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I haven't voted for this update, actually, though i'm leaning towards Fisher King. Thanks for the heads up though.
Thanks for the heads-up, fixed both posts.
Ohhh no, that place is bad enough without you corrupting it! Luckily doors go both ways, at least if you pay 25 Arete for the privilege. 23 more than we have. Let's call it a work in progress.The concept is this: me with Devildoor, versus Earth Bet. (You can click the element name for its' writeup.)
Are you a crazy enough dude to save the worlds? Let's find out.By default I drop in a high-combat zone with Devildoor at Second Gate, putting me fairly close to Burnscar's canon powerset - craziness and Bonesaw mods included. The main differences are that my flame can buff others at the cost of sharing the mania, and that I can forego the mania entirely in exchange for the buffing and the teleportation.
What does DD Horatio have to trade? Evilgoop, buffs, and teleportation. Any secrets that hypothetical generic tinker would leap on and also be able to verify? Hm. I'll chew on this.[ ] Devil's Toolbox
I start in an area with several Tinkers and some preptime. Payment or persuasion will be necessary, but I will get some kind of benefit; depending on play this could be the strongest starting build or the weakest. If the former, not overwhelmingly so.
Erk. My first thought was "Man, we gotta get the Final Gate for this," so that downside is unfortunate. But summons are useful. But they skew towards evil, and without an easy method of control they're less so.[ ] Go Further
I start with the third Gate, capable of summoning Evil Elementals - which could easily be A-Rank minions in this setting, with the right prep. This does make the Final Gate moderately more difficult to reach in-game, though; I can't use the Third as part of my path to it, so it'd require an appropriate sidequest rather than being unlockable through the main questline.
Nice! Especially if you're going with House of Gold, this stops you from getting Mannequin'd (Sphere'd? The dude himself will still go after you lol). Do want.[ ] Guardian Angel
I'm guaranteed no hostility from Zion or the Simurgh unless I've already tried to kill them; the latter's plans will treat assisting me as a lowest-priority secondary goal.
Externalizes responses to a personal threat... and yep, that sure is an AoE power. It'd be useful to have a mostly safe place, but carrying around a brain is scary. What happened to that poor dude? Then again, you've already got Devildoor, so might as well go all in on the scariness. Also conveneint for vwoorping bad guys... do they come back in the same position relative to the Earth, or relative to Cloaker?[ ] Boss Rush
I begin with an armored backpack containing the brain of Cleanroom, a Cloaker with the power to send himself and others to a mirror world made of white blocks. Though he's sedated, his power can be activated in three modes - shift all parahumans in a two-mile radius, all humans in the same radius, or his wearer and anyone they're touching. Manual escape is possible by reaching the edge of the radius, but only a very few powers can cross over directly.
The utility of railways for strengthening civilization is obvious, I'm already getting excited about trains and I haven't explored that mindset since I was 10! You just have to fight the S9 for them. With your "make people more evil" powers. No big deal.[ ] Express Train Number Nine
A running battle between the Slaughterhouse Nine and the Railway Tinker, Nonstop. American countryside, August 2, 2010. Nonstop is attempting to execute the Nine's kill orders, with assistance from the Guild. Barring intervention, Nonstop will die within a day and a half.
An earlier start time than the S9 and the Onslaught, so I'm inclined to it for that alone! But the danger is incredible, was once Machine Army not enough for you, Horatio?[ ] Fourteenth Apocalypse Zone
Borlänge, Sweden. Former industrial and immigration hub, now a periodically-bombed labyrinth mostly dominated by metal ghouls. Was the site of a cluster trigger resulting in multiple Army-Tinkers, all presumed dead by now.
June 27th, 2010. The surviving creations have adapted again; a major breakout is due in three weeks. This Zone has been active for eight years and expanded twice, although it is presently considered quiescent.
Not only is this sketchy as hell, Devilsdoor evilifies people so they might soon find that they're not that interested in refraining from lethal force. But you don't have to use it, fifteen of the "finest" villains would be a huge undertaking anyway, so just let them beat you up! Because you, with the mind-altering powers, are sane enough to not retaliate! Wait, no.[ ] Onslaught's Wager
Fifteen rogues and villains, some of eastern europe's finest, are touring the continent and offering a boon to anyone who can hold off all fifteen of them in sequence. There's obviously something fishy going on beneath the surface, but as lethal force is banned this is theoretically the safest opening option. This would drop me in Amsterdam on November 19th, 2010, but if you pick an earlier starting point I could theoretically track them down by the last week of October.
[X] Sharpening the Blade [4 Arete]
I'm voting against Fisher King, but yes I do believe that intentionally risking harm in the present is worse than opening up the option to maybe harm less people in the future under the assumption that the lesser harm will be less fought against.
That said, lose one eye and lung?
We, uh, only have one of those. Each. And yes we're on track to eventually heal them but I'm not a fan of things like Rune King leading to blindness or Runes of Master making us unable to take in air at all.
Hunger could pretty much heal them with his current level of power, he just needs more time to do so!
Not to get too far into the weeds here, but wouldn't argumentation (not omake in general) be done with the intention of overcoming that? Like if you put out 1.5k words of argument for option A while being bound to vote for option B, you're doing so hoping that said argumentation will peel off enough votes from B to A (alongside a mix of the newly flipped voter's argumentation) to make A win despite your argumentation word count. Because, well, you want A to win even if you're not voting for it, hence the attempt at convincing others to vote for it.As it stands, Omake/Argumentation power explicitly strengthens the option for which I cast my vote. I could've put out ten thousand words of poetry about why "Just a Moment" was a better option, and Rihaku would've counted it towards "Never Better."
