Ngl mindbreak is a trash tier fetish... but to paraphrase Hunger? I never claimed I wasn't trash~

[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger
[X] Treachery


Seriously though this is thematic and stuff? Beating the final boss with treachery 'cause he's got god knows how many orders of magnitude on us in the age department. Taking on this DA:O reject in melee range scares me, let's do literally anything but that
 
Does provide combat capabilities through Determination Manifest, but is it as much as the two previous options? Probably not, unless picked with Calculus of Conflicts or possibly with Determination grasp. It does provide other benefits, of course.
Without calculus, definitvely a worse combat pick, even with calculus, better than grace in raw power, worse than might. On the other hand, the builds would be very different: a Might build currently would have more staying power, while Will build would have more power in small bursts. Long-term their roles actually reverse, however.
Punch good. The bonus damage to inanimate objects doesn't seem likely to be super useful. The bonus to fist damage is probably very high given that this gives up 3 Might +s compared to just picking two Might's Purview.
It's great against armors, and also great to break weapons. Fists of fury alone would have allowed Edwin to win the fight in 2 blows with little complications. It's almost like a worse power of ruin!

The mystery box option. I don't trust it.
It's mostly harmless.
Maybe.
Synergize with training, cost no picks, very large rewards and gives us 2 Majesty. Do we really want to have to deal with the consequences of an unleashed evil god if we butterflied away whatever would stop this from happening? Even if we didn't butterfly it away, whoever would stop this is a possible ally that I would like us to encounter. On the other hand, high risk and I think we all know how much I hate unnecessary risk. This might qualify as a necessary risk, though, and I think that Edwin would go for this, given what was established about his character.
Taking Crypt would definitevely cement Edwin's personality as more heroic, for good and ill. He is already like that, but he has yet to do something of such a large risk. This does also means that some paths will be locked and others will be opened, for good or ill.

In terms of builds, Werehouse is almost guaranteed to give more power than 2 picks, but if Edwin's unlucky, he might get a complication that ends up with less immediate power in the short-term. On the other hand, your build has ++++++++++++++++ combat willpower, which is incredibly hardcore.
 
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I would have preferred Headsman, but...

[X] Hero-Defeating Stance
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear
[X] Feat - Knife
[X] Age

Out of the remaining choices, I dislike Avenger for being too situational and Passion for taking too large of a risk.
 
On the other hand, your build has ++++++++++++++++ combat willpower, which is incredibly hardcore.
So you can actually pick Determination Manifest multiple times, after all? I realized after posting my vote that Determination Manifest didn't have the 0/3 that was after Might and Grace, so I thought I had made a mistake in assuming you could take it multiple times.
 
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I would have preferred Headsman, but...

[X] Hero-Defeating Stance
[X] Fierce Quickening
[X] Forebear's Blade - Echo of the Forebear
[X] Feat - Knife
[X] Age

Out of the remaining choices, I dislike Avenger for being too situational and Passion for taking too large of a risk.

Plus, think of the benefits that higher Rank could yield in improving your healing capabilities! A stronger Versch means faster travel through the Astral Realm and more picks for Hunger!
 
So you can actually pick Determination Manifest multiple times, after all? I realized after posting my vote that Determination Manifest didn't have the 0/3 that was after Might and Grace, so I thought I had made a mistake in assuming you could take it multiple times.
It can! Probably should have mentioned that it could be taken multiple times. The reason that both Might and Grace have 0/3 is because they unlock something when you pick it 3 times.(Works in a similar way to Fierce quickening)
 
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger - 7 Arete
[X] Treachery


I'm currently as invested in the fight between Sten and Hunger as I am in the one for picking/refusing Hero Defeating Stance! As always, the choice will face my utmost enmity on the battlefield, but good luck everybody and may the better vote win. :grin:
 
I think there is a way in the short-medium term to make up for a lack of ranged attack by outscaling our opponents in Agility so much it just doesn't end up mattering, though I don't know how many people would agree with this decision:

Consider taking Silver Evening instead of Pillars, and think of the sheer increase in stats we would get out of it alongside Headsman. Even a lack of ranged options would be solved by our greater mastery of Edeldross.

I think Silver of Evening has more support than you'd think!
 
Been having fun reading these quests inside quests, so i'll be fair and vote in them!

{X} Unhealing bones
{X} Determination Manifest
{X} Determination Manifest x2
{X} Calculus of Conflict
{X} More training
{X} More training x2
{X} Go see a doctor
{X}Crypt of a Forsaken God.(+2 Majesty.)


I really liked this build by formal, getting a complication which you remove immediately, and calculus of conflict being very good since more competence is always good.
Another consideration i had, was maybe pivoting the build towards more agl through grace and kicks since speed is always good
But concentrating on Edwins current focus on mental stats swayed me in the end. (competence!)

The cult situation is also a issue, with many rewards promised (if we overcome the danger)

[9] An Apostle's Burden
I've honestly never seen heartlessness as much of a issue, so this just seems like a no-brainer to me
Nine is in the end a man, and what is a man without flaws? A hero, which we are not!
(insofar as heartlessness is a flaw, depending on perspective)

The world is not composed of solid colors, rather it is shaped by many shades of gray, so this is fine right?
 
Tactics

Age

Knife, Hone or Avenger: Cut him Through before he can act. Close behind some windblades, lop something off, get out of reach, repeat til dead.
Headsman: Will have to fight our way into Cut Through range. Luckily the big increase in Ruin will punish his grab attempt more than he'll expect from the last exchange and our enhanced parry can be a counter cut high on the offending limb for good damage. Since our closing speed won't be quite as high and we won't have wind blades, close behind Eva's thrown head for distraction so he doesn't try something cleverer than melee before we start hacking.
Hate: Play keep away while Hate dissolves him. Try and retrieve our Ring if he's dropped our arm* - maybe feint going for Azure to make an opening.

Treachery
All builds: Be ready to revert to violence if it isn't working or just taking too long - we're on a time limit. Avenger, Headsman and Hate keep G-DS in place which will help knowing the moment, Knife and Hone should err on the side of violence. Running out of Ring power with Sten still in play and the immortals waking up probably kills us.
There are two possible win states here; Sten gives up or, he rampages among the immortals. The first is probably best approached with gentleness, firmness and solemnity: "This day was inevitable. Your suffering, the Ring's suffering, just let them end." etc.
The rampage might be achieved with taunts and put downs, enrage him and lead him through the other immortals as we play keep away. Obviously we include plenty about what useless bags of shit the immortals are but it's OK if he's mad at us so long as his focus goes away as his mental state deteriorates. Especially if we've taken an agility build they should be easier targets. The rampage state of mind should be the easier state to push since he's already fighting, we've stung him and killed the only person he respects.

* @Rihaku is he still holding our arm?
 
Mathing things out a bit. If we got Philosopher's Wreath after Silver of Evening, then as we are now, our Edeldross enhancements become 60% Baseline and 90% for advanced enhancement.

We would have 5 intelligence, so the baseline effectiveness of Philosopher's Wreath training becomes 500 percent.

(Basic Enhancement)5*1.6 = 8, so an 800 percent training effectiveness boost with our returns being doubled initially.
(Advanced Enhancement)5*1.9 = 9.5 so a 950 percent training effectiveness boost with our returns being doubled.

800 to 950 percent, it's almost as good a foundation for the Singularity as All-Defeating Stance which would have us start at 10 intelligence. Possibly even better depending on how the edeldross magnitude boosts play out with magnitude increases compared to having a higher base intelligence.

And then there's Charisma. If we got PW after Silver of Evening, we'd be getting 2 Charisma and 2 protection out of it, which using our current state as reference, means our baseline Charisma would be 13.

(Basic Enhancement)13*1.6 = 20.8
(Advanced Enhancement)13*1.9 = 24.7

We'd become charismatic enough to essentially be an uber cognitohazard, equaling or exceeding Gisena I bet unless she gets Renaissance Woman.

Edit: and this isn't even taking into account the all-stats magnitude boosts we'd be getting from training.
 
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Arete debt is the enemy!

One day there will be stories told about Hunger and his swift and overwhelming victory against the Immortal Council. Not sure whether those stories will be good or bad (probably both), but whether we stay to help them or not, our presence will not go unremarked. It took something like a week? To stage an uprising and overturn a millennia-old civilization. Mind, it's not like most other people we've convinced to turn to our side were useful for anything other than being distractions and evacuating people, but that's just how Hunger rolls.

The Marshal slain, Hunger pressed his blade against the dull blue surface of the Inner Ring itself. The substance of the barrier was heavy but ductile, like hyperdense rubber, and resisted the force of his cut, even regrowing parts sheared away. With one leg he anchored himself against the dome and began to saw away in earnest, the blue of his blade-edge and the power of Ruin slowly eroding its resistance.
Now this looks mighty strange. Didn't think anything about it at first, but... don't we have Cut Through? What business does a magic wall have resisting our Cut? Would density really matter to a perfect attack? So I'm left wondering whether the membrane is produced directly by the Azure Ring and thus has higher conceptual potency than anything else we've Cut so far. Man, if that's the case we're really lucky they didn't know how to wield a defense like this against Hunger. Cut Through is one of our greatest advantages, having it countered would have majorly sucked.

...wait. If we hadn't taken Cut Through, would we have been incapable of forcibly entering the Inner Temple in the first place? Oh man, that would have been rich. We would have probably found another way in, but seeing Hunger's face after trying and failing would have been hilarious.

Of course it's entirely possible Hunger simply isn't trying here (wouldn't know why) or there are strange interactions that let an effect of lower conceptual potency resist Cut Through for a bit. Or maybe it's some kind of dimensional membrane and Hunger is Cutting world boundaries here, in which case go Cut Through!

Where the unveiled Inner Ring met the outside world, a howling torrent of air rushed free, heat and fury as to hurl a normal man from the opening entirely.

With his superhuman constitution Hunger was barely bothered. It did not appear to be a specific defense mechanism, merely the property of some disequilibrium between the Inner and Middle Rings.
Strange that they have no defense mechanisms at all, as one would expect a society with such heavy segregation between what amounts to castes. Weren't they worried about rebellion at all? There's a significant disparity in power between the Middle and Inner Temple, but they couldn't possibly believe nothing could threaten them. What if an Armament pilot appeared and decided to make a grab for the Ring? Hmm, perhaps they thought that anything that got so far would likely need personal intervention and decided not to waste time on passive defenses.

At last a man-sized passage was carved open, and he quickly leapt through, the wound in the barrier sealing shut behind him. Inside it was day, the sky within nearly the opposite of the star-shrouded night he had walked in under. Hunger blinked away the glare of their false sun and took in his surroundings. This was a vast and orderly space, countless rows of precision-crafted towers marching to the horizon, their walls inset with runes, interiors aglow with faint blue light. Shops and residences, offices and farms, all were contained within the neatly-arranged structure of this city-spanning grid.
Someone had already posed the question of what exactly this false sun is and where it comes from. I think it's also part of the interior space of the Azure Ring, same as the stars they had been watching with their astronomical arrays. Still no real idea why day and night would be inverted with the outside, but it's not like that would be difficult to set up in a separate dimension.

