A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
[X] Star of Grace
[X] An End to Misery
This is my pick for now, though I'm still processing the options, and strong math arguments could sway me to the Assault Halo.
I wish I liked Imprisoner's Vestige, but a great deal of it's value is tied up in it's Amber of Time effect, and I find that mostly worthless. The fact that it's conceptual potency is capable of growth is interesting, but the only two things about the EFB I'm drawn to are the Subspace Pocket, and the protection increase, and that's not enough value for 25 Arete.
The Assault Halo is more interesting, I'm a huge fan of ADS, so this has some appeal, but it's a bit limited, if it effected all currently in use stances it would be more of a lock, but for now I'm going to have to say no.
Urg, pure social power, I cant actually describe the level of hate I feel for this option, in my world view it has absolutely no use, and while I know I'm alone in that feeling, it's still my thought process, HARD PASS.
Now, I was not wild about Silver of Evening when we first saw it, I always liked Total Eclipse the best of the ES EFB's and this seemed to put Edeldross in it's place, without adding enough value to be worth disincentivizing Total Eclipse.
The bonuses added to the option change that somewhat, the language is much more evocative, it gives us true, permanent graces at double the power, the agility bonus continues to be nice, and having a perfect defense once a month is a good panic button.
Added to that is Renaissance Woman waiting in the background, if Gisena's getting Total Eclipse, we aren't, and I agree that narratively it makes more sense for that to be her power up, especial now that we can craft full graces out of Edeldross, the fact that they wont be directly offensive is immaterial, Praxis is much better at that anyway.
When it comes down to it, making a EFB even stronger is a better use of the reward, and the Arete, then taking a more limited option, and I just love the text of star of grace. I was never wild about Pilars anyway, I prefer more tangible power over time skip buffing, and taking a pure power EFB gives us more options when it comes to maximizing Trinity.
[X] An End to Misery
This is my pick for now, though I'm still processing the options, and strong math arguments could sway me to the Assault Halo.
I wish I liked Imprisoner's Vestige, but a great deal of it's value is tied up in it's Amber of Time effect, and I find that mostly worthless. The fact that it's conceptual potency is capable of growth is interesting, but the only two things about the EFB I'm drawn to are the Subspace Pocket, and the protection increase, and that's not enough value for 25 Arete.
The Assault Halo is more interesting, I'm a huge fan of ADS, so this has some appeal, but it's a bit limited, if it effected all currently in use stances it would be more of a lock, but for now I'm going to have to say no.
Urg, pure social power, I cant actually describe the level of hate I feel for this option, in my world view it has absolutely no use, and while I know I'm alone in that feeling, it's still my thought process, HARD PASS.
Now, I was not wild about Silver of Evening when we first saw it, I always liked Total Eclipse the best of the ES EFB's and this seemed to put Edeldross in it's place, without adding enough value to be worth disincentivizing Total Eclipse.
The bonuses added to the option change that somewhat, the language is much more evocative, it gives us true, permanent graces at double the power, the agility bonus continues to be nice, and having a perfect defense once a month is a good panic button.
Added to that is Renaissance Woman waiting in the background, if Gisena's getting Total Eclipse, we aren't, and I agree that narratively it makes more sense for that to be her power up, especial now that we can craft full graces out of Edeldross, the fact that they wont be directly offensive is immaterial, Praxis is much better at that anyway.
When it comes down to it, making a EFB even stronger is a better use of the reward, and the Arete, then taking a more limited option, and I just love the text of star of grace. I was never wild about Pilars anyway, I prefer more tangible power over time skip buffing, and taking a pure power EFB gives us more options when it comes to maximizing Trinity.
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Zampano
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- Simping for DSB
Even without the malus incurred by institutionalizing anti-robot bigotry, conceptually linking Rule to Blood sets up an aristocracy or Nobility that I immediately chafe under. The Ennoblement descriptions have skirted the line of eugenics by appealing to Tolkien's legendarium but this option seems icky in a way I might eventually be able to articulate
Hoo boy, full Graces? That we don't have to maintain? And whats more access to new ones rely on Gisenna thats about to be buffed up by the Azure Ring? Discount towards EFB and Trinity? Stats enhancement out of the whazoo? A perfect defence above the conceptual realm? I mean what kind of crazy shenanigans is this?
Oh god the protection bonus plus removing all penalties to it even non-Evening Sky derived ones. Perfectly neutralize and safely subdue all opponents. Sealing techniques without the Seven Seal limitations. Turn broken enemies into pokemons, strip powers from others that we could not harvest with the Ring of Hunger the list goes on and on. The amount of abuse a superhumanly smart person could do with this...
Ahahaha an even more powerful All-Defeating Stance! Or maybe invest all its power into Magic or Hero-Defeating Stance. Like that is good but the permanent buffs are the real power up of this advancement.
7+ Rank Crimson Flare buffed up reality warping power over a broad range of social effects. We saw already with words and Treachery that even stronger beings can be broken and have them kneel and serve us. It might be easier to reach the level where we have enough Rank and social powers to subvert and dominate the Human Sphere especially its arnament pilots...