I mean, sure. I won't say that I was inside the norms of existing vote markers. But...Not to get too far into the weeds here, but wouldn't argumentation (not omake in general) be done with the intention of overcoming that?
Toolbox would certainly be able to help him, provided you take both! Might be highly synergistic actually; the pack is pretty solid tinkertech.I'm really, really not a fan of Boss Rush, it's really icky. Guardian Angel has good synergy with Beasts of Apocalypse. Devil's Toolbox is good, Go Further penalizes growth and that's a big downside in my book.
I don't remember what that's a reference to, although I'm almost certain I've seen it before.It's indexed under Devildoor Me, which I think is at least a passable pun.
There is obvious synergy, but it would likely be much easier to evoke useful atrocities from the Nine's wake than from their current battleground. It does require at least a little bit of prep, moreso if you want something controllable.Go Further provides the necessary power to survive boarding the Express Train; the ability to weaponize the evils of a place when the Slaughterhouse Nine are present has obvious synergies.
An interesting plan, and an ambitious one. Directing the UMI like that requires some dubiously ethical training to pull off reliably. Do you think I'll have time?As you aren't a parahuman and aren't subject to Broadcast, the UMI effects of Devildoor could disrupt the Nine's teamwork (tenuous at the best of times) to bring home the win. You can split the money/glory with Nonstop and make a debut as an individual willing and able to put down the true monsters.
This may also be optimistic. Both mes believe that canon-Cauldron's plans really don't make sense for their stated goals, and while SI-me may suspect his Cauldron isn't canon's, he's still not going to trust Contessa any more than he can kill her.Go Further impeding progress is unfortunate, but by declining to Spill the Cauldron you can get Contessa's assistance in Pathing your way to it.
I take it you're referring to the "grab opponent and warp out" tactic, here?
Both? The worlds are fairly similar by default; the blocks are just easier to take apart and harder to otherwise process.do they come back in the same position relative to the Earth, or relative to Cloaker?
It's actually a joke based on "whiterooming" a fight.
The utility of railways for strengthening civilization is obvious, I'm already getting excited about trains and I haven't explored that mindset since I was 10! You just have to fight the S9 for them. With your "make people more evil" powers. No big deal.
That would be one option, but think of the rewards from going on a dungeon crawl!An earlier start time than the S9 and the Onslaught, so I'm inclined to it for that alone! But the danger is incredible, was once Machine Army not enough for you, Horatio?
Unlike with the S9, there's no immediate need for you to fight, just get the hell out of there.
Might be an adventuring party breaking quarantine! Or they might be paying me to go in and retrieve something for them, payment presumably including ID and/or transport.How would Devil's Toolbox interact with the 14th AZ anyway? Are there holdout tinkers? Oh, nevermind, I see the "presumed."
Oh, you noticed?The earliest start time at the cost of having to deal with killer robots and border guards. Fortunately, you have better superpowers and a little bit of luck to help you survive. You have to save the world eventually, but for now you only have to worry about surviving. The easiest Worm SI plan is to look in the mirror and say "Doormaker" three times, but Horatio's the one getting isekai'd and something tells me he isn't too fond of Cauldron, so that's out.![]()
I should clarify that "lowest priority" means "if no higher priorities conflict, including 'conserve energy'". She's really not going to go out of her way for me, even if she's not dumb enough to look like she's helping me if that would be a net detriment, as @Unelemental feared.So much here relies on luck, but for some godforsaken (oh yeah, that's probably it) reason you're the Simurgh's waifu. Lowest priority, sure, but she's not too busy, she lazes around in space all day. She's not actually an angel, so it'd be double blasphemy to pray to her, but you could write a letter if you have any special requests! She might get around to them in a few thousand years.
Step two of the plan is getting rid of all the S-class threats. It's an ambitious plan, okay?
They don't seem to have much in the way of mind control, so that'd probably be a net upgrade for me. On the other hand, it wouldn't be as effective as filtering them all through Butcher.The problem now is that you don't have enuff dakka. Sidequest to level up? Either that, or practicing your buffs enough to make all your new friends' powers soar! Wwait a minute, that tickles my brain. Uh.
Step 2.5: Don't get kidnapped by the Yangban.
Fucking Worm, I swear.
I'd considered Wake the Devil, but decided it wasn't clever enough.For a name, Devil's Bargain would work, if you don't mind that it's a bit derivative.
[DD] House of Gold
[DD] Beasts of Apocalypse
[DD] Devil's Toolbox
[DD] Boss Rush
[DD] Express Train Number Nine
[DD] Beasts of Apocalypse
[DD] House of Gold
[DD] Devil's Toolbox
[DD] Guardian Angel
[DD] Fourteenth Apocalypse Zone
(A difficult-to quote vote for:)
[D] Beasts of Apocalypse
[D] Go Further
[D] Express Train Number Nine
[D] House of Gold
[D] Beasts of Apocalypse
[D] Go Further
[D] Guardian Angel
[D] Express Train Number Nine
[D] House of Gold
[D] Beasts of Apocalypse
[D] Go Further
[D] Guardian Angel
[D] Express Train Number Nine
[D] House of Gold
[D] Beasts of Apocalypse
[D] Go Further
[D] Guardian Angel
[D] Express Train Number Nine
[D] House of Gold
[D] Beasts of Apocalypse
[D] Guardian Angel
[D] Go Further
[D] Fourteenth Apocalypse Zone
Well, that's a good idea I'd like to take credit for, but I was actually just quoting from your trigger-type page.I take it you're referring to the "grab opponent and warp out" tactic, here?
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