A Simple Transaction I
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Lealope
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Hmm. Could Seven Seals have allowed us to eventually have all of our attributes gain passive buffs to their ISH potency? Residing half-way into the Realm of Forms sounds an awful lot like what Turn E's state of being. But where is this place? Could it be the Astral? She doesn't seem like an Astral Beast but perhaps that's just the difference between Foremost engineered beings and its natural denizens.
As a sidenote, the creature's name is Turn E and she's a big cat. Turn E Cat = Tourniquet? Absurd to theorise based on puns but could she have been some sort of embodiment of repair and care?
[X] Hide Behind Gisena
This has the highest chance of improving the QOL of our polity and healing the scars left from our assault on the temple sets a precedent of doing well for the people when we can (When We/Our Party/The World aren't consequently suffering for their sake)along with + Mental Stability, which is a God Stat long term makes this a no-brainer for me! (Edit: Reading comprehension fail, was not entirely true, but it is relatively stress free/less mentally compromising)
Also, delegating responsibilities to trusted subordinates regularly is the most important skill/quality among among leaders of any field(from middle management to ruling) so doing it well is very important!
And the idea of gisena getting humbled makes me cackle, so even if it somehow fails it'll feel good!
[X] Priority Two
Not at all sure about the second part of the vote, and What Rains May Come makes sticking around Aobaru a very tempting prospect....
Choosing this for now, because while Letrizia's uneasiness with returning home most likely has to do with her (possible) betrayal, i want to know wtf is happening in the human realm.
This has the highest chance of improving the QOL of our polity and healing the scars left from our assault on the temple sets a precedent of doing well for the people when we can (When We/Our Party/The World aren't consequently suffering for their sake)
Also, delegating responsibilities to trusted subordinates regularly is the most important skill/quality among among leaders of any field(from middle management to ruling) so doing it well is very important!
And the idea of gisena getting humbled makes me cackle, so even if it somehow fails it'll feel good!
[X] Priority Two
Not at all sure about the second part of the vote, and What Rains May Come makes sticking around Aobaru a very tempting prospect....
Choosing this for now, because while Letrizia's uneasiness with returning home most likely has to do with her (possible) betrayal, i want to know wtf is happening in the human realm.
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DkArthas
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On the other hand, Adorie might also become one of the people we delegate to in the future, since we are taking Tears(Adorie), wouldn't it be nice to get + relationship to get her on our side further!
Edit: Hide behind Gisena also doesn't come with +mental stability and I don't think it's anymore healthy than Cut Through. Wouldn't it be nice to finally take an Cut Through option? It's been neglected for so long!
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Lealope
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It's worth considering the potential capabilities this might offer in the event of a war. While the Sovereignty seceded from the Empire and Aobaru actually believes in those ideals to an extent, I imagine reunification would be entirely possible if the new Emperor in question was his beloved and respected mentor, who did so much for him. Between a level of personal power capable of defeating Armaments and Adorie's ability to shelter our realms from the Apocryphal, we'd be able to focus entirely on whatever ludicrously powerful True Omega Finalised Secret Bonus Boss is lurking in the shadows. If there is none to be had, then we could instead focus entirely on exploring the secrets of the Foremost. If they ascended, the remnants of their ladder to heaven could be invaluable. If they were destroyed, that's a threat we should be seeking immediate intel on.
True, but losing our future freedoms (and therefore our ability to adapt our plans, a quality our Rulership Philosophy highlighted, and just enhanced by build vote choices) just does not appeal to me the same way as an almost Xanatos Gambit of;
Gisena completely loses negotiations -> freedoms shackled but + Gisena Relation and Gisena humbled
Gisena has middeling results negotiating -> freedoms mostly shackled but polities improved + Gisena Relation and Gisena partially humbled.
Gisena wins negotiations -> Polities improved, freedoms mostly retained and + Gisena Relation.
We get something no matter what happens!
Cutting Through here is the only option that (at least partially) gives up negotiating. Into the Breach at least has (the chance)picks to compensate for a lower success chance!
What is the worth of a future ally's goodwill, that we would blindly agree to yet undefined terms and chain our future?