The runes remind of Verschlengorge's Foremost runes, but that might be just because of the blue color. Hunger didn't start waxing poetic about the color of the winter sky, so probably just a coincidence. I mean, the Templars are good, but they're not that good, they still have a long ways to go before they even begin to compare with the Foremost. Though I wonder whether the Rings existed in the time of the Foremost and what they thought about the Artifacts of Ages in that case. I don't think so, because Verschlengorge hadn't reacted to Hunger's Ring, but who knows?

He took off, moving at a pace invisible to the human eye, headed directly for the Temple's center. The power of his Ring had absorbed some measure of the old marshal's fearsome grit, amplifying the force of Hunger's presence alongside the power of his form. The bow-wave of his commands left the common citizens thunderstruck, helpless but to answer his questions despite the obvious intent.
I don't think gramps was that charismatic, but perhaps that's just what we saw through Hunger's lens. Though perhaps I'm uncharitable due to him being such a stubborn ass, he was a well-known and experienced commander, plus he had that Administration Soul Evocation to boot, which presumably also amplified that aspect of him.

Oh well, we see supernatural Charisma at work, now up against normies. Using it against them after Vigor Incarnate feels a bit like overkill, doesn't it? There's no real distinction between Charisma of this level and mind control with such a disparity in play. It's good for fame gain though, and that's something we're going to need going forward, both for safer Rank growth and to make our conquest task easier. Thinking about it, Cha is an area few will be able to contest us in in the Human Sphere. Armaments may have far superior Rank, but in the end they're giant robots. Unless something really weird happens, they're not going to challenge us during during elections.

...

Verschlengorge: That's what you think.
Verschlengorge: Now hold my beer and watch, scrub.

And then Verschlengorge was president and led humanity towards the shining tomorrow. I think we may have discovered that the hidden boss was at our side all along!

It became clear that the Immortals maintained at least a half-strength guard of the "Treasure" at all times. If they were each substantially above the Marshal he'd slain, then a direct assault would be unfeasible. However, Inner Ring society as a whole was in disarray following the Call's cessation - star-forges across the Temple had to be re-calibrated by a small army of engineers, while investigators dashed frantically about, futily attempting to ascertain the cause behind their "Treasure's" drastic shift in attitude. As for the military forces the Inner Temple, who were divided unequally among the Noble Houses, many were halfway to each other's throats among the chaos and uncertainty. It was every House for itself until the dust settled, but Hunger's arrival presaged a storm.
Typo: futily -> futilely

Thinking about it, if Evangeline hadn't been there and Sten had still been his former self, just Cutting towards the Temple could have been a successful strategy. A bit risky, but we have those anti-divination defenses, so they might not have reacted quickly enough. It wouldn't have had quite the dramatic oomph of the final confrontation we ended up dealing with, but sometimes taking it easy is a fine choice too. Which is kind of ironic, considering that making an immediate attack on the Temple had looked like the hardcore choice. Short-term vs long-term risks, I guess?

We've found ourselves in a good position to subvert them though. I mean, I'd hoped that there would be enough internal contradictions for Hunger to drive a wedge between the Houses and find some useful allies, but it feels like they'd been on the verge of civil war even before we arrived. Which is... hmm, I hadn't thought deeply about it in this context, but such a stratified society would create a lot of internal pressure, wouldn't it? There were the Immortals at the top, the Councilors slightly below them, the Noble Houses... and the rest? Only the military might of the Immortals and the Azure Ring benefits must have held this 'society' together, but as soon as Hunger arrived, things changed.

He moved to harvest what power he could from worthy opponents before he challenged the Immortals. Perhaps along the way he would find some allies of opportunity by exploiting the fault lines in their society; surely there were factions disgruntled by the absolute rule of the current leadership?
I'm curious, did we just randomly attack strong-looking people, or did they really dare block Hunger's way? Huh, he must look like a Ranklet to the outside eye, so maybe that's not as unlikely as I thought. Our Rank only really represents a fraction of our martial might, but it's not like people would be able to realize our ability to Cut Through and Flare's enhancement at a glance. They should have still been wary due to our increased speed and strength, but maybe they thought we were a simple brute.

Ideally he could defeat the Immortals in detail while half were still scattered, then bait the Ring's remaining guardians into splitting their forces before he executed the decisive strike. Gisena's presence would be critical in suppressing the presumably mighty Soul Evocations of the Immortals themselves, so he had several hours still to ply his deadly trade.
Defeating some of the Immortals individually would have been nice, sadly that dice roll hadn't panned out. They were at least smart enough to gather when the danger became clear!

And Gisena is a really anti-mage button, isn't she? It's really incredible she had been in position to be captured by Jotarun instead of being protected by a group of Fourth Coalescence Sorceresses like a perfect anti-elf weapon is supposed to be. But it was a war for survival, so I suppose I can't judge.

The Houses of the Nobility were obvious to the naked eye, each an artistic masterpiece, frequently of towering scale, their grandeur unbound by the strict orderly lines that contained the common folk. Opulent gardens, personal lakes, or even snow-dusted cliffs surrounded their sprawling estates, within which sheltered mighty families with Marshals and High Marshals in their collective employ. Presented with such obvious targets, Hunger could not help but feast. Before he attacked he offered his terms: submit to his dominion and accept the Imprisoned Ring's departure, or be destroyed.
And all that opulence is going to disappear on the winds of Hunger's carnage, what a tragedy! We'd paid 8 Elixirbucks for much lesser luxuries, wouldn't this place have been an even better destination for a relaxing vacation? We would have to clear out the inhabitants first, but we were going to do that anyway. Too bad Hunger has his eyes on the prize and only thinks about rescuing the Ring.

I don't really regret all this for some reason. Is this yet another example of protagonist-centered morality? I'm pretty sure that I would be on the side of the Moon Civilization were such a thing to occur in real life and I had to decide between one Ring and the prosperity of a nation. Yet I feel like Hunger is firmly in the right here too, saving the Azure Ring from eternal torture? What a paradoxical thought.

How must it have looked to the Noble Houses though? Some rando shows up and say that they either submit and give up the Ring or die? Some had probably laughed in this presumptuous pretender's face. They likely hadn't survived for long after doing that, but it's a natural reaction to something so ridiculous, so Hunger must have shown off a bit to back up his position.

To his surprise, a few marginalized Houses - including one of substantial influence - actually agreed to raise the banner of rebellion alongside him. The others he put to the sword; surrendering civilians spared and remanded to the custody of his allies. Things went swimmingly, Hunger himself constantly one step ahead of the Inner Temple's Marshals; he reaped a healthy bounty from House security forces and counter-ambushed the Marshals when he was finished. Unfortunately the Immortals had some swifter form of communication and withdrew quickly from the outlying estates, concentrated within the Innermost Temple where they could not be picked off piecemeal.
Yeah, too bad about the Immortals, they've got some amazing survival instincts for people who hadn't had to worry about threats to their life for a very long time.

That 97 roll really smoothed things over, didn't it? Not just giving us the much-needed power but also meaning that the Noble Houses weren't as much of a problem as they could have been. The Marshals and High Marshals likely wouldn't have been a real threat, but much as they would serve as an important distraction against the Immortals later, they could have made our life much more difficult if there were survivors of our rampage who could have sided with the Immortals. Now they're either dead or on our side, and Guile-Defeating Stance means we would see any betrayal coming long before it could come to fruition. Well, unless it was something really spontaneous. That's a possibility too if we hire someone strong with very fickle loyalties, so I guess it's something to look out for.

Larissa Alynne was by far the most influential of the nobles that now sheltered under his banner; her House was primarily motivated by their hatred of the current ruling faction, but she herself had taken to the cause with nearly unseemly valor.
There will always be people marginalized by the ruling faction, the Amarlts were only one example of it happening here. By the way, we still don't know what Vanreir's father had done to deserve exile! And we're in the perfect position to find out, assuming Hunger bothers to look up Vanreir's backstory. Of course, that way lies Erii and guilt-inducing accusations, but given Hunger's history and how relaxed he was about murdering his way through the Inner Temple, I don't think he would have been affected much. Now if we'd taken Inheritor, thus gaining a personal connection to her, things might have looked different. That part about 'containing multitudes' is such a curious plot thread too... will we ever have time to follow every breadcrumb trail left by Rihaku?

Among mortals she might have been considered beautiful, with rich black locks framing a heart-shaped face, but even her striking eyes of emerald green seemed utterly pedestrian compared to Gisena's own. Longtime exposure to the Sorceress' superhuman beauty had utterly inured him against the mundane.
With some time and word count to create distance from her first impression... Larissa is still supremely annoying. But now I almost feel sorry for her. It's funny talking about what a hopeless case this puppy love is and how she would lose to Gisena at the starting line, but her case is also kind of pitiful.

Don't have that much sympathy with someone who is likely mainly attracted to Hunger's supernal charisma, but just because her love is superficial doesn't mean the feelings aren't real. If it wasn't for Progression, I would be worried about scorning a woman we'll likely leave in charge of the Moon Civilization remnants. As is, she's going to be consigned to irrelevancy fairly quickly, with her highest career prospects involving a future as a Redfort. Who knows, perhaps she'll even attain a fraction of Gisena's beauty after being made into a Dúnedain.

Undeterred, Larissa pressed against him as they surveyed a map of the situation, her eyes wide and doting.
Ugh, I think this part cemented my dislike for her more than anything else. Personal space, woman! At least Gisena had the excuse of needing to be carried when she started invading it, but this must be seriously getting on Hunger's nerves.

...Or maybe he doesn't mind a shapely woman pressing herself against him? I won't judge. She may not be as beautiful as Gisena, but she ain't ugly either. :p

Hunger grimaced. This particular noblewoman had been won over by his superhuman presence; her assistance was invaluable, but her advances unfortunate. It gave him no pleasure to take advantage of an unrequited infatuation for logistical aid, especially when he'd lectured Letrizia for similar acts in the Sovereignty. Still, the lives of over nine million relative innocents were on the line. He knew well that the the Imprisoned Ring cared not one whit for the welfare of its torturers, but Hunger the man could hardly allow those merely born into this society to die preventable deaths.
This part really made me sigh in relief. Before this Hunger had been so gung-ho about saving the Ring and hardly ever mentioned what he would do about all the people that would suffer in the aftermath. I mean, it's not a black and white thing where saving them is unquestionably right, because as questers mentioned, effectively feeding on orphan screams is kind of out there. But it's nice to see that there's a Hero who wants to do the right thing with as few casualties as possible in there.

Most of these people probably didn't even know any details about the Ring's condition, so I don't think they really deserve death. How much further help they deserve is a different question, of course. I was pretty enthusiastic about mass-Ennobling them, but thinking about it, did they really do anything to deserve this level of investment from Hunger? By all rights he could just do the bare minimum necessary to keep them somewhat safe and just bail out, and his conscience wouldn't really suffer.

