Don't listen to the Devil people. He wants to lead our Arete astray.
Crown: 12 Arete +0.5 Rank 0.041 Rank per Arete
OaF: 23 Arete +0.8 Rank 0.034 Rank per Arete
A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Crown: 12 Arete +0.5 Rank 0.041 Rank per Arete
OaF: 23 Arete +0.8 Rank 0.034 Rank per Arete
Rihaku
The Internet
Is the value of external Rank that scales perfectly the same as internal Rank that makes future gains exponentially harder?
- Location
- a place
Also, for what it's worth, we've had fairly huge discussions whenever this sort of governmental stuff has come up, been introduced to new characters, and learned more information about the civilization to discuss, all of which would contribute a lot to arete generation with Be The Change.
In the short term? Crown beats OaF
We could get ADS after that and compared to OaF it would have cost 3 more arete and we would have lost 0.3 Rank
ADS+Crown - 26 Arete
+0.5 Rank + ADS 5x auto defense
OaF - 23 Arete
+0.8 Rank
Not to mention the immediate power of Crown will reduce the innate risk of Tower.
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Hmm. No, of course not, except in the very short term, in which case yes. And Internal Rank doesn't make OaF more expensive. So Ber would get stomped if we grabbed both. Which means the solution is more Arete, as it always is!
Oooor we could go for Honing instead. Look how pretty it is, you know you want the blood.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
[X] Be the Change
[X] The Tower Itself
[X] Feat: Crown (12 Arete)
Be the change is good by itself since it comes with our own Saiyan army eventually and lets Hunger relitigate his past failures. More importantly though it gives us access to Crown which gets us to rank 7 which is ridiculous. We do lose a bit of time so taking Tower gets us there quicker to be safe and gives us the danger bonus.
[X] The Tower Itself
[X] Feat: Crown (12 Arete)
Be the change is good by itself since it comes with our own Saiyan army eventually and lets Hunger relitigate his past failures. More importantly though it gives us access to Crown which gets us to rank 7 which is ridiculous. We do lose a bit of time so taking Tower gets us there quicker to be safe and gives us the danger bonus.
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
- Location
- Canada
Rihaku
The Internet
There's something to be said for Laissez-Faire and exploring the Walls of Myth... something like, actual access to content about magic and artifacts instead of bureaucracy and politics! Remember that wordcount is the most important resource of all. Plus, the time delay isn't trivial, even 4-5 days spent overturning the government could put a real hamper on your plans to deal with Ber, to say nothing of the moral cost of Decimation for those days! At what cost justice?
Now that you've committed to Core Panoply -> OaF, all that's left is to follow through!
But are you guys confident in your ability to generate tactics for politics?! Do you really want to tie Hunger down with a kingship in a land that he fundamentally can't stay and rule given his Geas-imposed task in the Human Sphere?
Now that you've committed to Core Panoply -> OaF, all that's left is to follow through!
But are you guys confident in your ability to generate tactics for politics?! Do you really want to tie Hunger down with a kingship in a land that he fundamentally can't stay and rule given his Geas-imposed task in the Human Sphere?
I was assuming the time constraints (Seconds/minutes of evaluations per person potentially considering the pop to be sorted through) spiked the difficulty enough that extra capacity for snap cold reading and such wasn't wasted. The mental stats still seem relevant though considering Hunger's tweaking the setup here a bit and is much less stacked there.
Anyway
[X] The Walls of Myth
[X] Towards Stranglethorn
[X] Intervention Mk. I
I think this is the most solid combo, does everything well enough and doesn't try to cash any checks we might not have the balance for.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Don't listen to the Devil people. He wants to lead our Arete astray.
Crown: 12 Arete +0.5 Rank 0.041 Rank per Arete
OaF: 23 Arete +0.8 Rank 0.034 Rank per Arete
But OaF is actually +1.8 Arete in combat, which is when we need rank the most? So it's actually around twice as good as Crown. Yes, it doesn't stack with Crimson Flare, Crimson Flare is not as broad as Martial Matters in terms of things you can apply rank to.
Also, Crown is normal rank gain, meaning each rank gain from there on out becomes harder. OaF does not make future rank gain harder.
Just with Silver-Trinity-ADS our chances are good against Bearic but there is still a death chance. With OaF added victory is pretty much assured. So while suboptimal in the long term Crown is a stopgap option and with the expected rewards of Opalescent Tower's new magics, advancements and artifacts I'm confident of our chances with Ber.
Magical_Duck
The One Who Quacks
- Location
- A Pond
- Pronouns
- Duck
[X] Be the Change
"Qu- Qua- Quuack"
[X] The Walls of Myth
"Quack Quack, Quack... Quack"
[X] Feat: Crown (12 Arete)
"QUACK"
"Qu- Qua- Quuack"
[X] The Walls of Myth
"Quack Quack, Quack... Quack"
[X] Feat: Crown (12 Arete)
"QUACK"
Kinda iffy on the Military Rank - does that include brawls or duels?
@Rihaku can you confirm if Military encompasses duels and brawls?
Rihaku
The Internet
Hm...
Crown: +.5 Rank which makes future Rank gains slower
OaF: +1.8 Rank in combat, +.8 Rank outside, and raises both Combat and Bloodcasting to the 'High' Rank category where overwhelming leads are accrued via much smaller differences.
Seems to me that OaF is vastly more powerful and efficient in the short term!
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
A nice side benefit of your preferred option losing horribly is that you can stand to the side and cheer "yeah, what he said!" as your opinions transmute into words on a page without having to actually write them yourself.
Zampano
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- Location
- Simping for DSB
Nobody involved in the bet thought to specify until now. I'm inclined to say yes, because I worked really hard to build Omake power last vote. But, I don't want the default assumption to be that markers have vetoes attached.
Would you be OK if I reserve a Veto for this vote only and then treat it as a no-veto marker from now on? Then future wagers with me will always specify that markers are veto-free.
@Aabcehmu: same request. If you both object then we'll just say no veto at all.
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Short term is relative. In this update Crown beats OaF because we can actually afford it. So your logic is wrong (unless you discount OaF by 11 Arete)
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
One thing to consider is because we're nearly into next month and we know at least some patreons are donating at Pay to Win tier so we'll be benefiting from positive modifiers to arete production. Be the Change giving more OOC time before Ber comes to generate arete while we benefit from the bonuses should let us gain what we spend back in time.
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
- Location
- Canada
Yeah that's fine.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
I've seen some terrible things on the internet, many far worse than this, but this a unique kind of cursed.
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...you utter whale. You wanted RW so badly huh
Rihaku
The Internet
That was Trinity with Threefold, however!
It's relative to the degree you want... only if one argues in bad faith!
Maw is a very strong purchase for 7 Arete with good scaling into the future!