Would they recognize each other?
It's always nice to see other people fail miserably at making theories. I feel sympathetic.
Starting to worry about how casually these Armaments can be liquidated. Apparently it's the work of an hour? Are Armaments just walking batteries or something? What's the point of being a rank 10 war machine god if anyone can suck the juice out of you?
The high risk, high reward option, which sets us up to negotiate with the Protector and deal with the Shard.
The sensible option. High future cost that's ripe for abuse by the Apocrphal, such as being called away during a critical battle, but in return this takes away her most powerful weapon against us and makes it a more simple and straightforward fight. Kidnapping other companions is possible but wouldn't be as easy as kidnapping Versch, who was SOMEHOW the most vulnerable despite everything.
We have enough power, I don't think more will be all that significant.
A janissary is an elite solder, which gives us some picture of what the Astral realm is like powerwise. It's likely that entire legions of beings like this guy exist, all of them roughly equal or merely a little weaker than Hunger. I wonder what their captains are like?
Also the relationship between Astrals and Armaments is explored a bit. Normal astrals attack Armaments mindlessly, but the elites hold different values. The janissary won't directly help retrieve Armament but is fine assisting us in general, and that distinction made between direct and indirect help makes me think this is a political thing, like there's a law about astrals and Armaments and this astral, being a military type that is perhaps in some military organization, is following the letter but not the spirit.
And a different Astral is willing to protect it. I kinda suspect that this Astral is... different. "Evil" maybe, or perhaps an outcast from astral society. Either way this is abnormal behavior for an Astral, and I would be interested in seeing what sort of being would be okay with this.
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[X] Shelter
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@runeblue360 I concede our bet, she's not a cursebearer.
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Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
- Location
- Canada
It does say that any artifact effects also apply to our allies so long as they are highly loyal. Also ruin and UV are both part of the blade so it would make sense for them to work together. Due to the loyalty requirement I say Gisena and Letrizia should have the extra ruin protection. Maybe Adorie as well.
Maybe it's just me but I really feel like the shelter astral will end up being some sort of astral criminal. An astral protecting an Armament when normally astrals mindlessly attack or refuse to directly help? Paying it back in unspecified favors? The fact that it has the ability to enforce this deal also makes me think that this is something it does quite a bit, maybe it's got a whole network of beings ensnared in its debt.
It's lIke our options here are a muse, a mafia enforcer, and a solder turned mercenary.
Meanwhile Augustine summoned something from the petting zoo.
It's lIke our options here are a muse, a mafia enforcer, and a solder turned mercenary.
Meanwhile Augustine summoned something from the petting zoo.
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They're all helping save Versch, directly or indirectly. We've only seen relatively low Rank Astral invaders attack Versch mindlessly, the Astral Lord that sent Ber after Versch had been quite intelligent about it, and others of similar power could simply not care about the Armament and its space stabilization effect/Decimation/whatever other reason they have for doing it.
As for the binding oath, that's on us. It's part of the Enclosure Sign: '...binding negotiations are entered into. If so, then both caster and entity will be bound to said conditions by the power of this sign'
As for the binding oath, that's on us. It's part of the Enclosure Sign: '...binding negotiations are entered into. If so, then both caster and entity will be bound to said conditions by the power of this sign'
We do have an awful lot of Charisma, it's true! Augustine may be mistakenly and subconsciously conflating Hunger with her father, both patsies in the Shard's schemes. Previously the Protector was this - faceless enigma, tyranny incarnate, competence their chief and only character trait. Now that we know there's a human behind the mask, it opens up an entirely new surface of attack, one that Augustine might not have much experience with. We should ask Gisena for advice if we go that route, though obviously delivery needs to be left up to Hunger. Arguments should also be altered to avoid the appearance that he's just a charismatic sockpuppet for the Princess Regent to enact her schemes.
Also, I'm really curious what Adorie's reaction to all this will be! Quite the revelatory bombing run: her father's infidelity for starters, her half-breed sister, the reason for her family's murder, and - last but certainly not least - the existence of the creature behind the curtain.
- Location
- The savanna.
[X] Might
Hot take: why don't we just fucking shoot her? Task the summon with protecting Adorie's forces/our companions since we can't take our eyes off of them without shit exploding, go rescue Versch, then cut the head off the snake.
Hot take: why don't we just fucking shoot her? Task the summon with protecting Adorie's forces/our companions since we can't take our eyes off of them without shit exploding, go rescue Versch, then cut the head off the snake.
Kind of curious just how the Glimpse guy/gal learned all this info. I doubt that Miss Competence goes without her anti-Divination protections anywhere, much less lets random Astral denizens read her mind. So either Glimpse is so competent at divination as to render her defenses irrelevant (maybe it has a cost?) or they have some other source of information. One of my guesses was that it was her personal summon that betrayed her, but this sounds like too much knowledge even for such a case.
I'm also wondering if we can find out about the Shard of the Arcanist some other way. It shouldn't be common knowledge, but I don't want to rely on Augustine spilling the info when she's near death either, she might just be spiteful enough to take the secret to her grave or simply not have enough time before it's over.
I'm also wondering if we can find out about the Shard of the Arcanist some other way. It shouldn't be common knowledge, but I don't want to rely on Augustine spilling the info when she's near death either, she might just be spiteful enough to take the secret to her grave or simply not have enough time before it's over.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
"Cost: the spark of one mind can be traded for another. Be glad that ingenuity is a renewable resource. [-2 Arete]"
The implication is that if she has D&D Mind Blank (which defeats all divination), we're grabbing an entity that has D&D Hypercognition (which bypasses divination-protection through effectively being a genius - Think a weaker, non-epic version of Hadrian's I am a genius epic spell). It might also the more powerful divination effect Metafaculty, which can actually defeat Mind Blank (By actually brute forcing it's way through, it's like Cerebation from EFB).
Sounds legit. I'm also wondering how the Doom influenced the negotiation. They usually involve a back-and-forth and compromises, but with Tyrant?..
Meta thread drama with a pinch of salt:
EDIT: Shit, slander and libel are the opposite of what I knew. Still, I am too lazy to change it so consider them interchanged.
EDIT: Shit, slander and libel are the opposite of what I knew. Still, I am too lazy to change it so consider them interchanged.
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