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My comment literally started with that quote, Sara. This is just insulting.
(And people wonder why I don't think people are actually reading anything I type...)
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A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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(And people wonder why I don't think people are actually reading anything I type...)
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Why argue about what somewhat high means? Just take Headsman and win. Simple.
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- Omniverse #1345
Apocryphal will kick our ass for sealing our best ranged ability.
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- Pindorama
My thought was that I'd veto your for two markers actually, You'd still have your vote for later. That wasn't actually clear at all, huh...
[X] Forebear's Blade - Headsman
Assuming this is close to 100% the difference is actually significantly greater than I thought. So guess I'll take it.
I assumed that was pretty much the case with all the builds, they just had a slightly greater margin, seems the margin is more than I thought.
Assuming this is close to 100% the difference is actually significantly greater than I thought. So guess I'll take it.
I assumed that was pretty much the case with all the builds, they just had a slightly greater margin, seems the margin is more than I thought.
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People don't want to even temporarily lose bladewinds and we don't know the way to unseal it even if its easy. Sounds like we have to invest some actions to it maybe towards our Soul Evocation?
Rihaku
The Internet
Looking at longterm options -
Knife Build - Works well with +Rank build, +Stats builds or Hybrid Build - all some of the most promising long-term buys
Avenger - Doesn't integrate with any build specifically, but useful when it procs
Headsman - Amazing with All-Defeating Stance
Honing Build - Similar to Knife Build, but with greater stats focus
Hateful - Discounts Ruling Ring, but you're still ~48 Arete away from Ruling Ring (assuming you want to complete Trinity and then buy All-Defeating Stance first for safety)
I'd say Knife > Honing > Headsman > Avenger = Hateful in terms of mid term potential and synergy given the current state of your build.
Knife Build - Works well with +Rank build, +Stats builds or Hybrid Build - all some of the most promising long-term buys
Avenger - Doesn't integrate with any build specifically, but useful when it procs
Headsman - Amazing with All-Defeating Stance
Honing Build - Similar to Knife Build, but with greater stats focus
Hateful - Discounts Ruling Ring, but you're still ~48 Arete away from Ruling Ring (assuming you want to complete Trinity and then buy All-Defeating Stance first for safety)
I'd say Knife > Honing > Headsman > Avenger = Hateful in terms of mid term potential and synergy given the current state of your build.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
We can get a new one. We have Sword Praxis, are you telling me sword praxis won't have a way to hit things with a swrod at range? That's like the most basic thing.
Or we can make a Pseudo-Grace with the same purpose, we have a bonus to developing Pseudo-Graces from Edeldross Adept and Gisena can help develop Edeldross stuff.
We'll be without bladewinds for a bit, that's true, but every build comes with downsides. Full Passion has the potential death chances and Avenger is worthless in a lot of cases. I simply think that needing to develop a new ranged ability is not an onerous downside, and Headsman also has the best chance at victory IIRC so we're getting a lot for our payment.
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- Omniverse #1345
I'm saying if we seal our current ranged attack we won't be offered any until after we break the seal. Because theme.
"I'm sure we'll come up with a way to fix it later!" is not a solution when you have no idea how to actually attain such a solution.
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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- The Voyaging Realm
Where is the warrior-mage build Rihaku. Where is it!
Unless these are all bad for mage focus, which would be very sad.
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- Omniverse #1345
Mostly nonviable, as it has been since we picked our remittances.
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I'm sorry, I must have missed that. My screen's kind of wonky at the moment and it's easy to miss the weird background of quotes without the usual stark black overhead highlighting them. I promise I wouldn't have gone out of my way to insult to you. I'll try to take extra care not to do so in the future.
Look, this is atleast the second time you've said this to me, do you actually think that I don't bother to read what you write and all my replies to you are some moneky with typewriter situation or i'm just skim through to get in gotchas? I don't really know how to convince you how I'm not doing that, but I will say that a number of people have missed or misinterpreted thing I've said in this quest and I know it happens to other people, It can be frustrating, but it's a thing that happens in a lot in fast moving text mediums with a lot of individual messages like this and I don't think maliciousness or not caring what someone has written is really a factor, if it makes you feel any better.
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We can develop pseudo graces. I don't see how it's nonviable when we have a perk and Gisena making it even faster. There's probably Praxis effects that force a melee engagement as well, seems quite in theme for it.
