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The question is, do we wish to spend our perfect defence mitigating the Apocryphal Curse to make the fight safer and more predictable, or keep it handy to block one of the Fish's attacks?

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I'm very happy we've gotten Once and Future and eagerly await the Forebear lore awaiting us.

Rihaku said:
Time was of the essence; once he went through with the full absorption, they would have to act swiftly to dispatch Curse and adversary both lest the humanitarian cost become unmanageable.
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This is quite worrying all told. Between the obvious alert of the Tower and giving him time to prepare, I worry that perhaps Eruntael and his legions might not be there to aid us by the time we return, else the Lord-Protector might set up deadman's switches in an effort to scuttle any Royalist plans.

Rihaku said:
And, it is only under such dire conditions that your strength can truly flourish! Perhaps that's the very nature of Hunger.
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An interesting point. Hunger is a greedy man but what else could you expect of someone with an essence perfectly aligned with Ambition's Grip?
 
[X] The Armament Fish

Of course the fish is going to win, that's the natural law of the universe. Truly a shame it's not as dangerous as it used to be since it renders self-defeating stance practically useless. Ahh the curse of anti-synergy!
 
In all honestly, I'd rather not take from the Elixir Sovereignty when we haven't done anything for it ever since we took control aside from blood buffing some of their guys.
 
DarkSideBard said:
[X] The Armament Fish

If it's a choice between personal risk and sacrificing the prosperity of the people, it's really no choice at all, is it?

I can see Hunger taking Territorial Waters while solemnly promising to make it up to his citizens, but I can't imagine him taking The Lord of Stalks.
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Not if he's oblivious!

HUNGER: So... I just have to kill this rando and we can get back to focusing on the Lord Protector?
HUNGER: That was easy.
 
Armament Fish has a big advantage here, as there is no listed death% chance (although it's implied there is a death chance), and it's the most epic option available. We can have a climactic duel against a mighty beast, or sit in a power-absorbing machine for a bit, or bulldoze some scrub who's forces are nothing against us.

In terms of what gets the Decimation done and us back to the LP fight as fast as possible, that would be The Lord of Stalks though. There's a moral cost to that though.

So basically -

Armament Fish - High-Risk High-Reward
Lord of Stalks - High Moral Cost, Very Fast And Easy
Territorial Waters - Slow, Some Cost to people under our rule, Very Easy

Put like that, it's hard for me to come to a choice.
 
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Still though, I'm really happy that we get to hunt down our current unknowing gundam and fulfill the fish memes.

[X] The Armament Fish
 
[X] Territorial Waters
[X] The Lord of Stalks

At first I was going to vote Fish, but I then realized that we'd have to kill the fish to deal with Decimation. Frankly, I would prefer to put that Kyogre in a pokeball instead.

Between the remaining options I don't have a preference, so I'll split for now until I see some more argumentation.
 
There's also the consideration that the Lord Protector is now preparing, and so growing in threat to us. Absorbing the Elixir Springs might mitigate Decimation, but it leaves us at our current level of power, which pre-preparation was still insufficient to guarantee a win. In contrast, the Fish grants Picks; what do you want to bet that Progression ramps up faster than LP's preparation?
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
The question is, do we wish to spend our perfect defence mitigating the Apocryphal Curse to make the fight safer and more predictable, or keep it handy to block one of the fishes attacks?
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Since we die in a single hit, Silver is of outsized usefulness in this fight compared to any other. But for the same reason, Apo-chan doesn't have to do any powerup shenanigans, just flip a switch- but wait, it could do that even at lower power. So save it for the fight, I think.

Plan is to Thornspam, we can't easily hurt it otherwise. Teleport on top of it/nearby, with Aeira having buffed Hunger a second ago, and with RoQ having been cast five minutes ago (if it lasts that long). And any temp buffs Adorie's folks might be able to give? Then hit once, dodge around to try to regain stealth (it'll have to be a loooooong dodge), then thornspam as quickly as possible in a frantic attempt to kill it before it kills us. Apply Silver when you get ganked. So we have two free hits, if we're lucky. How to pump that number up, that's the question.
 
If we do end up going after the fish what would be most useful against it, Monster-Defeating Stance or All-Defeating Stance?
 
Tyrant_Rayne said:
If we do end up going after the fish what would be most useful against it, Monster-Defeating Stance or All-Defeating Stance?
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The extra ruin doesn't help much if we're relying primarily on Thorn to do damage. What we want for this fight is more Agi, I think. But we don't know exactly what MoDS does, hm. But unless it's amazing, I doubt it can compare to an EFB even if it is incredibly specialized.

Don't take my word when I say ADS is best, though, I'm biased.
 
All-Defeating; Monster-defeating just spikes Ruin DPS, IIRC, while ADS does that and turns Ruin into another layer of pretty absurd protection.

It might just a be a 2-pick fight with it; without "rocket tag" element involved, this fight is just bullying poor fishie.

And then there is Apocryphal mitigation. 17.5% mitigation, finally some decent numbers.
 
[X] The Armament Fish

REEEEEEEEEE

Ze Fish, FUCK THE TYRANT.

If we manage to kill the fish we will most likely be able to kill the tyrant much easier and quicker is my base reason for this choice.
 
I'm just bringing up MoDS because I doubt we can earn ~14 Arete before the battle. 7 Arete is a lot easier to earn in 2 days. While the boost it gives us might not be as much as ADS, the specialization it gives should be enough to offer us safety.
 
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Rihaku said:
This will reduce the power of the Springs to slightly below their Rotbeast-affected levels, and see the Springs depleted in roughly fifty-five years, but that's essentially just a return to the status quo for the people of the Kingdom...
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That's 55 years, which is kind of a holy shit amount of time. Hunger's gotten to Rank 8.5 after a month and we're well on our way to assuming direct control of the Voyaging Realm through Aobaru. The heights we could take them to with more time would be unimaginable. Moreover, both the consequences involved can be easily mitigating through negotiations with Nilfel, in the form of favourable trade deals (for prosperity) and tutoring in Foremost magics (in lieu of Elite Surgecrafters).

Considering its the safest, most reliable and least harmful choice, it doesn't deserve to be discarded out of hand.
 
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