[X] Oops, the Soup
[X] The Avenger
[X] Ruler & Vassal

It's a shame Avenger's fallen so far behind, it was competitive pre-consolidation! It's the cheapest option, shouldn't that weigh in its favor given the thread's grandiose long-term spending plans? An Evening Sky EFB to snag Trinity, the All-Defeating Stance, Ruling Ring... who's going to pay for all of that, eh? Soup + Avenger alone gives us +3 Arete relative to the alternatives. Even Nameless wasn't so spoiled that he'd turn down free Beyond Points without good reason! This isn't a marshmallow test with greater Arete rewards for Grace down the road, it's between one and none.

A significant fraction of Blade's benefits are gated behind achieving Rank 6 and thereby unlocking the ability to use all three Stances simultaneously. Otherwise we'll have to table Weapon or Guile-Defeating to make use of their new brother in arms. Rank-ups have historically performed poorly, I don't think we can assume that mere appeals to synergy and consistency will convince the thread to take them, not when voters are frozen like deer in the headlights by the shininess of the latest blurbs! We'll want to drop another 2 Arete on Honing if it's unlocked, take Bloodwraith if it ever becomes available again... as always, the cheapest and lowest-hanging synergistic fruits will nickel and dime us, preventing the thread from saving up for EFB-equivalents.

Not only does Avenger chart a middle path between Eminence's cruelty and Blade letting Sten skip off happily to an undeserved reprieve in whatever afterlife awaits, not only does it save Arete, it's also the safest option, the closest we can come here to a guarantee of victory! Don't be deceived by the opportunity to vote on the aftermath into thinking we've got the win in the bag when facing a foe this powerful. Blade has good odds, but why risk even a chance of a painful anticlimax?

A fifth of a Rank and a smattering of physical stats is also a strange choice to combine with Treachery's blitz of social attacks. Avenger may be inactive most of the time, but it slots neatly into any build (especially stats-focused ones) and doesn't require additional investments to pay off. Plus, we get to dunk on Bearic even harder, and isn't that what really matters? Should've checked his raid progression before challenging a boss with the power of Progression!

Regarding Ring disposition, regrettably we don't have the collective spine to take Subordination. The difference between 7 and 10 Arete of benefits may seem slight since it doesn't open up another tier of advancement, but they're calculated to complement our build. Not only does this potentially spare us another vote, effective Arete spent synergistically may provide multiplicative value compared to the alternatives! Surely a genius of Gisena's caliber can manage bleed-through from the Ring; she needs power to survive in even the medium term as a companion to an Apocryphal Cursebearer. Dealing with the hate could give her interesting new character traits, increasing her screen time!

But Ruler & Vassal is an acceptable compromise option that fits Hunger's character. He has a strong sense of honor, a precious trait that allows for keeping promises despite the Doom. He would've been willing to cede the Temple's treasure to the Brutes if he'd given his word. This sense of fairness and reciprocity goes both ways, however: the Azure promised its services in return for rescue. Now that Hunger the Crimson has delivered on its end of the bargain, it's time for the liberated Ring to do the same.
 
[9] Feat: Vulture
[9] With A Smile

Nine isn't hunger, he doesn't have the luxury of not taking advantage of the hands fate and the Apostle dealt him if he wants to survive, grow strong, achieve his goals. The favor of high elementalists should help a lot with that, along with being strategically beneficial for the organization he works for.

The extra rank should help with that too.
 
[X] Oops, the Soup
[X] The Blade
[X] Ruler & Vassal


Vershe amusement + 1 arete > Sad Liz
There must be consequences for your day dreams while cooking Liz!

Also there's a transformative difference between 2 Arete options and 7 Arete options, so going with Ruler. We have been told that the very same inhumanness of mind of the ring that allows it to be tortured so much more than a single man also means that picking Ruler and Vassal isn't the cruelty you'd expect it to be as it would be if it was a human. If it was then I'd shy away, but it isn't apparently.
The Ring might not be human, but Hunger is.

Cruelty towards non-humans is not justifiable simply because it's what they might expect in the wild. The right path is not right because it's easy, or because it's expected. Rings might regularly treat one another without mercy, but that's no reason to do so ourselves.

The Azure Ring is basically a puppy! Be nice to the poor puppy, let it rest.
 
I did touch on it, but it's mostly a question of whether we want to get meme'd into voting for a suboptimal option?

Oh right, another point for Avenger: we haven't seen what Sten drops yet. Do you guys really want to be out of Arete when downing the final boss?!
If we are out of arete, voters might be more willing to go for R A N K...
 