[X] His People Need Him
[X] Star of Grace
A magic system that we don't need to train and research plus a perfect defence? Sign me up chief!
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
The light of the soul huh... It seems this is indeed Soul Evocation, but different. Oriented around the Evening Sky instead of Seals, and with a bunch of immediate power bonuses. Also makes buying the Opalescence tree good, although we should probably do that after Trinity.
[X] Imprisoner's Vestige
It appears I'm waffling. Two different Evening Sky EFBs, both with mage cutouts, providing progress towards Trinity as well... This is a good vote.
Also @BrainInAJar calling in a marker. Objective is Imprisoner's Vestige or Star of Grace winning, I don't care which.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Imprisoner's Might make finally make Evening sky pearlscence upgrades relevant again and completely fixes our weakness of low protection while giving us an alternative to killing our enemies, which might be very good for Hunger's mental state in the long run. No more being forced to kill Vanriers or other actual heroic types. We can recruit them!
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- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Let's see. We're currently at 5.4 Rank, so 7.4 rank for Blood.
Without knowing the full extent of what Ring-Lord offers it doesn't really appeal to me. Higher rank there is nice but replicable in other ways. On the other hand the boosts to Silver and Tomb are likely unique.
Without knowing the full extent of what Ring-Lord offers it doesn't really appeal to me. Higher rank there is nice but replicable in other ways. On the other hand the boosts to Silver and Tomb are likely unique.
- Location
- Pindorama
I recommend Star of Grace because we still have that training malus; Gisena can not only research Edeldross for us, she will now do it with the power of the Azure Ring! Meanwhile, we'd still hack away at developing Tomb at slightly sub-human pace.
[X] Star of Grace
Strange9
hdellaverson@gmail.com
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
[x] Imprisoner's Vestige
[X] An End to Misery
Wall of night --> Pearlescence stronk. Buff ourselves into not playing rocket tag anymore!
Edit: also, long term non lethal options! We can avoid killing with edeldross, but we don't really have a next step for restraint. Truly a shame for the Imprisoner...
[X] An End to Misery
Wall of night --> Pearlescence stronk. Buff ourselves into not playing rocket tag anymore!
Edit: also, long term non lethal options! We can avoid killing with edeldross, but we don't really have a next step for restraint. Truly a shame for the Imprisoner...
[X] Imprisoner's Vestige
I feel immediately drawn to this, not only does it unlock heavenly tomb, but it sounds like it might unlock our soul evocation or at least strengthen it. Also tomb has synergy with pillars and also shores up our protection and gives us a much better version of the mantle regen effect from inksky. This is combined with infinite storage and all the stuff about in-prisoning enemies. Also it is a nice aesthetic.
I feel immediately drawn to this, not only does it unlock heavenly tomb, but it sounds like it might unlock our soul evocation or at least strengthen it. Also tomb has synergy with pillars and also shores up our protection and gives us a much better version of the mantle regen effect from inksky. This is combined with infinite storage and all the stuff about in-prisoning enemies. Also it is a nice aesthetic.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
If we were willing to forfeit the singularity, we may be able to apply Philosopher's Wreath to the power of the Heavenly Tomb. Truly a painful conundrum.
@Zfglx Imprisoner's Vestige provides notable enough levels of Function overlap with Azure Moon that it gets called "The light of the soul, awakened and intensified. " when the Light of the Soul is a Soul Evocation. It's called Imprisoner's Vestige like our Soul Evocation. It's essentially Azure Moon but without the Fuinjutsu aesthetic.
@Rihaku Tally incoming if someone hasn't beaten me to it.
@Zfglx Imprisoner's Vestige provides notable enough levels of Function overlap with Azure Moon that it gets called "The light of the soul, awakened and intensified. " when the Light of the Soul is a Soul Evocation. It's called Imprisoner's Vestige like our Soul Evocation. It's essentially Azure Moon but without the Fuinjutsu aesthetic.
@Rihaku Tally incoming if someone hasn't beaten me to it.
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*spits on the ground* Your kind is not welcome here. Begone and never come back.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Consensus on discord is it's very unlikely we can use Tomb to imprison dead foes, as that would be way too cheap a way to revive people. So it wouldn't have worked on Vanrier anyway, as we had no means of subduing him that was not lethal, as his offensive power was too great to defeat any other way.
[X] His People Need Him
[X] The Ring of Power: Ring-Lord
[X] The Ring of Power: Ring-Lord
Sliver of Evening synergizes with the All-Defeating Stance. Higher baseline stat buff combined with strength scaling Ruinous Valor and counterattack-everything-with-Ruin ADS means it might even be better or beat the Assault Halo. Or maybe keep Sten alive for now then later with the Heavenly Vault strip him of his Soul Evocation. We know Evokers get stat buffs with the package so combine that with Stranglethorn to send our Might to the stratosphere and whatever exotic powers he has.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
[X] His People Need Him
[X] Star of Grace
Forging graces is impressive. Someday we may be a maiden too. I like Wall of Night, but I like the grace path more.
[X] Star of Grace
Forging graces is impressive. Someday we may be a maiden too. I like Wall of Night, but I like the grace path more.