I think i'll be equally happy with any combination on offer.

[X] Purchase It
[X] Don't Purchase It

[X] Cast Line
[X] Bait and Tackle
[X] Attempt Diplomacy
 
Man, just imagine. 25-Arete version of the Rod of the Ages. Our fishing Legend carved into the canvas of the real and challenging an Armament-Fish as its first opponent. We could have that if we just S A V E here.
 
I'm going to spontaneously transform into a salt pillar if Ber chooses this day to teleport here and coincidentally becomes the Fish's pilot.
Ah, so this is how we can get Pillars without Arete or pick spending. o7 Unelemental, your sacrifice would be forgotten only after a few months instead of weeks.

Also member Ber, the poor guy was said to be outscaled by Trinity +Rank and Oaf, we only got Crown,Tears,Tower,King of Winter(+Whiteout) and probably ADS after that. And may Accursed have mercy on him, because Hunger will have none.
 
Ah, so this is how we can get Pillars without Arete or pick spending. o7 Unelemental, your sacrifice would be forgotten only after a few months instead of weeks.

Also member Ber, the poor guy was said to be outscaled by Trinity +Rank and Oaf, we only got Crown,Tears,Tower,King of Winter(+Whiteout) and probably ADS after that. And may Accursed have mercy on him, because Hunger will have none.
Armaments give their pilots Totality unless they're too broken, making the squishy guys and girls effectively immune to damage while they're combined due to being elsewhere. :(
 
I'm going to spontaneously transform into a salt pillar if Ber chooses this day to teleport here and coincidentally becomes the Fish's pilot.

I've been thinking off hand about Ber and Apo-chan. I wonder if she might end up getting... if not annoyed with us, then perhaps at least more determined going forward. She has twice set Ber on a crash course towards us and twice he has been left treading water. If it was "just" a curse I might think they could get themselves in an infinite loop, always buffing Ber as he is a step behind us, and eventually we slow down enough for the fight to take place.

But from our look into the mind of the curse, she appears to be able to think, rationalize, and potentially get upset. Losing is one thing, as she isn't even trying to 'win', but never having a horse in the race too many times is dangerously boring. It might force her to fulfill the 'but very occasionally you will be forced to dig deep and discover whether you are truly worthy of the Accursed's mantle.' portion of the blurb. If we are going to scale so hard, so quickly, she may decide to say game on.

So she sets a new baseline to match our current trajectory(ridiculous), then scales up a curse to reliably exceed that(oh god) and sits back to see if she needs to tweak it up. Speaking of which, don't we have a super-progression monster currently on a collision course towards us? But if that's already done for her...

Oh god, they are going to team up, aren't they?

Part of me would hate it, but wouldn't it be fitting for fate to conspire to give Ber the tools he needs to finally get revenge on us? I mean, even if he can't fight us one on one, he doesn't need to. A nudge from the Apocryphal to steer him into the hands of someone duty bound to face our party, and him with power enough to strike down Aobaru while we are grappling with his overpowered teammate... It wouldn't thrill him, but if the quest text told him to get Aobaru he would do it without question.

Now I think we may want to bait the Apocryphal proc here, give less charge for her to intervene with the insanity we already signed up for.
 
[X] Purchase It
[X] Cast Line


Eh who cares about safety. I only wanted bait to get some warm bodies to throw at the fish, which I doubt everyone would have gone for anyways. If we just end up going for artifacts and another build vote then I think I'm going to scream. Let's reel that baby in!
 
[X] Don't Purchase It
[X] Cast Line
[X] Attempt Diplomacy


Updating my vote to not include ADS. Why? So we can buy new shinies after the fish fight of course!

Hopefully not OaF2, that would be boring.
 
TBH, even if it is really not crucial - counterproductive in some ways, even! - to buy ADS here, getting some Apocryphal mitigation now would be pretty grand.

...Does oblige us to work extra-hard if we want to pick up anything interesting with Fish-picks, tho....