One could posit that he'd robbed them of their extended life, but they were stealing that from the Azure Ring in the first place, and it's not like they had some inherent right to living for a millennium. Now if he could make use of a nation that he has suddenly found himself in charge of... but we're kind of strapped for time, so we'll have to see how things play out.

"When I remove the Ring, the Dimensional Rift that contains the Inner Temple will destabilize," he said gruffly, detaching his arm from Larissa's grasp. "Before that happens, your forces need to evacuate as many of the civilians as is practical. We have a few hours still before my allies get here. That should be more than enough time for your mightier Soul Evokers to open the way. Organize a steady but efficient evacuation leveraging the superhuman abilities of your troops, and we should be able to extract the vast majority of non-combatants before hostilities begin."
That's what we paid picks and abandoned Fairbright for, so she she better save the populace. Still resent her for that a bit and think that we could have achieved that goal in another way, but this is fine too. At least now we don't have to worry about injuring any civilians as we sally against the Immortals in the Temple Heart.

"Of course, dear, it's well within the power of my House," Larissa said, batting her eyelashes at him. "But I'm more concerned for your personal safety! Those tedious Immortals could gang up on you while my personal Marshals are deployed afield."
Speaking of Immortals, this attitude strikes me as somewhat strange, coming from someone who had been living under their yoke all her life. Had that been that hands-off with their policies that she doesn't fear them, calling them tedious? Or maybe she's just putting up a brave front and showing off in front of the love of her life.

"Unlikely," he shook his head. "They don't have a good grasp of my capabilities and overall power, knowing only that I've slain every foe presented so far. If they move out in force, it's possible I could evade their net and strike at the Ring directly. Thus they must maintain the majority of their strength at the Ring itself. From what you've told me, many of the Immortals dislike one another. None will be eager to volunteer for an expeditionary force against an enemy of unknown strength - not while their rivals stay behind in relative safety.."
We'd been really uncertain about the Immortals and how much of a threat they are, but we also often forget that a lack of information is a two-way street. Especially with our divinatiors-killing defenses we possess quite an advantage here. Looking back on that once choice of vacation target, I regret not taking that Wandering Mage Oracle a tiny bit. Having a divinator on hand when our enemies can only try to predict us indirectly. And Gisena may possess some level of personal defenses against such things, though likely they're not infallible going by what we know about that one Oracle Sorceress that had predicted Jotarun's victory in AST 1.0.

And of course there's infighting even among the Immortals, I don't think anyone had expected differently. Staying together for centuries or even millennia would bring out everyone's flaws in stark contrast and make even the best of friends difficult to tolerate. Unless they change with the times, but these guys seem pretty stagnant.

"Hm..." Larissa pursed her lips. "You truly are a masterful strategist, my lord. Now more than ever I believe our victory is inevitable! If you'd like to draw out a fraction of their forces, however, I have a suggestion. You'd do well to strike at what they care most."

She laid a ruby-painted fingernail against one spot on the map. "House Verachen. Home to the extended families of two Immortals. There's not enough space in the Innermost Temple for their clans to accompany them. We could seize their precious grandchildren and great-grandchildren and hold them hostage to provoke a response."
Kind of a low blow and highly unlikely to work on these cowards, IMO, but to tell the truth, I didn't have much of a reaction when reading her suggestion, - she's a decadent noble whose House had survived despite having been marginalized, of course she'd say this, - and seriously wondered if Hunger was going to accept it for a moment. One wouldn't think so given his backstory, but Hunger is highly pragmatic and wouldn't dismiss an option just because it would hurt his conscience.

He closed his eyes. On the one hand, emotional anguish of this magnitude was trivial compared to the aeons-long hollowing that the Imprisoned Ring had been subjected to. Were it absolutely necessary, perhaps he might consider a bluff in that vein, but to actually carry out such a sentence was abhorrent. The Tyrant at times had forced him into such compromises, but the power of Progression had allowed him to rise above measures like that.

There were those who said that power corrupted. They were not wrong, but the obverse face of that saying simply went unobserved: sufficient power, impunity, could also prevent corruption. Strength enough not to rely on unsavory means was the freedom to do 'that which feels right' instead of always 'that which was optimal.'
But yeah, Hunger is luckily in a position where he can decide not to deploy such measures without hurting his chances significantly. I'm a bit thankful the decision wasn't left up to the voters, because we sometimes tend to be on the safe side and sacrifice morality for lesser % chances of death. When we aren't pursuing suicidal goals, of course.

Interesting backstory there. I'd guessed there were some less than savory elements of Hunger's history after he told us how he'd learned cunning from the Tyrant, but my mind hadn't jumped to kidnapping children for some reason. Can't really say it changes my opinion of him, since he didn't have Progression back then and thus had a dearth of options when it came to fighting the Tyrant.

"That won't be necessary," he finally replied. "We'll take the Inner Ring in its entirely and encircle them conventionally. If they try to break out, the forces guarding the Ring will be depleted. Continue the evacuation. Once my companions arrive, we'll mount a direct assault with the entirety of your forces as well as all our allied Houses."
So we basically trap them. On the one hand it leaves us with great tactical flexibility and lets us pressure them, but on the other hand there is that saying about cornered rats...

"As you wish, my lord," Larissa demurred, lowering her eyes. "Your heart is truly too noble for such tactics. I feel embarrassed even to have suggested them; it was a slight against your power. Forgive me my overzealous support. I wish only for you to prevail, regardless of the cost!"
How does she manage to be so aggravating even when praising Hunger?! It's the same things I just admired him for, but the way she said it makes me feel dirty now.

Hunger cleared his throat. "Fine. Keep in mind that I won't countenance such means going forward. How goes the diplomatic front? Have our overtures to the reluctant Houses landed at all?"
Will Hunger's admonishment really matter to her once he throws Larissa away like a used rag? She might just double down on such measures out of spite in the future, not that it will be our problem.

"Very much so, my lord!" Larissa said happily. "You needn't worry, I'll keep those foul harridans and dirty old men far from your august presence. After witnessing your power, more and more are beginning to fall in line. They understand that times are changing and that the nobility must change with them. At this point only the Core Houses are still recalcitrant. We're unlikely break them until the Immortals fall. Worry not, our allied forces will be more than sufficient the evacuate the great majority of the Inner Ring before sundown - or sunrise, I suppose, in the world Outside. I'm ever so excited to witness it with you!"
And now they fall like dominoes. It's a shame we didn't have time to bring the Core Noble Houses to heel, because I think reaping their group of High Marshals would have increased our chances against the Immortals even more, but as liches often say, time burns. Apocrypha is on the horizon and we can't afford to dither.

Would have liked to see some other people from Noble Houses though. Maybe they would have made a better impression than Miss Hearts-For-Eyes? Unlikely, I know, but hope dies last.

"Survival is one matter. But those who would accompany me must earn their place."

"Oh, of course! House Alynne will do its utmost to be deserving of that honor!"
Hmm, now that sounds like Hunger really intends to reward some of them with Ennobling rather than simply abandoning them once he's finished. It's possible he's lying of course, since this will likely be up to a vote.

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[X] Larissa + Weapon-Defeating Stance has won.

With Alynne's assistance, civilians should be mostly evacuated by the time Gisena arrives. In that event, what will be the offensive strategy?

[ ] Scorched Earth - The Ultimate Emanation of a High Sorceress represents a power of Nullity far beyond even what Gisena demonstrated against the Groundskeeper. By shrouding himself in a comprehensive shell of Edeldross, Hunger can retain the majority of his powers in the wake of such an attack, though the Evening Sky will likely be fully depleted as well. Still, his enemies will likely be in no state to resist him for a few crucial instants, allowing him to cut down a substantial fraction of their number while they are relegated to mortality. Whether it will be enough to rescue the Ring is another matter. [+1 Arete]

*A highly effective strategy; all you need to do is get Gisena safely into position while Hunger is shielded, Aeira can very much assist with the former.
*There may be Immortals with non-supernatural speed and strength, though it seems unlikely that such would be remotely capable of matching Hunger's magical augmentations.
*Of greater concern is those Immortals who might possess some level of defense against the Nullity itself, though they will likely experience at least a partial severing of their capabilities given Gisena's new power.
*Knocks Gisena unconscious and weakens her for several days following. Could be risky in the medium-term with the Apocryphal Curse spinning up again.
*Accelerates the rate of dimensional collapse. May further weaken the Imprisoned Ring, setting back the potential benefits it can grant its Ringbearer.

[ ] Full Frontal - A conventional frontal attack with Hunger, Gisena, and the allied forces. A challenging fight to be certain, though a clean victory here means an uncomplicated aftermath with a liberated Ring. Hunger will focus their combined efforts on the weakest Immortal first and try to slay his way up the ladder, while allied forces attempt to distract the Immortals and prevent them from bringing their combined might to bear against Hunger himself. Given that they are encircled and pinned to the Ring's location, this is more practical than it would usually be; even a Marshal can seize a wholly unguarded Ring. [+1 pick]

*A decently effective strategy, though with lower win% than Scorched Earth
*Even if defeated, death is not always the outcome. Retreat is possible given your control of the territory.
*Face your enemies head-on and overcome them with the sheer might of your Cut and the broken power of Nullity.
*If successful, prepares you well for the Apocryphal Curse.

[ ] A Thousand Cuts - A Ring of Power is nigh-indestructible. All the infrastructure around it, and its guardians themselves - not so. Bleed them by darting into range, hurling a full-strength blade wind into the Innermost Temple, then swiftly darting out of range. From your intelligence reports, the number of Immortals capable of countering this strategy can be numbered on the fingers of a single hand, whereas you can attack from any angle. Slowly whittle down their fortifications while consolidating power in the meantime. You'll have plenty of downtime to work on developing additional psuedo-Graces to increase your power, and if they actually sally then their forces will be divided and can be defeated piecemeal. [-2 Arete]

*Very high native chance of success, but...
*Very slow. May verge into Apocryphal Curse reactivation territory, which can complicate matters.
*Arete penalty for taking unnecessarily long to rescue the Imprisoned Ring
*May get the chance to develop a psuedo-Grace or work on Praxis in downtime.
*Slow pace means all civilians can be evacuated without fuss, though food supplies and general discontent may become an issue.
*Possibility of forcing the enemies to surrender, allowing for a diplomatic solution.
Looking back, Scorched Earth turned out to be a pretty successful tactic, but I wonder how the others would have turned out now that we know about Sten? A Thousand Cuts should have drawn him out fairly soon, which would have made for some interesting votes. Full Frontal against undiminished Immortals and most importantly a not weakened Sten though... yeah.
 
I forgot about Uttermost when I was calculating the Charisma boosts with Silver of Evening+Philosopher's Wreath

Basic: 13*1.3 = 16.9
Advanced:13*1.6 = 20.8

So slightly less ridiculous.
 