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Zampano
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I usually agree with your NotDying instincts but "because theme" is not a compelling counterargument to the three avenues we already have to develop techniques for ranged combat via Praxis, Edeldross-derived Graces, and Philosopher's Wreath.
It's a shame Avenger isn't getting more traction. Not only is it thematically fitting for Hunger, it's guaranteed to be relevant regardless of which route wins! With the wind of righteousness at Hunger's back, all his condemnations will pierce foes to their core. I understand the reluctance to invest seven Arete in a conditional boost which isn't going to always be active. If we could be assured of victory, the greed build of Preeminence would be preferable. But there's no guarantee that things will play out that way; a wounded beast is at its most dangerous, that's the entire reason I wrote up a 'the reason you suck' speech to pierce Sten's armor of rationalization. Combat with an absurdly strong veteran with millennia of experience is dangerous enough, but now he's got nothing left to lose; let's not play rocket tag and risk racking up more conditions. Breaking Sten's will was explicitly cited as a benefit of killing Evangeline first!
With Avenger, every physical and social attack Hunger lands is tripled in effectiveness! Doesn't anyone want to see Hunger rhetorically suplex Bearic, who's an Avenger-approved target? Someone who mutters encouraging aphorisms under their breath is no indomitable bastion of will, to say nothing of the numerous, gaping holes in his worldview.
By contrast, Headsman is just... really bad. It robs us of one of our most relevant capabilities. I might not vote to take it even if it was free, that's how anti-synergistic it is. We pay through the nose to nerf ourselves and not even referencing Game of Thrones can blind us to that truth. Besides, if there was ever a man who had mastered the Self-Defeating Stance, it was Ned Stark. Following in his footsteps appeals not at all.
Internet's still out, will see about index updates later.
With Avenger, every physical and social attack Hunger lands is tripled in effectiveness! Doesn't anyone want to see Hunger rhetorically suplex Bearic, who's an Avenger-approved target? Someone who mutters encouraging aphorisms under their breath is no indomitable bastion of will, to say nothing of the numerous, gaping holes in his worldview.
By contrast, Headsman is just... really bad. It robs us of one of our most relevant capabilities. I might not vote to take it even if it was free, that's how anti-synergistic it is. We pay through the nose to nerf ourselves and not even referencing Game of Thrones can blind us to that truth. Besides, if there was ever a man who had mastered the Self-Defeating Stance, it was Ned Stark. Following in his footsteps appeals not at all.
Internet's still out, will see about index updates later.
Rihaku
The Internet
None of the options are really relevant to magic specifically. They don't impact the mage build one way or another. That's like asking whether +Dex or +Str is better for mages. +Dex is slightly better, but it doesn't really matter. Knife, Honing, or Headsman are all fine for Mage builds. Knife is probably the best of those since Crimson Flare relies on Rank.
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- Omniverse #1345
If we had actually seen any of said ranged options I would be more willing to agree.
We haven't.
Therefore I'm not going to assume we'll miraculously run into one for the first time in our time of need.
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- Pindorama
blood isnt magic silly rihaku
i though we went over this
I am pretty reasonably sure that is not a thing for Avenger, or at least much less of a thing than for any other build - both through increase in durability and sheer ability to withstand trauma.
It does double all our physical stats on this occasion - get enough con, and stuff like your guts being torn out entirely becomes just a flesh wound.
Sure, I didn't particularly think double still really came close to Sten's strength though, and we'd still need to play keep away. So the only relevant increase I was looking at was basically the additional Agi+s it had beyond hateful's two. Like I said though, the floor for Hateful was lower than I thought, so the increase is more relevant than I expected.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger
[X] Treachery
Wow, the vote sure did shift while I was asleep.
[X] Treachery
Wow, the vote sure did shift while I was asleep.
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If we do end up going with Headsman, I am super looking forward to seeing if Hunger can just manhandle Sten strength to strength. Beating him at one his greatest areas of focus would be so satisfying.
Zampano
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Headsman + Weapon Defeating Stance would be something special. Every time a weapon is used to attack us we'd be able to parry & destroy that weapon.
Ironically, does Headsman +We-DS provide us with a nonlethal crowd control option beyond Edeldross?
Edit, to reiterate, the bandwagon anti-Preemnience vote still needs to be
[X] The Ring of Power - Avenger
[X] Treachery
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