The Ring might not be human, but Hunger is.

Cruelty towards non-humans is not justifiable simply because it's what they might expect in the wild. The right path is not right because it's easy, or because it's expected. Rings might regularly treat one another without mercy, but that's no reason to do so ourselves.

The Azure Ring is basically a puppy! Be nice to the poor puppy, let it rest.
We're not being cruel to the ring though, that's what subjugation is. Ruler and Vassal is what was agreed upon between them, and better than what it would have done in our position.

Rings are not puppies, Rings are thinking rational beings that have as much agency as Hunger does.
 
It's a shame Avenger's fallen so far behind, it was competitive pre-consolidation! It's the cheapest option, shouldn't that weigh in its favor given the thread's grandiose long-term spending plans? An Evening Sky EFB to snag Trinity, the All-Defeating Stance, Ruling Ring... who's going to pay for all of that, eh? Soup + Avenger alone gives us +3 Arete relative to the alternatives. Even Nameless wasn't so spoiled that he'd turn down free Beyond Points without good reason! This isn't a marshmallow test with greater Arete rewards for Grace down the road, it's between one and none.

Indeed, Avenger's a very reasonable option that lets you S A V E and win guaranteed! What more do you really want from a fight that was in serious danger of killing you outright? Plus Arete for Sten!

Nine isn't hunger, he doesn't have the luxury of not taking advantage of the hands fate and the Apostle dealt him if he wants to survive, grow strong, achieve his goals. The favor of high elementalists should help a lot with that, along with being strategically beneficial for the organization he works for.

Dealing with High Elementalists is a tricky proposition... for they are unsubtle, and yet still quick to anger...
 
Indeed, Avenger's a very reasonable option that lets you S A V E and win guaranteed! What more do you really want from a fight that was in serious danger of killing you outright? Plus Arete for Sten!
A Clue!

Word of god Rihaku says that buying Avenger reduces the number of picks from killing Sten!

This reminder that it's a guaranteed win is enough to convince me to vote Avenger tbh. I'm curious about how much Arete we have available. Did we even earn enough to afford spending 9?

[X] Oops, the Soup
[X] The Avenger
[X] Ruler & Vassal
 
[X] Oops, the Soup
[X] The Avenger
[X] Ruler & Vassal


Switching soup and ring options, goodbye wholesomeness, A R E T E calls!

[9] Feat: Vulture
Rank is always good, regardless of circumstance, with wis or output being secondary considerations for me (wis leads to better decision making which is always good, and more damage always works wonders)

[9] With A Smile
Allies are always good, while this is very degenerate (and full of slightly worrying implications for nines disposition)
I'd rather that than a compromise option or our patron paying more attention to us.
 
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I guess saving here would potentially allow us to purchase a mage-option if Sten drops one...

[X] Oops, the Soup
[X] The Avenger
[X] Ruler & Vassal


Sorry, Zea. The dao of SAVE consumes all, even the soup...
 
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Ruby relished the last slice of earthmelon, trying to let the meal last as long as it could, even as their body practically vibrated with hunger. They took time to commit its spongy, crumbly texture, its dark, earthy taste, and its petrichor-like aroma to memory. It really was like eating dirt, but at the same time, Ruby could feel the last vestiges of nutrition percolating through their body. They had genuinely been starving themselves over this journey, and the feeling of energy returning to their body, even just a little, was like manna from heaven. Ruby had lacked the energy to truly throw themself into training...days ago, they assume, but it was hard to keep track of time in the void and even harder to do so while rapidly starving. But now, they jumped back into it. They had gained something indescribably, when they'd dissected and eaten the Gaoler Beast's eye, but it hadn't coalesced into any sort of technique or power or insight, not yet at least.

In the time between Ruby's last meal and their arrival on the Green World, that would change. With the application of effort, training, and calories, what did the Gaoler Beast's energy crystalize into?

Choose one development.

[ ] Structural Analyst - Ruby receives a semi-autonomous dream-organ. It compiles structural models, with a penchant for highlighting faultlines and failure points.
[ ] Ocular Intensification - Ruby's eyes become vastly more durable, and provide holistically improved vision, including broadened spectral scope.
[ ] First Gravity - Ruby achieves subcritical conceptual density. This allows for basic resistance to most forms of harm, among other marginal benefits.



After the agonizingly long journey there, the process of landing (or rather, crashing) their vessel goes by in a flash, especially to Ruby's hunger-addled mind. One moment, the Green World is growing from a point to circle, the next it becomes almost all-encompassing, and then the impact hits and they're too distracted by the pain to really pay attention. They don't get knocked unconscious, they're more than tough enough to handle a rough landing, but it still takes them a moment to get all their limbs and organs sorted out before they can assess the damage to their ship.