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The last few hours had been a whirl of activity; they'd consolidated control over a full nine-tenths of the Inner Ring, with many of the last holdouts falling to his direct assault, The activity had reminded him of his Geas task and the vast swathe of time it portended: fifty years to rule, twenty-five hundred years the limit, and that vast span less than an eyeblink compared to the full scope of the Geas itself, nine hundred thirty-seven octillion years of service. He'd been shaken from his contemplations by the arrival of Aeira and Gisena herself, the latter at last complete with her meditations.
Yeah, the timespans involved in the geas are truly enormous. Twenty five hundred years is the time that separates us from the battle of Thermopylae, if one were to fail to complete the task during the available span of time and die at the end of it, he would still have lived far longer than any human could normally hope to. What then of the 937 octillion years that is the duration of the Geas? There is no possible point of comparison for such an interval of time, our entire universe is merely 13.8 billion years old! And given how fast Progression-types grow in power and that this rate of growth only accelerates, thanks to the Infinite Singularity Husk… How strong will Hunger be in 2500 years? What about in a million? In a billion? When his servitude to the Geas ends at long last? And still, the Accursed will still lie far above even that...
Her evolution into self-proclaimed 'High Sorceress' had certainly augmented her powers; there was a nearly-tangible current of findross in her wake, a shimmering presence of something greater than mortal life. There was a capricious yet graceful quality to even her slightest movements, her beauty now almost cruelly captivating, every feature unbearably shapely and clear. Her sparkling green eyes caught him and she winked, daintily skipping over as the troops of House Alynne watched.
This is nothing, imagine what would it have been like if we had picked Renaissance Woman!
"Hey hun, did you miss me?" She asked sweetly, arms behind her back.

He frowned. "Stop showing off, we've got a Ring to save. Is that going to be permanent?" He nodded towards her aura of findross.

"Aww," Gisena pouted, extending her arms and twirling around. "Can't a girl celebrate just a little? I haven't had a makeover in ages! We've been traveling in such grueling conditions, too. And you needn't worry about the aura, it's just a side effect of my transformation! Should go away in a couple hours."
A makeover… This is way more than a mere makeover, Gisena!
"Yes yes, you're the fairest of them all," he said dryly, forcing himself not to be distracted by her now-transfixing exquisiteness. He had parlayed with Lords and Ladies of the Fae that were nearly as beautiful, though that had been at the apex of his former might.
We learn a bit more about Hunger's second world! He had already compared Gisena to the faes when he first met her, but now she's apparently above even their greatest member, at least in appearance.
"Good, praise me more," Gisena said happily, coming around to take his arm. "So hun, what's the plan? Have you met any of the big, bad, Immortals mentioned in Aeira's papers?"


"No," he shook his head, "You're going to deal with them for me."

"Hm? I've just shown up and I get handed all the work?"


"That's right. It's the reward for a job well-done."

Gisena giggled. "Then I suppose I can't complain. I did ask you to praise me more!"

Good thing we have her by our side, we really wouldn't have wanted to fight all the immortals at full power, that would have been a nightmare...
Aeira was apparently too flustered to say anything to either of them, taking instruction quietly and acknowledging their directions with a shaky nod. With the Immortals entrenched in the tiny Innermost Temple, Hunger would wrap himself in a shell of dense edeldross and transport Gisena to one of the outlying buildings on the border of the Innermost. From there she would unleash her Ultimate Nullity, the "Plan B" that had wiped all wonder and magic from the world. With her powers recently enhanced, the radius of effect would be more than enough to cover the Innermost Temple - and a good fraction of the Inner as well. No Immortal would escape the effect.
No Immortal would escape the effect, uh… No plan survives contact with the enemy, indeed! Though it did, at least, shut down Sten and Eva Soul's Evocation along with all the rest of the Immortals, so it was certainly better than nothing!
He expected to lose the Evening Sky temporarily, even with his maximal edeldross output, but the Immortals should suffer far more greatly than he. Aeira would cloak them in shadow before they went; none expected her Element to overcome the perspicacity of the highest Immortals, but every bit could help.
A solid plan on paper and it was actually very helpful even if it didn't resolve everything.
Initially all went as planned, his edeldross cocoon and the cloak of Evening below both withering before Gisena's onslaught, but leaving his body untouched. With not a moment to waste, he sped towards the Innermost at forty times the speed of sound, a lightning blur springing unimpeded towards the final prison of the Ring.
Forty times the speed of sound… Reminder that before his deal with the Accursed, not so long ago, Hunger was barely stronger than an average soldier!
At last it came into view, the charge he'd pursued with unswerving determination these past weeks: caught, in artful symmetry of the Temple itself, within the pale ivory fingers of a precisely-manufactured vise, each point of contact alight with crackling agony, spilling siphoned power in thunderous bolts.
We're coming for you Azure ring, we're going to save you! If we don't die, that is...
Surprisingly, two Immortals still stood, their powers undepleted by Gisena's attack. One man and one woman standing unfortunately close to the Ring. The man was dressed in plain tunic and pants with rainbow wisps fading about him, while the woman was clad in more conventional plate, bearing a broadsword whose steel flashed clarion blue. If Larissa's description was correct, these were Evangeline Worldkeeper and Quiet Sten, two of the mightiest Immortals, though she hadn't expected either to withstand the bomb of Gisena's Nullity unscathed.
The two Immortals that represent an actual challenge, at this point. Brain and brawn, though Sten isn't really stupid. His mind is disintegrating though, something we might be able to take advantage of.
Without hesitation they leapt at him, swiftness nearly the equal of his own. The man hunched forward like a dog taught to kill, his limbs colossal, barrel-like arms near twice the width of Hunger's own. He was a broad bear of a man, though he stood only half a head taller, nowhere near the old marshal's stature who had confronted him at the boundary of the Inner Temple. The woman tacked to the side, sword held defensively, examining Hunger's figure with a critical eye. Buoyed by the imminent prospect of its kin's rescue, his Ring flared crimson, and he felt their blood falter and tremble before him. Let it be enough.
Yes, let it be enough. Let's not die here and make it all be in vain.
He feinted at the man, committing hard to an attack on the breastbone; then switched last-minute to half-sword, shifting the angle of his strike down towards the man's groin. His opponent reacted with admirable speed, stepping sideways to avoid the cut, but Hunger released his Blade with his left hand and punched him in the face. The Power of Ruin infused in his strike left a crater of splintering skin and bone, but Hunger's own fist rebounded harshly, bones shattered by the terrible sharp tenacity of his opponent's flesh. It was like punching a cliff crag of pure adamant; and though his foe seemed equally surprised that the Ringbearer had hurt him, Hunger fell back, jaw gritted in frustration.
Distract him with your sword and then punch him in the face! It seems like an absurd tactics but you know what they say, if it's stupid but it works then it isn't stupid. I mean, it only sort of worked given that Hunger still shattered his hand in the process but it's probably still a win on the balance. That said, what is this guy's face made of that Hunger, with his 45 strength, shatters his hand upon it?
He knew his time was limited. It would not take long for the other Immortals to recover their powers as the Groundskeeper had. He had to finish these two great threats and steal their strength before then.
Imagine if we had to fight them at full power along with the rest of the Immortals...
Only brief instants to think as his hand healed. Neither opponent had used their Soul Evocation; Gisena's attack had at least disabled that. He might be wrong but he was doomed anyway if that were the case.
Do you all remember the time when we had %heath, which would diminish after each combat and would take a long time to recover? Now we can just shatter our hand and have it healed in instants! Progression is truly incredible...
Going for the Ring was too risky while it was flanked by both defenders. They clearly wanted him to duel Quiet Sten, so it was best to take out Evangeline first. The Forebear's technique had not failed him yet; he could only hope it would suffice to cut through these final guardians. But best not to rely on uncertainties when possible. He leapt backwards again, blade lashing out to send sword-winds screaming across the bare chamber of the Innermost. In all directions they curved and hummed; impossible for a foe of equivalent speed to intercept them all. The intent was clear: at least one enemy would have to close the distance or be worn down at range.
If your enemy wants you to do one thing, then do the reverse! We almost failed to heed that principle in the last vote and it apparently would have cost us. Also, "best not to rely on uncertainties when possible"... I think a lot of the voters would greatly benefit from heeding that advice...
Evangeline clicked her tongue. Quiet Sten spread wide his arms and charged into the mass of the blade projections, the swarm scoring his torso but failing to deal more than superficial damage. Evangeline leapt back and parried with her blade, each sword-wind carving a tiny but perceptible nick into that clarion saber. A single stroke made it past her guard and slipped beneath her armor, carving a broad deep line through her lower torso.
Yeah, Eva is a lot easier to kill than Sten… Good thing we decided to focus on her first!
And then Stenallon was upon him, blotting out all sight, hands crooked like claws as he descended like a falling sun. Hunger blasted the ground with edeldross, hurling himself back and away, bouncing off the curved chamber wall to spring towards Evangeline. Sten bellowed in rage, leaping with thunderous strength straight upwards to intercept him.
It's easy to forget that Edeldross isn't just useful for buffing ourselves, it's also good for mobility!
Shit. The man was so strong that even a slight twitch of his foot sufficed to propel him at awesome speed. He'd waited until Hunger was midair to spring his trap.
A clear demonstration that Sten, though less smart than Eva, is certainly no idiot.
No time for fancy work. Hunger struck one-handed with the Forebear's Blade directly at Sten's center of mass. Swiping with a single paw, Sten tore Hunger's arm off at the elbow, and reached out with his other hand to trap him within a crushing grapple.
Ouch. We just got back our second arm! Also, don't let yourself be grappled by Sten, Hunger! That would not end well...
As expected. Hunger recalled the falling Forebear's Blade towards his left hand, summoning it point-first into Sten's right kidney. With the same gesture he conjured a last-ditch wall of edeldross: far from enough to withstand the charge but sufficient to break Sten's momentum. The grapple fell short and Hunger recalled his Blade again, driving and twisting it in Sten's obdurate flesh as the weapon sought its master.
More use of Edeldross and we use a similar trick to the one we used against Elizabeth. Good thing we avoided that grapple, that would probably have been game over.
Evangeline had by this point recovered some portion of her Soul Evocation; she pointed at Hunger and bright bolts of gold issued forth from her finger to strike at him. Where they touched, they seared and boiled his flesh, scouring down to the bone. But that bone remained untouched, and free of Sten's reach Hunger fired another burst of edeldross, propelling him like a missile into Evangeline. She hopped back, dodging the impact crater, but the Ring of Blood brought him unnatural resilience. Recovering in an eyeblink he simply leapt forward, jamming the razor-sharp shard of his amputated elbow into her chest wound. Hobbled by that same wound, Evangeline could not dodge, choosing instead to skewer him on her brilliant flashing blade; the metal parted Hunger's flesh easily, punching clean through his shoulder, but force of that magnitude could hardly stop him now. Finally in knife-range he slammed his forehead into hers, shattering her face; sent reeling, she did not see the Forebear's Blade tear itself free of Sten and leap contentedly into Hunger's left hand.
That's a lot of damage we're taking… But if it can take down Evangeline it will have been worth it.
A battle of two extremes. Sten with overwhelming strength and fortitude but whose technique and instincts were rusty, and Evangeline whose wits and blade were quick but could not match Hunger's own physicality. Just as the battle would be over if Sten grappled him, so too was it over if Hunger grappled Eva. He hooked her leg with his own and brought them to the ground, shrugging his shoulder back to prevent her retrieving her sword. Blindly she struggled but his strength was by far the greater. Whipping them to the side he dodged Sten's last desperate charge and brought his Blade around to cut through Eva's neck. Its edge flashed harrowing blue as it slid across her jugular; one clean stroke to take off her head. The Ring of Blood pulsed only once in triumph, as if reminding him that this battle was not yet complete.
And she's down! Only Sten left. Let's not fail on the very last step.
Hunger leapt back as Sten extricated himself from the chamber wall. Assessing himself, he finally realized that his Ring was still with his severed right arm; though diminished, he could feel its presence strongly. Was this a general property of the Ring or merely its depth of resolve to save its sibling? Perhaps their connection had grown so that, like the Forebear's Blade, it could come to him when called?
Took you long enough Hunger! Good thing that getting Isildured isn't as bad as we could have feared. If having our arm cut had shut down the power of the ring we would have straight up died...
Hunger smirked to himself as Sten faced him again. No, the Ring was not the Blade; it held a different sort of power and could not affect the world in so gross a way. Sten glared at him with eyes devoid of hate; gray obligation filled those dull eyes, a tireless duty that had never once wavered.
Yeah, the ring has its own thematics in the powers it offers. It offers all kind of interesting magical effects but none of them are as obvious in their actions as some of the powers offered by the Evening Sky. Probably why some people seems to think that our blood powers aren't proper magic… Even though they are.
It was no easy thing, to bear a Ring, but far harder still to contain one unwillingly. And yet he could not bring himself to pity this sad thundering jailer. This was the chief architect of the Azure Ring's torment. He would pay nothing less than the ultimate price.
Yeah, Sten knows perfectly well that what he's doing is wrong but is doing it anyway. Given that, it's pretty difficult to pity him.
 