Not spending time negotiating so Decimator does less damage is reasonable, but depends on things we have no information about currently (how far away our targets could be, and how long it takes to scry a spot and get familiar it for our teleportation) So picking Cut Through for that is cool!
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DkArthas
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Emperor is such an outdated title! Why not go for something like The Great and Eternal Helmsmen of the People's Democratic Republic of Human Sphere....
Are we really giving up our freedom though? We were already planning to do what she wants from us!
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it's less our freedom, and more the terms like 'who get's what when the tyrant is dead?' and 'does the Realm owe us more for our services?' etc. which we give up on if we blindly give our word now!
And as seen under Cut Through, there could even be additional burdens placed:
We could even end up owing them for taking all their precious heirlooms (and their tower lol)! in that case, we could even be indentured to their service as her ally!
And wouldn't that be tragic...
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Took awhile to notice, thanks for the correction!
And that is true! The forebear/praxis/Sord does deserve some love every once in a while, and the option is pretty good at supplying such! (even if i argue against it)
Dear Reading Comprehension, how could i appease you so that i may correctly read what is written?
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[X] Cut Through
[X] Impart, then Depart
We help him grow strong, kill the chains enemy, let him go on his journey after powering up and then head to HR. Efficient.
Cut Through mostly to save time tho I wonder if Into The breach would let us negotiate a 2 day hiatus where we go hunt down Huntress Moon whole Adorie and the gang hide out with Lord Erun.
[X] Impart, then Depart
We help him grow strong, kill the chains enemy, let him go on his journey after powering up and then head to HR. Efficient.
Cut Through mostly to save time tho I wonder if Into The breach would let us negotiate a 2 day hiatus where we go hunt down Huntress Moon whole Adorie and the gang hide out with Lord Erun.
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I don't like it. Among other things, we already have an empowering Pickless purchase option: All-Defeating Stance.
I honestly do like this. Hunger requires conflict and adversity, but that doesn't mean literally all conflicts at all times. Also, taking cover behind Gisena is a nice change of pace when it happens.
Tempting also. It's a good "cut through" option. And we can still take cover behind Gisena if trade negotiations happen.
NOT DYING gang approves!
That... is a fair point, but I'm not sure I like this one?
Yeah. Interesting issues here, not sure it's worth gambling against the Apocryphal Curse.
No. More. Recklessness.
No more skipping brain day.
Rihaku
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Not just distribution of the spoils, but also matters of strategy in the conduct of the campaign! Does one side lead, should both parties agree to any major action, etc! Of course Hunger has very limited flexibility due to his Doom but he is able to Perfect Defense-mitigate it if necessary, and it's not as if Tyranny stops him from recognizing the tactical utility of an ally that knows their enemy more than him!
I'm surprised Into the Breach isn't popular, it's certainly risky but don't you guys want to get another crack at the social Advancements which can only be reliably unlocked in social combat? Worthy opponents are increasingly rare these days! Doesn't Hunger need the practice more than Gisena, who's perfectly able to train without stakes?
DkArthas
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Yeah, we can't always depend on hiding behind Gisena, more charisma is well and good but experience counts for an lot too. The social Advancements would also have good synergy with the amount of charisma we are going to get, might be helpful in negotiating with things we summon with Enclosure.
Letrizia is a magi now too. Won't the Voyaging realm put up a fight to keep her too?
Come to think of it, I wonder if that can be steered by Rank and Decimators Lens to a fight that will mitigate the Decimation curse
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[X] Hide Behind Gisena
[X] Impart, then Depart
I'm fine with not getting social combat picks. As for Aobaru, we should deal with the Chains of Fate-summoned enemy before leaving for the HS, but I don't want to stay in the VR any longer than that. We should get to the main plot at SOME point.
[X] Impart, then Depart
I'm fine with not getting social combat picks. As for Aobaru, we should deal with the Chains of Fate-summoned enemy before leaving for the HS, but I don't want to stay in the VR any longer than that. We should get to the main plot at SOME point.
[X] Into the Breach
Social fights are fights too and well worth voting for! I'm not keen on the characterization that Hunger takes on from Hiding Behind Gisena; a King should at least be able to negotiate major political agreements with other sovereigns on his own terms when necessary and this is a decision that I think Hunger should be the one to take. If the king doesn't lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow? To be worthy of the title of 'Once and Future', to become the King of Winter, Hunger should perform feats commensurate to that Title.