And it sure was damaged. The vessel had bounced across the ground like a stone skipped on water, stripping off its wings, propulsion, weapons, instruments, and even partially peeling open the hull itself. It was not technically beyond repair, but Ruby didn't even want to think about how long it'd take to conjure up the necessary materials from pure dreamstuff. Hopefully, there would be an easier path available somewhere in this world. For now, they needed to focus on a much more urgent need: finding something to eat.

Looking around, the area was shaded by a thick canopy, and where thin beams of light pierced through, the landscape appeared chaotic and strewn with obstacles, no level or clear ground aside from the furrows the vessel carved through the soil as it skidded. Even in those, in the brief time Ruby took to recover, the overgrowth of foliage was already beginning to retake the exposed soil. Seedlings were pushing their way up through the ground where they weren't being strangled by vines and creepers that were invading the gouged earth with visible speed. The young shoots could be edible. Listening, the world was quiet, though not silent, the sounds of jungle birds and flowing water audible in the distance. The crash had likely scared away any prey Ruby might have otherwise hunted.

Most importantly, however, was the aroma wafting down onto Ruby from above. Sweet nectar and fruit, clean and pure unlike anything in Destroyed. After their long journey, the scent of the canopy's plunder was more enticing than even the hazy memories of Ruby's life before Destroyed. It takes them hardly a moment to begin scaling the nearest tree, practically flinging themselves upwards, through many layers of tasteless branches and leaves, directly into a bounty of fruit near the very height of the tree. It was time to eat!

Choose one meal plan.

[ ] Feed. Ruby will no longer be starving, but will not be satisfied. Least risk of ambush.
[ ] Feast. Satisfying. Ruby will eat their fill. Moderate risk of ambush.
[ ] Gorge. Very satisfying. Ruby will eat until they cannot eat anymore. Most risk of ambush.

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- Uses up time you can spend investigating the corpse for possible insights

For those voting With A Smile, you are trading away the tangible benefits of insight into our opponents for the good feels of some idiot rando. Why? That's not even the Heartless choice. Heartlessness is about putting aside moral scruples for the more effective option, which Smile is not. Better to have certain gains than uncertain benefits that would require additional effort to actually obtain. Considering just how low Viktor's opinion of the Sovereignty is, there's no need to bother.

[R] First Gravity
[R] Feast

Ruby requires F O O D.
 
Feels like kind of a dick move to wait till the last moment to act and then act like a hero.

[9] Feat: Vulture
[9] With A Nod

On feedback...i feel like the chapter flew well, but maybe go a little more in-depth with 9's tought process next update? Especially depending on which option wins.

On Ruby quest, well, resistence to most forms of harm + just E A T, since Ruby's a combat-type, probably shouldn't worry too much about an ambush.

[R] First Gravity
[R] Gorge. Very satisfying. Ruby will eat until they cannot eat anymore. Most risk of ambush.

Just E A T.
 
I mean it does change what we see in an upcoming update so it's not suboptimal if you're playing to make Zea happier or if you want to read about Hunger enjoying some good soup.
Ah, but would it not be better to eat a fish off one's own line? It's a choice as tough as anything an Ordinalist faces: save the soup... or S A V E?

Anyway, why spend 7 Arete to basically swap Stances? The bulk of Blade's costs are a sidegrade, not an upgrade! It's synergistic in the long term, sure, but we're no longer in a position where we need to take Hero-Defeating as a panic button. Plus, isn't the argument Hunger makes in the option hypocritical? On a spectrum ranging from Suizhen to Baenlixnaire, he's closer to the latter.
 
[R] First Gravity
[R] Gorge

FUCKING EAT

Reading this subquest at 2am is a bad idea for it makes me super hungry.

Also.

People voting for With A Smile. I wanna know what kind of expectations there are for trying to assist the elementalist guys.

Similarly for Nod and Glance, if any picks the latter even.

And no takes for Viktor's lessons? Guy's gonna get hurt that his protege isn't taking these things to heart.
 
[9] Feat: Vulture
[9] With A Nod

Sometimes you need to play hard to get, Nines!

[R] First Gravity
[R] Feed

Sounds almost like Defensive Rank. And being a bit hungry is good motivation for staying on alert!
 
[9] Feat: Vulture
[9] With A Nod

Rank + balance -- how can I ddecline?
(Also, only an extreme sociopath would smile here 0_0)
 
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