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In which I suggest that Naruto runs are, in fact, the superior form of locomotion. Legend says they can even outspeed Arete debt.
For once, the title of a terrifying fight update does not fill me with dread! Hunger clearly isn't the one paying the price, that's the Azure Ring's color right there. It's Azure, I realized how stupid that sentence was after I wrote it.

Baenlixnaire would probably tsk at this level of revenge, though. We came here to kill Immortals and free the Ring, but there's always a price above the price and death isn't nearly as terrible as the gigatortures he prefers. How could we even call ourselves Avengers? (Same for the Avengers, really, terrible name for a superhero team).

The Ultimate Price should be the Penultimate Bossfight, let's get the hell out of here.
The last few hours had been a whirl of activity; they'd consolidated control over a full nine-tenths of the Inner Ring, with many of the last holdouts falling to his direct assault, The activity had reminded him of his Geas task and the vast swathe of time it portended: fifty years to rule, twenty-five hundred years the limit, and that vast span less than an eyeblink compared to the full scope of the Geas itself, nine hundred thirty-seven octillion years of service. He'd been shaken from his contemplations by the arrival of Aeira and Gisena herself, the latter at last complete with her meditations.

Her evolution into self-proclaimed 'High Sorceress' had certainly augmented her powers; there was a nearly-tangible current of findross in her wake, a shimmering presence of something greater than mortal life. There was a capricious yet graceful quality to even her slightest movements, her beauty now almost cruelly captivating, every feature unbearably shapely and clear. Her sparkling green eyes caught him and she winked, daintily skipping over as the troops of House Alynne watched.
Hunger's not playing, taking over (almost) an entire city in a matter of hours is pretty legendary. He's probably overcompensating for being a Ranklet, but it's not about the size, it's how you use bladewinds. And also it's about the size, but 5 is perfectly normal.

It won't be nearly enough to take over the Human Realm, but we have plenty of time (knock on wood) to grind our way up there. And we have even more time to come to terms with our arbitrarily long Indenture. It doesn't bother me that it lasts for basically eternity- well, as the one who doesn't have to deal with it, of course I'm not worried about it- but I think I'd be fine with having to do chores for an octillion years, personally. It'd be less onerous than having to go to work to stay alive, an annoyance but not one that has to be all consuming, and eventually it'll probably be as normal as breathing. That's just the length, though, I'd actually just die if I had to assassinate a hero or conquer anyplace no matter how many superpowers I had, so don't take this for any kind of boast. No point in Hunger worrying about it now, regardless, it's almost bossfight time.

That is definitely favoritism I detect. We weren't even talking about Gisena, her +Cha is just so overwhelming that she gets a "herself" for showing up. Really, though, she deserves it for finally leveling up days after her homework was due. It was worth the wait, she's beautiful and terrible even to Hunger. Aeira's cortisol levels must be through the roof; being a teenager with a crush (romantic or otherwise) is stressful enough without superhuman nonsense coming in to the picture. And that was yesterday, now she's even more ridiculous. And the plan is to give Gisena the Ring, I'm sure that won't help. At least when we Ennoble Gisena for +Charisma the +Will we'll drop on Aeria should more than cancel it out? We need to give her more sovereignbux as hazard pay for being around Gisena.

All those guards are probably almost as impressed, but I don't feel sorry for them because a quick glimpse of +30 Cha is an experience rather than a torture.
"Hey hun, did you miss me?" She asked sweetly, arms behind her back.

He frowned. "Stop showing off, we've got a Ring to save. Is that going to be permanent?" He nodded towards her aura of findross.

"Aww," Gisena pouted, extending her arms and twirling around. "Can't a girl celebrate just a little? I haven't had a makeover in ages! We've been traveling in such grueling conditions, too. And you needn't worry about the aura, it's just a side effect of my transformation! Should go away in a couple hours."

"Yes yes, you're the fairest of them all," he said dryly, forcing himself not to be distracted by her now-transfixing exquisiteness. He had parlayed with Lords and Ladies of the Fae that were nearly as beautiful, though that had been at the apex of his former might.
If the findross aura (why does it always get italics, by the way? Most magicy words just get capitalized) is a temporary thing, I'd love to try to capture some outside of a body for experiments- but that would've been the Thousand Cuts option, and we made our choice. Poor Gisena. She just wants praise for being and Hunger's like "Explode, normie." ;_; He only likes me for my Nullity.

Internally, though, Hunger's desperately convincing himself that everything is fine, he's dealt with worse. Well, actually, this is the worst he's dealt with by a hair, but the conditions are different! Yeah, he had, uh, more resistance back then. Thank goodness for Guile-Defeating Stance, it not only prevents backstabbing, but it also stops you from stuttering in front of pretty girls!

The backstory is teasing me, we've heard about the Fae before, but the last world seems to be on the "medieval shithole" side of fantasy, just with high power levels, and they don't perfectly fit that image. The world's a big place with room for all sorts, though, and the conditions were probably a result of the Tyrant, but I wanna know more. Gotta grab some EFBs for lOrE.
"Good, praise me more," Gisena said happily, coming around to take his arm. "So hun, what's the plan? Have you met any of the big, bad, Immortals mentioned in Aeira's papers?"


"No," he shook his head, "You're going to deal with them for me."

"Hm? I've just shown up and I get handed all the work?"


"That's right. It's the reward for a job well-done."

Gisena giggled. "Then I suppose I can't complain. I did ask you to praise me more!"

Luckily, we haven't lost the banter; Gisena's going easy on us for a while, I bet. It's the sportsmanlike thing to do.

She will be incredibly useful, but although she's going to exert herself a lot it's Hunger that'll be taking on most of the risk. So we're not entirely taking advantage of her, lol. I'm incredibly glad that we waited for backup instead of Cutting Through; even if it was more effective and didn't lead us into a deathtrap, it's way more fun to do things with help. I mean, we are charging into the fight alone, but only physically.
Aeira was apparently too flustered to say anything to either of them, taking instruction quietly and acknowledging their directions with a shaky nod. With the Immortals entrenched in the tiny Innermost Temple, Hunger would wrap himself in a shell of dense edeldross and transport Gisena to one of the outlying buildings on the border of the Innermost. From there she would unleash her Ultimate Nullity, the "Plan B" that had wiped all wonder and magic from the world. With her powers recently enhanced, the radius of effect would be more than enough to cover the Innermost Temple - and a good fraction of the Inner as well. No Immortal would escape the effect.

He expected to lose the Evening Sky temporarily, even with his maximal edeldross output, but the Immortals should suffer far more greatly than he. Aeira would cloak them in shadow before they went; none expected her Element to overcome the perspicacity of the highest Immortals, but every bit could help.

Initially all went as planned, his edeldross cocoon and the cloak of Evening below both withering before Gisena's onslaught, but leaving his body untouched. With not a moment to waste, he sped towards the Innermost at forty times the speed of sound, a lightning blur springing unimpeded towards the final prison of the Ring.
We gotta drop some +Will on Aeira, I'm even more convinced now. But there's no more time for banter, we're jumping in to the plan right away. I'm already seeing some of the tactics that people suggested in the positioning of the Ultimate and Aeira's buff, that's always gratifying. Even more so is that the plan hasn't yet gone awry, although I struggle to see how this first blast could have been complicated, it's the easy part.

The last number we got, I think, was "the speed of 200 men" versus Vanreir, so Mach 40 would be 1200* times faster, assuming 25 mph for the humans. With ++Agi from Uttermost, ++++ from Quickening, +++++ from WeDS, and the 30% Edeldross boost, yeah, 6x faster seems a bit high if anything. Ah, right, we dropped the -5% and -15% physical debuffs, didn't we. And our blood buff is much stronger, even if it's not exactly quantified. On the other hand, we did just eat bits of a Nullity Ultimate, so it seems clear that we shouldn't concern ourselves with the diminishing returns of +'s just yet. The numbers going up tickle my monkey brain, heehee. Incidentally, that's fast enough to circle the Earth in less than an hour, we're at an insane level of Sanic now.

*Don't trust these numbers, I did math twice and got 3x speed rather than 6x the first time and I can't figure out why.
At last it came into view, the charge he'd pursued with unswerving determination these past weeks: caught, in artful symmetry of the Temple itself, within the pale ivory fingers of a precisely-manufactured vise, each point of contact alight with crackling agony, spilling siphoned power in thunderous bolts.

Surprisingly, two Immortals still stood, their powers undepleted by Gisena's attack. One man and one woman standing unfortunately close to the Ring. The man was dressed in plain tunic and pants with rainbow wisps fading about him, while the woman was clad in more conventional plate, bearing a broadsword whose steel flashed clarion blue. If Larissa's description was correct, these were Evangeline Worldkeeper and Quiet Sten, two of the mightiest Immortals, though she hadn't expected either to withstand the bomb of Gisena's Nullity unscathed.
Somehow I imagined that the final fight would be more spread out and further away from the Ring's prison, but that would leave the Ring much too open, this makes more sense. I'm more surprised by Hunger's surprise, he gets paranoid about convenient fishing spots, since when was he so optimistic? Can't ding him for the spacing concern since I shared it, but you can't escape the final boss fight so easily. Perhaps he just has a huge amount of trust in Gisena, that's cute of him.