Hopefully not OaF2, that would be boring.
IIRC, Shroud was hinted to grand some additional magical abilities beyond "More rank, and now your rank is extra-effective" thing it does by default.
 
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TBH, even if it is really not crucial - counterproductive in some ways, even! - to buy ADS here, getting some Apocryphal mitigation now would be pretty grand.
ADS Grants Curse mitigation
In practice, this mitigates all Curses as per Magic-Defeating Stance and renders the character nigh-immune to most forms of harm, as all attacks are intercepted by an imperishable well of ablative Ruin.
 
It would be absolutely hilarious though.

Just... perfection
Imagine if he was railroaded into Prestige Classing into something built around an animal companion and was deeply irritated at how suboptimal this was... until the Armament appeared. Should've had more faith in Apocryphal-chan's guidance! Congratulations, Ber my boy, you're playing a pet class now. Nominative determinism in action. The Bear and the Fish, truly a match made somewhere biblical.
 
I'm quite happy to pick Bait and Tackle and not spend much arete there. Hunger and Gisena can make some preperations without Microwave doing all the work for them.
 
He should still be grinding his prestige class for at least 2 days.

Man is that sad. I mean we have already far exceeded his apocryphal enhanced growth cap in less than the time it takes for him to hit it. It almost makes me feel sorry for him. Almost, he was quite the scumbag if I remember correctly. I wonder if we could charisma him into a surrender now that we have a fair amount, cause otherwise the steam roll will be akin the man vs avalanche imagery suggested by Whiteout. Unless he has some kind of novel lateral capabilities that are especially effective against us.
 
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Is Hunger even going to remember Ber? He doesn't know about the Apocryphal proc, so for him Ber was just a guy that attacked his party once and ran away.
Hunger correctly guessed it was a proc, he even thought the line:
"We'll talk about this later," he growled, advancing upon the now-forming portals. Fuck these so-called interesting times.
Outscaling the Blue Swordsman (a title we have now thoroughly usurped, but maybe we can get a Defining Advancement out of slaying a pretender to the throne?) was one reason Hunger went to the Temple, so it's safe to say he remembers. The guy did swear vengeance, Hunger's life isn't so interesting (yet) that that's merely a slow Tuesday.
 
Hunger correctly guessed it was a proc, he even thought the line:

Outscaling the Blue Swordsman (a title we have now thoroughly usurped, but maybe we can get a Defining Advancement out of slaying a pretender?) was one reason Hunger went to the Temple, so it's safe to say he remembers. The guy did swear vengeance, Hunger's life isn't so interesting (yet) that that's merely a slow Tuesday.
But Hunger does remember enough of Earth to quote M. Bison when Ber shows up again.
 
Hunger correctly guessed it was a proc, he even thought the line:

Outscaling the Blue Swordsman (a title we have now thoroughly usurped, but maybe we can get a Defining Advancement out of slaying a pretender?) was one reason Hunger went to the Temple, so it's safe to say he remembers. The guy did swear vengeance, Hunger's life isn't so interesting (yet) that that's merely a slow Tuesday.
I meant the second Ber proc in Choice of Import, he can't have possibly expected Ber to keep up after the Temple.
 
Would it be possible to use the Armament Fish to give our second form corporeal blood? We had an option to use verslengorge to give our second form blood so it's likely possible to do so with the Armament Fish.
 
"That would be a bit rough for just a theme park manager," Aeira smiled reassuringly.
I see the Jurassic Park movies haven't become enduring cultural touchstones like Neuron Genesis Cathedrelion. That's a Procession in its own right, each new installment presaged by weeping paleontologists, the park's ideas increasingly infeasible, the dinosaurs growing ever-deadlier...
"Several orders of magnitude larger than the Rotbeast, even! Are you truly prepared for this, Hunger?"
Not that execrable nickname, for once. Is this a sign that Gisena's very worried? Picking apart her dialogue can be interesting when there's actual substance to it, but it's hard to tell how much is apophenia; am I looking underneath the underneath or seeing patterns in my toast?
 
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