A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
I'm doing it for the +Progression! This stat is a drug to me.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
I'm voting for stealth! The only assassin I'll accept is Zhuzheng!
Rihaku
The Internet
But you don't even benefit from it!
I don't think her +Progression(Combat) is that impressive. So she learns how to fight two times faster or something? Her main draw had always been her Element, and Stealth improves her Magnitude. That's the same sort of stuff that attracted people so much to Edeldross Adept.
I can understand wanting to heal our liver as quickly as possible though. Don't see it worth speccing our infiltrator for combat, but the sentiment is there.
I can understand wanting to heal our liver as quickly as possible though. Don't see it worth speccing our infiltrator for combat, but the sentiment is there.
Yeah, poor Business. She could have more Wisdom than Hunger! A low bar, I know, but someone has to specialize in the stat.
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Why are so many people suddenly voting for No? Remember, Flare has a higher chance of immediately killing us than just spending 14 Arete on Stances had and that still had a very real chance of killing us! That has not stopped being true! There is a time for saving, but when we're about to get in a confrontation with a very real chance of killing us isn't it.
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DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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This update has clearly shown in which way shadowcord is most useful to us, she will never truly be able to keep up (unless people want another arete blackhole), considering how insanely fast we grow and we don't need an combat ally currently.
What we need is someone who can help us get more information so that our plans have better chances to succeed. Making her focus on combat is frankly an complete waste of her talents and primary focus. Don't force her to become what she is not, that will only result in salt when she is inveitably left behind. Give her an niche in which she can stay relevant and useful instead.
What we need is someone who can help us get more information so that our plans have better chances to succeed. Making her focus on combat is frankly an complete waste of her talents and primary focus. Don't force her to become what she is not, that will only result in salt when she is inveitably left behind. Give her an niche in which she can stay relevant and useful instead.
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Since ++Progression is an order of magnitude increase in growth, if those +s don't work on a different scale when not applied to Hunger, than she should learn to fight much quicker than just twice as fast as before. Getting her to scale so she isn't immediately slaughtered if she gets discovered is useful, and I won't deny that having an assassin with relevant fighting strenght in our party allows also for a wider spread of combat tactics.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Guys, it's not just combat ability. It's also the ability for her to go out alone as an independent agent. Even if her shrouds and stealth are better in Stealth, her control and strength become powerful enough through Combat to the point where it become successful. Also, it's not just some numbers go up, it's enough to let her keep up if supported and invested into, which is better than the alternative of her eventually getting outscaled by better options.
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I suppose picking combat for the stealth character and saving on the combat character, as a response to fear of fighting, is a bit backwards.
[X] Stealth
[X] Hero-Defeating Stance
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
I still can't tell which I would prefer between these two stances, so I'll just take the easy way out and approval-vote.
[X] Stealth
[X] Hero-Defeating Stance
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
I still can't tell which I would prefer between these two stances, so I'll just take the easy way out and approval-vote.
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Flare actually had both a lower and higher chance of killing us than spending 14 Arete!
To elaborate, Maximum Safety was getting Stances specifically for optimizing for this fight and as such their immediate gain was much more than a less focused 14 Arete pick with both Guile and World-Defeating Stance.
Also, we shouldn't consider Stances our best use of spending Arete since they come with no pick for a reason. They can be very good, but usually you can find something better by waiting for a pick (or two or three) to focus you Arete on.
Because many people are voting MDS, which offers completely marginal improvement for this combat. If you don't think that risk is great enough, saving to spend on rewards makes more sense than buying MDS!
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- Canada
??? There are still more people voting GDS than MDS and an equal amount voting for HDS. If you don't like MDS, they're are two other Stances you can pick!
We've talked and asked about that once in relation to Blood advancements, I think, and the result was that +Progression made picks worth around 200% more? Can't really remember or find the quote. It's an improvement, sure, and will probably help her keep up for a bit, but I would prefer focusing on something she's actually significantly better at than Hunger.
I mean, this whole Interlude should be illustration enough for why Stealth would be useful.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
I'd be in favor of trying to come to a diplomatic solution involving blood buffing them. That way we don't have to give Hunger the mental baggage of wiping out a whole civilization.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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[X] Stealth
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
Mage defeating Stance is an option which increases our chances of success during almost potential fights in the temple. It's the perfect answer to an civilization of Soul evocation experts. Sure, it may not be as good as the other stances for this scenario but it makes it up for it with greater long term security due to the anti-magic and Curse mitigation.
It's an good balanced option that increases our survival chances now as well as in the long term. Balance between power and greed is the optimal choice in many cases. Here we don't need to maximize our chances, so we can look toward the future.
[X] Magic-Defeating Stance
Mage defeating Stance is an option which increases our chances of success during almost potential fights in the temple. It's the perfect answer to an civilization of Soul evocation experts. Sure, it may not be as good as the other stances for this scenario but it makes it up for it with greater long term security due to the anti-magic and Curse mitigation.
It's an good balanced option that increases our survival chances now as well as in the long term. Balance between power and greed is the optimal choice in many cases. Here we don't need to maximize our chances, so we can look toward the future.
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I think the broad intention is a carrot and stick social approach, with the goal being their capitulation. Basically act as if we're a hostile nation seeking to conquer, but willing to destroy. As the respective representatives of two rings, that's almost accurate!
The rub is that we're coming on pretty damn strong relative to our actual combat power right now. We have to appear unassailable, or they'll just commit everything to killing us, just as a nation facing conquest will commit everything to its defense, until its destruction is assured.
The best angle of approach I can conceive is to put forth that their current structure is untenable. We have a bit of information about their core infrastructure and government, which suggests a pretty rigid system. Difficult to destroy, but also brittle, with a serious risk of cascading failure.
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I guess telling them that their present way of living isn't sustainable and by sheer statistics someone strong enough will one day come and tear everything apart, someone who isn't actually searching for a way to mantain their quality of life like us? Also Hunger and the rest of the party are more knowledgeable of the Inner Temple functions so I'm personally hoping they (mainly Gisena) can find some chinks in their system that we could use to corroborate our argument.
Talace
It must be raining somewhere else!
Give Me The Ring
Ideally I'd like MDS, but I'll flip to Guile in about 4 hours if it doesn't look likely to win!
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
10 Million people in the temple = RISE AND REVOLT