It looks like ducking back outside to break the moon-clutching fingers there would've been a mistake, if the actual Vise is in the Innermost and much smaller. The symmetry probably reduces the power requirements because symbolism and magic nonsense. Unless it's literally the same object, space warping would allow for that even if it would hurt my brain more.

Stenallon's aura is described as a rainbow wisp now, wherefrom his un-Ulted perspective he was covered with shadowy shards of stained glass. Threw me for a bit, but I guess that is what his shadow would look like while dissolving. Evangeline has a weapon. And armor. Geeze, on top of "is the most competent" all the descriptions of her jive with a high threat level but don't really give me a handhold to figure out how to beat her. The blueness of her sword might indicate a connection to the Ring- ah, no point making tactics at this point, anyway.
Without hesitation they leapt at him, swiftness nearly the equal of his own. The man hunched forward like a dog taught to kill, his limbs colossal, barrel-like arms near twice the width of Hunger's own. He was a broad bear of a man, though he stood only half a head taller, nowhere near the old marshal's stature who had confronted him at the boundary of the Inner Temple. The woman tacked to the side, sword held defensively, examining Hunger's figure with a critical eye. Buoyed by the imminent prospect of its kin's rescue, his Ring flared crimson, and he felt their blood falter and tremble before him. Let it be enough.
Drat, Eva's as fast as Sten is, I was hoping she'd have worse Agi. On the flip side, our blood debuffs are actually effective, I wasn't sure they'd land even after the Nullity. Sten is huge as befitting his insane Strength, but I can't grok his posture. More readiness for lunging? He doesn't outstat us enough for that to be a good opening move, but to be fair he doesn't know that. They'll soon learn, though, with Eva dissecting our every move through mundane skill alone.

We've grabbed 2 25-point Advancements, a new magic system, two stances, capped a blood tree, started down the other, and grabbed a new party member, so the idea that it wouldn't be enough is ridiculous- except for the fact that we spent so much on potential and didn't just grab ADS, hah. No regrets. Unless we die, or lose an artifact or a ton of rank, in which case lots of regrets. Yeah, I'm scared enough to write this in support of a less risky powerup option.
He feinted at the man, committing hard to an attack on the breastbone; then switched last-minute to half-sword, shifting the angle of his strike down towards the man's groin. His opponent reacted with admirable speed, stepping sideways to avoid the cut, but Hunger released his Blade with his left hand and punched him in the face. The Power of Ruin infused in his strike left a crater of splintering skin and bone, but Hunger's own fist rebounded harshly, bones shattered by the terrible sharp tenacity of his opponent's flesh. It was like punching a cliff crag of pure adamant; and though his foe seemed equally surprised that the Ringbearer had hurt him, Hunger fell back, jaw gritted in frustration.
Here Hunger demonstrates the benefit of not being Vanreir, he can do his Uttermost while still not committing totally to an attack. He feinted for the groin after fainting for the chest after feinting for Sten, who he punched in the face even though Eva was the target the whole time. I think each of those moves were suggested individually, but as usual Hunger turns them into something further beyond.

Nice bit of humor in this incredibly fast paced fight. The shared incredulity of "That barely hurt him?/That actually hurt me?" is great, and an acknowledgement of all the +Str we've been stacking recently. And here I thought Zweihander's non-Stance ability would never pay off. We're as hurt by that attack as he is, though, both his hardness and (I think) the remnant of his Soul Evocation broke our hand, so I think Round 1 is a draw. Maybe a slight advantage to the Immortals, depending on what Eva learned from this.
He knew his time was limited. It would not take long for the other Immortals to recover their powers as the Groundskeeper had. He had to finish these two great threats and steal their strength before then.

Only brief instants to think as his hand healed. Neither opponent had used their Soul Evocation; Gisena's attack had at least disabled that. He might be wrong but he was doomed anyway if that were the case.

Going for the Ring was too risky while it was flanked by both defenders. They clearly wanted him to duel Quiet Sten, so it was best to take out Evangeline first. The Forebear's technique had not failed him yet; he could only hope it would suffice to cut through these final guardians. But best not to rely on uncertainties when possible. He leapt backwards again, blade lashing out to send sword-winds screaming across the bare chamber of the Innermost. In all directions they curved and hummed; impossible for a foe of equivalent speed to intercept them all. The intent was clear: at least one enemy would have to close the distance or be worn down at range.
Hunger lists out all the reasons why this is a terrible situation, many of which he can't control, but I have faith in him! More than that, I have faith in the Bladewind Spam. Like the Accursed, it is so powerful that its enemies (Rihaku) can only hope to seal it away through treachery... the field is now ours!
Evangeline clicked her tongue. Quiet Sten spread wide his arms and charged into the mass of the blade projections, the swarm scoring his torso but failing to deal more than superficial damage. Evangeline leapt back and parried with her blade, each sword-wind carving a tiny but perceptible nick into that clarion saber. A single stroke made it past her guard and slipped beneath her armor, carving a broad deep line through her lower torso.
On first read, I thought Eva's reaction was an expression of irritation, but it's probably also a code. Looks like Eva has more control over Sten in combat than outside of it, or at least that they know when to set aside their animosity.

All the meming I do about bladewinds aside, I didn't actually expect it to result in such a clean hit this early in the fight. And even the "superficial damage" on Sten is rad for an attack intended only to control the space. Eva's sword is slowly getting ground down, too, which would have surprised me had we not just taken WeDS, I'll have to remember how easy and effective-ish this tactic is for longer fights.
And then Stenallon was upon him, blotting out all sight, hands crooked like claws as he descended like a falling sun. Hunger blasted the ground with edeldross, hurling himself back and away, bouncing off the curved chamber wall to spring towards Evangeline. Sten bellowed in rage, leaping with thunderous strength straight upwards to intercept him.

Shit. The man was so strong that even a slight twitch of his foot sufficed to propel him at awesome speed. He'd waited until Hunger was midair to spring his trap.
You've heard of rocket tag, how about extreme air hockey? Some pretty crazy mobility is happening here, but it looks like taking to the air was a mistake, sorry for my part in suggesting that. Sten used his strength to... push off the ground and move towards Hunger quickly. Because strength equals go faster. But not for normal running, only jumping into the air? Because to run, you have to hit the ground repeatedly, and using too much force moves you away from the ground. Meaning goofy Naruto runs are more effective because they move you more X and less Y. So Sten's posture makes sense. But geeze, I'd still have thought that being able to maneuver in midair would be more of an advantage, Sten must be meteoric right now.

If I understand that right, blasting Edeldross backwards and up should keep us more firmly on the ground, allowing us to go faster. Basically, the opposite of what we did here. Round 2 is definitely the Immortals' victory.
No time for fancy work. Hunger struck one-handed with the Forebear's Blade directly at Sten's center of mass. Swiping with a single paw, Sten tore Hunger's arm off at the elbow, and reached out with his other hand to trap him within a crushing grapple.

As expected. Hunger recalled the falling Forebear's Blade towards his left hand, summoning it point-first into Sten's right kidney. With the same gesture he conjured a last-ditch wall of edeldross: far from enough to withstand the charge but sufficient to break Sten's momentum. The grapple fell short and Hunger recalled his Blade again, driving and twisting it in Sten's obdurate flesh as the weapon sought its master.
I distinctly remember Rihaku saying that we were in for a bad time if Sten got his hands on us, and that's exactly what happened. But as it turns out the bad time happened before the grapple, and it was some kind of keikaku anyway. Since his arm being off truly is just a flesh wound, he took the opportunity to TK his sword into Sten's kidney. That damage wouldn't have been enough to stop Sten, but he has another tactic. Huh.

'Kay, so he blocks Sten just a bit with a wall of edeldross. I wouldn't have suggested that at all out of fear of buffing Sten, but it looks like it didn't do that? Is our control good enough to hit people with edeldross without buffing them, now, or did I just misunderstand how the green lantern constructs work in the first place?

Well, I'm grateful for it, because we've traded an arm for a kidney, the extra wigglesword trauma, and, most importantly, no longer being in Sten's hold. Round 3 goes to Hunger.
Evangeline had by this point recovered some portion of her Soul Evocation; she pointed at Hunger and bright bolts of gold issued forth from her finger to strike at him. Where they touched, they seared and boiled his flesh, scouring down to the bone. But that bone remained untouched, and free of Sten's reach Hunger fired another burst of edeldross, propelling him like a missile into Evangeline. She hopped back, dodging the impact crater, but the Ring of Blood brought him unnatural resilience. Recovering in an eyeblink he simply leapt forward, jamming the razor-sharp shard of his amputated elbow into her chest wound. Hobbled by that same wound, Evangeline could not dodge, choosing instead to skewer him on her brilliant flashing blade; the metal parted Hunger's flesh easily, punching clean through his shoulder, but force of that magnitude could hardly stop him now. Finally in knife-range he slammed his forehead into hers, shattering her face; sent reeling, she did not see the Forebear's Blade tear itself free of Sten and leap contentedly into Hunger's left hand.
The Sea of Nullity is wearing off quickly, I should have added to Round 3 that Sten's maneuver also granted the Immortals time. Evangeline's attacks seem to have a similar effect as Aobaru's in that it burns and destroys matter, though the specifics are different. What's so special about bone that her attacks leave it alone? Nothing on Hunger's end, I think, the only parts of his human form that are particularly interesting (in a positive way) are his blood and his zweihander-powered arm. A connection between a Grand Oracle and bone would be... ha! It would make sense to use bones in divination, was that a utility spell to quicky get rid of all the unnecessary meat that she converted into a weapon? I love it.

Edeldross flight is quicker than I thought it would be. Does it scale off of our Agi? I assumed it was, like, a physical thing, but that was probably foolish since edeldross is a liminal substance. We took more damage from our kamikaze attack, but small injuries like that are meaningless with our regen, so let's not shelve that tactic quite yet. And then-

KNIFE! So metal, much brutal. Hunger is the bone of his sword. Pierce through, even if your sword is thataway. And then get pierced through in return, but use your much higher Con to deal with that. The Immortal Faces Broken counter increments to 2, and I think we're about to see a re-reenactment of Seralize's death. Everything is so fast, has Sten even hit the ground yet? Round 4 is absolutely Hunger's.
A battle of two extremes. Sten with overwhelming strength and fortitude but whose technique and instincts were rusty, and Evangeline whose wits and blade were quick but could not match Hunger's own physicality. Just as the battle would be over if Sten grappled him, so too was it over if Hunger grappled Eva. He hooked her leg with his own and brought them to the ground, shrugging his shoulder back to prevent her retrieving her sword. Blindly she struggled but his strength was by far the greater. Whipping them to the side he dodged Sten's last desperate charge and brought his Blade around to cut through Eva's neck. Its edge flashed harrowing blue as it slid across her jugular; one clean stroke to take off her head. The Ring of Blood pulsed only once in triumph, as if reminding him that this battle was not yet complete.
Well, Hunger is demonstrably correct because he won the battle after grappling Eva, but I still don't necessarily agree. Grappling is a great idea for the enemy with higher Strength, but not so much if you're facing two peer enemies at a time. Sten woulda fucked us up for that if he was closer- but he wasn't closer, so I guess this was a 1v1 fight for that short period. Again Hunger traps a sword inside him by flexing really hard, high regeneration and Willpower makes that a good option to prevent additional stabbings. And it gives nice shock value, as a plus. Probably a worse idea against higher Str opponents that could just carve through, or against a barbed whatever that could be twisted for more damage, I think.