I'm divided on the Aobaru vote. I like the Long Voyage but going that route means committing to the Voyaging Realm plotline for the duration of the quest and I know some people preferred to go to the Human Sphere - though the recent Foremost lore might swayed people's opinions. Impart, then Depart isn't bad in that we give Aobaru a fair amount of initial power, handle the primary threat of the Chains enemy and can then resume the primary plotline of the Human Sphere quest but it does feel a little middle-of-the-road to not complete the VR plotline, especially after that lion just dumped more tasty PLOT and LORE on us... I could see the benefits of either option and I don't feel too strongly about that now.
Social fights are fights too and well worth voting for! I'm not keen on the characterization that Hunger takes on from Hiding Behind Gisena; a King should at least be able to negotiate major political agreements with other sovereigns on his own terms when necessary and this is a decision that I think Hunger should be the one to take. If the king doesn't lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow? To be worthy of the title of 'Once and Future', to become the King of Winter, Hunger should perform feats commensurate to that Title.
I'm divided on the Aobaru vote. I like the Long Voyage but going that route means committing to the Voyaging Realm plotline for the duration of the quest and I know some people preferred to go to the Human Sphere - though the recent Foremost lore might swayed people's opinions. Impart, then Depart isn't bad in that we give Aobaru a fair amount of initial power, handle the primary threat of the Chains enemy and can then resume the primary plotline of the Human Sphere quest but it does feel a little middle-of-the-road to not complete the VR plotline, especially after that lion just dumped more tasty PLOT and LORE on us... I could see the benefits of either option and I don't feel too strongly about that now.
HoratioVonBecker
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Eh, fair enough. It's probable that Pillars of Creation would also allow social combat, but that's some ways off.
[X] Into the Breach
As for the mentor vote, I don't think Impart will be easy or terribly reliable, but it's a choice between that and Long Voyage.
What Rains May Come is really cool, and we'd get it free.
On the other hand, Letrizia's dad might be dying. It's all a choice about whether getting the Voyaging Realm onside is worth the risks of leaving it alone.
[X] Let Letrizia Choose
Odds are good that something's happening to her home, and if we stay much longer it may be gone. On the other hand, it's been a while already. In her opinion as the Duchess Artreiz, is it better for her family to risk another couple of months attempting to seize control of the Voyaging Realm, or for her to be home right now?
Oh, here's a thought. What if we drop her and the not-quite-'mostly'-repaired Verschlangorge at Voyaging City, spend up to a week getting her out if she can't just handle the apocalypse on account of Armament, and then turn around and head for the center? We'd lose our link to him, alas.
Frankly, our biggest problem is that we don't have enough information to know what the optimal play looks like.
[X] Phone Home
Hunt down a way of contacting Letrizia's duchy via secure channel, and ask for an update on their situation. Surely, an ally gaining control of the Voyaging Realm would be worth almost any price - but we know to be suspicious of 'almost', don't we?
[X] Into the Breach
As for the mentor vote, I don't think Impart will be easy or terribly reliable, but it's a choice between that and Long Voyage.
What Rains May Come is really cool, and we'd get it free.
On the other hand, Letrizia's dad might be dying. It's all a choice about whether getting the Voyaging Realm onside is worth the risks of leaving it alone.
[X] Let Letrizia Choose
Odds are good that something's happening to her home, and if we stay much longer it may be gone. On the other hand, it's been a while already. In her opinion as the Duchess Artreiz, is it better for her family to risk another couple of months attempting to seize control of the Voyaging Realm, or for her to be home right now?
Oh, here's a thought. What if we drop her and the not-quite-'mostly'-repaired Verschlangorge at Voyaging City, spend up to a week getting her out if she can't just handle the apocalypse on account of Armament, and then turn around and head for the center? We'd lose our link to him, alas.
Frankly, our biggest problem is that we don't have enough information to know what the optimal play looks like.
[X] Phone Home
Hunt down a way of contacting Letrizia's duchy via secure channel, and ask for an update on their situation. Surely, an ally gaining control of the Voyaging Realm would be worth almost any price - but we know to be suspicious of 'almost', don't we?
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