We couldn't dodge Sten at all last time, and we did it casually here, so I'm pretty sure it's the difference between the X and Y axis. And Eva's dead because Sten couldn't reach us quickly enough, if we want to be a jackass and break him mentally there's some ammo. Round 5: Hunger just won't stop winning.
Hunger leapt back as Sten extricated himself from the chamber wall. Assessing himself, he finally realized that his Ring was still with his severed right arm; though diminished, he could feel its presence strongly. Was this a general property of the Ring or merely its depth of resolve to save its sibling? Perhaps their connection had grown so that, like the Forebear's Blade, it could come to him when called?

Hunger smirked to himself as Sten faced him again. No, the Ring was not the Blade; it held a different sort of power and could not affect the world in so gross a way. Sten glared at him with eyes devoid of hate; gray obligation filled those dull eyes, a tireless duty that had never once wavered.

It was no easy thing, to bear a Ring, but far harder still to contain one unwillingly. And yet he could not bring himself to pity this sad thundering jailer. This was the chief architect of the Azure Ring's torment. He would pay nothing less than the ultimate price.
Sten entombs himself in a wall by charging, like this is some kind of video game. That Hammerer guy in Runescape, what a chump. D'oh, the Ring was on the hand we sacrificed? Yeah, Round 3 was actually only a draw.

Aside from that possibly being a huge problem, I think he's treating the Ring as a separate entity for the moment. He hasn't ever mentioned the Crimson Ring's resolve to save the Azure Ring before, only his own. All that worry about Blade contamination and Hunger might actually have a will separate from Hunger, too. Hardly a problem, but it's fascinating, we should take the "Commune with Ring" option that was available back when if it comes up again.

More immediately, Sten ain't even mad, so tactics designed to take advantage of his insanity might be less effective than hoped. He won't rage so easily, but we already know of his conflicted feelings about his duty. We could use that to flip him, but we also have to take into account how merciful Hunger isn't at the moment. I'm inclined to just kill him, after reading the update again, so I might change my vote on that.
 
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger
[X] Treachery


I'm open to switching out Avenger for something else I suppose. I just think it would be neat to get alpha striked, and then popping out of it with triple stats. Form of Rage minus the need to die and minus the need to spend Arete, so long as it procs.

But again, I could be swayed.
What I won't be swayed from, however, is Treachery.

Winning through Age and Treachery has two components. Utilizing superior experience granted through Age, and subverting superior parameters via Treachery.
I realize that this is reductionist but Sten is older than us. To be more specific he has higher parameters than us and we don't have more experience.
Thus, where our Age isn't enough, it's time to move on to the second half, that is the subversion of superior parameters. If we could win in a head on fight without chance of indefinite maimings things would be so much simpler, but honestly I'd like to leave the Temple with a net gain in power and being tricky seems like it would do that better than fighting head on.
 
I can't belive I'm using this many. I should probably stop now. Reaction Circa A Farewell to Arms. 1358 Words.

A Wind Full of Knives
I'm not sure what the wind and what the knives are here. It could be a reference to the stealth game guard cliche of writing off things as the wind though. Except the wind is Aeira and she has knives to go with her sword. Given the fact the title is blue like Aeria's Blurb was this is the most likely explanation. The title is in some way connected to Aeira.


It could be a reference to Aeira's friend and the communication mechanism she's using to keep in touch with the Elixir Sovereignty.

For the tangents and odd associations I use in my reactions so much, the plane of war on Eberron, Shavarath, has clouds of blades floating around that attack non natives.

"Fine," Hunger said, after a moment's thought. "If you've thought through the logistical implications, you can come with us, though we won't provide any guarantee of safety. This path is dangerous and will only grow more so."
Hunger is probably thinking something like... at least she had a choice in the matter. I didn't. He's also completely right about the dangers of the path given his decisionmaking skills, the Decimator's Affliction, and the existence of the Apocryphal curse.


He would trust Letrizia's judgement on this matter, at least for now. The young duchess was in many ways naive. It was sometimes hard to remember that she was a veteran warrior entrusted with her nation's greatest superweapon.
So does the thread, and me in some cases with all these family themed jokes with Hunger and Gisena as the parental figures. Hopefully getting Verschlengorge back up to full functionality will put those jokes to rest.


He believed she had the wherewithal to consider matters objectively when truly serious decisions, like this, came about.
Don't underestimate Letrezia! Even if she is fond of edgelords and may have a fondness for whatever the off copyright version of Vampire the Masquerade is in this universe.

"Thank you so much!" Aeira bowed again, even more deeply than before. "Yes, I have set up an account for an escrow company into which you can deposit funds now and remotely. The money will be released to my family on a time-delayed basis, assuming you intend to pay upfront with cash, and returned to you if my service is not satisfactory.
She most certainly did think this through. Hopefully she's got a plan for if we pay her in precious metals for the second month though.

One of my classmates has an Element that allows for limited-throughout communication across the Voyaging Realm. It's not totally reliable, but we should be able to get signal at least one day in ten. That will also enable me to slowly navigate back to the Sovereignty if we must part ways. I can bunk with Letrizia and will bring my own supplies in terms of food and toiletries."
That is some impressive preparation. Well done Aeira!


"You're prepared, that's good. We'll finally have someone responsible on the team." Hunger smiled lightly.
Hopefully Lord Hunger will become more responsible once his mental debuffs are no longer a thing.

"That means she'll have to rein us in, hun!" Gisena grabbed his arm playfully. "How shocking! Now what will we do for fun?"


"Training," he deadpanned.
You'd need meaningful stakes to make that work Hunger. Are you getting into the contest of primacy fever/rival romance route already? We haven't even gotten Gisena the Azure Ring yet!

"Speaking of which, Aeira, would you care for a spar? If I win, you'll give us a 10% discount, and if I lose, we'll double your pay."
Seriously Lord Hunger? The Ring has seriously farked with your incentive structure if you're willing to pull stunts like that on a whim. Also, you've got mental debuffs right now.

Aeira made a startled noise and raised her hands. "I-I am sorry, but I do not think I can accept those terms. Even though you are being unconscionably generous, my family needs this money and I cannot accept anything less than the asking price."
I can almost hear the flusteredness and comical arm flailing in panic from her reaction to this scenario.

"Hm." Hunger frowned slightly. "I hate to pry, but may I ask what your family is using the money for? If there are any points of leverage against you, we need to be informed in advance. We're trusting you to watch our backs against foes that are very capable and resourceful, often with varied supernatural capabilities."
Hrm... maybe Lord Hunger was slightly less mentally debuffed than I initially thought with that idea?

Letrizia bit her lip. "Shoot. I hadn't considered that..."


Aeira smiled gently at her. "It is fine. Yes, my family is greatly in debt to government of the Elixir Sovereignty... we used to be on the founding council, but my grandmother and grandfather made several critical errors in business, wiping out our fortune and exposing us to our rivals. The back taxes alone have been crippling... All my life, my mother and father worked tirelessly to extricate us from debt, but their political enemies ensured they would never hold high station. However, I do not believe that such petty affairs in so remote a society as ours would hold much interest for your enemies."
Her economic circumstances... her dark purple eyes, her sword, her penchant for dark clothing... is she a genre refugee from Log Horizon? Her aesthetic probably has a lot of common ground with Akatsuki, and Log Horizon spends a lot of time dealing with the economic issues with people trying to deal with a mass isekai scenario.

"I see." There were a few ways such a vulnerability could come to bite them down the line, but it seemed unlikely for now.
Foreshadowing just got established here people. Something is probably going to happen involving her family that will bring us back to the Elixir Sovereignty.

Something to keep an eye on, but it wasn't disqualifying.
The question here is how do we plan for this incident buildwise when it happens? Mobility enhancers? Economic soft power tools?

The main issue would be... "Your friend, who allows you to communicate across the Voyaging Realm, how does her Element operate? Do you trust this person?"
Hunger is working all the angles here. All of them.

"Yes, absolutely." She nodded. "Her Element manifests only partially in the physical realm. The other half is bound not by space, but by emotional association. Only if we trust each other mutually and implicitly would the function work correctly."
That's a neat element. Aeria really did prepare for the job extremely well.


"And she is diligent enough to keep you regularly updated on matters here?"


Aeira nodded again.


"In that case, welcome aboard." He reached out a hand for her to shake. Hesitantly, Aeira extended her own, pausing in the midst to remove her fingerless gloves. Her grip was firm but rigid, palms sweaty. Anxious beneath the mask.
Fingerless Gloves? I did some checking around to see what kind of practicality those have. Apparently they strike a balance between preserving finger dexterity and warmth. They're good for practicioners of grappling focused martial arts styles. The thing is though, she's a swordfighter. You wear gloves with fingers to keep them from getting broken in swordfights. I'm curious what her rationale is for the gloves or if she just thinks they look cool.

On another note, we are probably going to need to get something to seal away some measure of our presence if we want to have normal conversations with her now given how we have Vigor Incarnate. Her palms are already getting sweaty interacting with us. Let's hope she doesn't turn into the Akatsuki to our Shiroe.

"I know it may not seem like much to you," Aeira said, smiling timidly. "But this is truly a small fortune for my family. It will make our interest payments much more bearable. So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you again!"
God damn her family's in bad circumstances. Maybe she didn't have as much choice as we thought. Let's make sure not to use her frivolously.

"Don't thank me. Just carry your weight," Hunger admonished gruffly, but returned her smile with one of his own.
You're gonna carry that weight. Let's hope we never end up in a scenario where that card from Cowboy Bebop is appropriate.


"You did it! I'm so proud of you!" Letrizia leapt over and grabbed Aeira in a hug. 



"Mhm!" Aeira nodded happily.


They set out on their journey to the Temple once more. This time Verschlengorge was blanketed in a cloak of silken shadow which, if one were not looking specifically for him, diminished the salience of his presence in one's mind. It was an odd effect, the colossal machine seeming almost to fade into the background... not invisible nor inaudible, but unimportant, like a cliff or hillside, the clangor of his movements like construction noises far away.
Like Imp's power from Worm. Or Nice Guy's power. Or a Somebody Else's Problem field. We may be able to hide Verschlengorge in ways that would take a tactical genius to pull off if speccing her for combat didn't make that impossible.

This was the power of Aeira's Element, Shadowcord, which could be garrote or spear or binding weave; an assassin's Element which, aside from its attention-negating properties, also enhanced the agility of its wielder and nulled all sound by touch. Killer and victim would conclude their business in absolute silence, unnoticed even in busy crowds.
That's an impressive element. I wonder how her forming it into a spear works though.


Gisena welcomed their newest party member warmly, though Aeira seemed powerfully intimidated by the superhuman Sorceress, unable to raise her voice above a whisper when addressing Gisena directly. Most of the time, Aeira stayed with Letrizia in her cockpit, the two teenagers chatting happily about Imperial society and the differences in its Elixir offshoot.
Yeah we are going to need to do something to be able to suppress our presence if we want to get Aeira to join us in the Philospher's Wreath singularity sharing time. Vigor incarnate may have been practical but now that we've gotten what we wanted for having enough Charisma to mitigate Doom of the Tyrant, we need to get the ability to control our Charisma. Tangentially though, Vigor Incarnate raised the value of Philosopher's Wreath by making it give us a protection plus.


"That poor darling," Gisena smiled sadly, sitting alongside Hunger on Verschlengorge's shoulder. With the aid of Aeira's shadow, the number of Astral incursions targeting Verschlengorge had indeed decreased, though oddly not to zero. Thus there was no pressing need for comprehensive surveillance from its shoulder-side staff.
She's definitely managing to make herself useful though in the meantime.


"She looks up to you," Hunger said, "She just can't express it very well."


"I know," Gisena replied airily, "But if it's that bad now, just think how tongue-tied she'll be after I finish my meditations!
And heaven forbid you attaining your EFB and ascending to Maiden level power. Would she even be able to speak in your presence at all? Still, it's interesting to be the Cognitohazard this time.

And your own force of presence has been steadily increasing as well. Soon it'll be difficult for either of us to speak plainly with ordinary people."
Renaissance Woman would have enabled Gisena to keep up with us and remain a peer without needing to give her the Azure Ring for those who aren't looking for more of a rival romance scenario.


"Needs must," Hunger said. "The Apocryphal Curse will not stop escalating, so neither can we." This small sliver of inhumanity was a trifling price in the face of vengeance, though it did unsettle him slightly. But what was to be done about it? He frowned. Perhaps there was something to be done.
I wonder what it would take for us to make a presence limiter? I just realized at the time I was writing this reaction. Azure Moon! The power of the imprisoner may be enough for us to suppress our presence without needing Gisena's help! I posted this in the thread a while back. The only question is how concerned Lord Hunger would be about this at whatever point I decide to post this reaction given Rihaku's response back then.


"Though," he continued, "as the Nullity Sorceress, one would think you would be most equipped of anyone to bring us back down to earth."


"And surrender this beautiful visage?" Gisena gasped. "I would never do that to you. Worry not, my captain, I could hardly bear to deprive you for even a moment! The teeming masses shall just have to withstand it."


Was she referring to the reduction of her presence, or his own? Down either path lay a trap, and if called out directly she would feign obliviousness, thus framing his observation as paranoia. Hunger shook his head amusedly.
This reminds me of the Beatrice vs Erika scene from part 6 of Umineko. Erika thought Beatrice had pulled a Logic Switching trick similar in principle to what Gisena pulled off, though she was more amazed than Lord Hunger was with the way Beatrice's trick was used compared to Lord Hunger with Gisena.

"You're too clever for your own good, Gisena. What if you applied that genius to actually finishing those meditations of yours?"
Yes! As I've been saying in my previous reactions, her susceptibility to distraction makes her not particularly fit for the role of a Rihaku protagonist.

She idly kicked a slender leg, leaning against his shoulder. "I can't, Aeira took the spot in the cockpit I was using to meditate!
I suppose that's not too bad of an excuse. Though for whatever reason I'm now picturing Gisena as Gir singing the Doom Song due to the way Gir's legs were moving in that scene from Invader Zim. At least Aeira's here to spice the banter up once we figure out how to deal with our presence in spite of the Infiltration problem failing because of our debuffs.

Don't worry, I'll be finished up and completely evolved by tomorrow morning, ready to help you take down the Temple. So enjoy my delightful presence while you can!"
It's only going to get even more delightful from here once she becomes a cognitohazard.

"Good. You can keep watch while I take a nap."
And Lord Hunger just takes that completely in stride and decides to ignore her. That's... I don't know but when I'm reading this it seems better than some of the banter I've read for some reason.

Already they could see the Temple at far remove: the towering spires of its moon-clutching claw, the ivory swell of its dome against the wavering blue horizon. As before, they would have to navigate around to reach the front gate, a trip of several hours more. Hunger leaned back, settling in for the final leg of their journey.
I wonder if the claw is connected to the Ritual Grounds and the Vise of Plerion's power source?


Soon, he promised mentally, addressing the imprisoned Ring, willing his own to act as conduit. He did not know if the Rings could actually speak to one another, did not know if it was merely a futile gesture, but sought to offer whatever hope he could: the strength, perhaps, to resist for one day more, to deny its exploiters whatever power it could, here in this final hour. One way or another, your suffering ends soon.
You're going to speak more to it next update and it's about to speak back.




The winner was [X] Fine. In light of your new Arete total, the build vote will be concluded below.


You have about 27 Arete. You may spend up to 28 with Arete debt.


[ ] Forebear's Blade: All-Defeating Stance - 28 Arete


Woe to he who would presume to resist the Forebear, for neither spell nor song nor storm of swords would find purchase against his impervious guard. Bowed kings, bowed wizards, bowed warriors of legend and worlds themselves, for there was no chance of triumph without knowing the form of victory, and to stand against the Forebear was to know only defeat. Consumes and replaces its pre-requisite stances.


+++++All Stats

5x Power of Ruin against all targets.

Powers deriving from the Forebear's Blade are perfectly defended from nullification of any kind, even that stemming from a lack of fundamental metaphysics.


All-Defeating: All external effects natural or supernatural which would harm, impede or negatively alter the wielder must contest the amplified Power of Ruin or be destroyed before reaching the wielder. Effectively the character automatically applies an incredibly powerful conceptual-level counterattack against all hostile effects.


In practice, this mitigates all Curses as per Magic-Defeating Stance and renders the character nigh-immune to most forms of harm, as all attacks are intercepted by an imperishable well of ablative Ruin. Only the mightiest of effects can even hope to pierce through, and often with severely reduced outcomes. Even the effects of enemy Pressure are largely nullified unless that Pressure is substantially mightier than the wielder's Pressure and Power of Ruin combined.


Holy Shit: To stand against the wielder is to know only defeat. The wielder's enemies know when they are beaten. Double the wielder's Charisma and Manipulation against characters individually weaker than him. Innate awareness of the character's strength penalizes any attempts to form organizations or conspiracies opposed to him.


*In light of this capacity, Hunger will pursue a military-based strategy against the Temple, discarding his earlier plans. Events such as this occur sparingly if at all, but changing circumstances are inescapable, and needs must.

*Hunger can defeat Avecarn with only moderate difficulty and has decent odds of soloing the entire Temple himself.

*A highly synergistic build: You've taken lots of +Might (and +Willpower, and the Stance grants both), which is multiplied by Edeldross, which scales the power of Ruin, which is quintupled by the stance, which reflexively opposes all hostile effects. Hunger becomes a nigh-invincible juggernaut for his power level, and his offensive might is tremendous due to that Ruin itself. He can safely focus on developing esoteric capabilities with Cut Through.

*There are situations where one might prefer to have Guile-Defeating Stance instead of All-Defeating Stance, and taking the latter does consume the former.
It's simultaneously nice and heavily annoying that this didn't win, we wouldn't have needed to worry too much about Sten and we would have been totally ready for Philosopher's Wreath and an intelligence explosion. Espcially if we got the Sliver EFB for Evening Sky too.


[ ] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare - 25 Arete. (0 picks, but requires Chief Dominion)


Call'd the ring in direst hour;

Azure's brethren faces turned.

Yet came the Lord its cause to flower;

then saw its keepers, to ruin burned.


Forgotten not, the debt of Time

when all its kind had turned their backs;

Not Hunger ring, its steed to ride,

brought Temple low, rapine and sack.


And debt unpaid shall not abide.


The crimson jewel blazes with a hallowed, piercing light, its glory to outshine sun and stars, all made abject by its presence. This is attainment of a height that disdains mere power, the Jewel of Blood unveiled in truth.


Elevates the wielder's Rank by a variable amount [Currently: to 5]

+2 Rank for purposes of wielding the Chief Dominion.


If the Azure Ring is saved:

Further increases the scope, power, and control of the Chief Dominion, beyond even the limits of the Ruling Ring.*

Obsoletes and refunds: Augment Dominion: Blood, Sublime Transfusion, Ennobling

The Azure Ring will submit to the Crimson in the next contest of primacy.


*Example effects: Individuals can be Ennobled in hours, small populations in days, large populations in months. Levels above Ennoblement can be researched and acquired, potentially without Arete expenditure. Verschlengorge can be healed to Rank 6 in hours, to Rank 7 in days, to Rank 7.5 in weeks. Enemies of Rank 4 or lower can be rendered comatose with a gesture; those of merely equivalent Rank (5) would suffer crippling disadvantage.

*Hunger will try diplomacy first before moving onto combat

*He can offer them much, though it would still be a difficult task to sunder Avecarn from his civilization: stability is worth more than promises written on wind, and Hunger does not really have much interest in taking care of the Inner Temple society.

*Good odds in combat, very good odds of survival.

*Build towards the Trinity Special Advancement.
This was our original plan, we narrowly stuck to it because Rihaku tossed an apple of discord into the equation by deciding to reveal Gisena's Even Further Beyond now.



[ ] Renaissance Woman - 28 Arete


Not merely a genius of one generation, nor of one era; hers is a greatness of mind and spirit that arises perhaps only once in the lifetime of a species. All-conquering talent that bestrides all fields and masters them beyond compare: only this genuine polymath can be said to embody the complete essence - the true quintessence - of humanity in the Maiden's image. Only so exalted a paragon can glimpse the mortal facings of Heaven's Lathe and depart with mind unshattered.


A singularity of findross births a Sorceress. A meta-singularity of findross, births a Maiden.


*Gisena immediately acquires the Maiden-level Graces: True Perfecting Blade, True Nullity, and True Quintessence.

*Gisena, through observation of the mortal-perceptible components of Hunger's Progression, replicates the effects of the Lesser Remittance, Retinue, for up to one cardinality of infinite escalation.

*True Perfecting Blade: Massively improves Gisena's STR, AGI, CON, WITS and APP. Her physical parameters are modestly superior to Hunger's own. Her Wits and Appearance are tremendously superior to Hunger's own. Parameters will continue to increase over time.

*True Nullity: Gisena applies the effects of Grand Nullification upon all of Hunger's Curses; her nullity strikes with absolute force. This may improve over time.

*True Quintessence: Gisena is treated as if possessing the Total Eclipse Advancement.

*Her outrageously superhuman Appearance, Charisma and Wits can be classified as a high-grade memetic hazard, making infiltration of the Inner Temple quite trivial.

*Does not build towards a Special Artifact Advancement but also does not commit you to a path.

This is the apple of discord, tremendously tempting and potentially able to actually make our social plan work in spite of our debuffs if this won. Unfortunately for the social plans, we decided to stick to the original plan that wasn't good enough to turn Avecarn to our side with us at the helm. This Blurb also gave us some D E E P L O R E with how the Maiden saw the Accursed's Lathe of Heaven with their mind intact.
 
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