A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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So let's go over the advantages of Ring.
Sure, most of the value of the option is gated behind actually finishing the Temple but the benefits it provides before should certainly not be underestimated. Tired of being a ranklet? Well, ring instantly take us to rank 5, an option previously priced at 4 picks, and add a further two ranks for the purpose of blood effects. This is pretty incredible. We'd have completely crushed Gondar with this, for example, and we still have excellent chances of defeating even Avecarn, which is not the case with RW. Sure RW would allow us to bypass this encounter via social but it certainly wouldn't be as good in case of an actual fight and I very much doubt we'll be able to solve the entire Temple relying purely on social.
But now we get to the best part, what happen after we complete the Temple. The effect of Chief Dominion greatly expand, granting us among other benefits: Sublime Transfusion, allowing us to heal Versclengorge to a large degree and making it a fantastic combatant which will also attract powerful monsters for us to train on and a far faster Ennobling, which can be further improved by research, which will allow us to possibly help the inhabitants of the ring civilization after we've collapsed their civilization. Oh, and the Azure ring will also submit during the next contest of primacy, which will probably be very good if we ever decide to pick Ruling Ring.
Sure, most of the value of the option is gated behind actually finishing the Temple but the benefits it provides before should certainly not be underestimated. Tired of being a ranklet? Well, ring instantly take us to rank 5, an option previously priced at 4 picks, and add a further two ranks for the purpose of blood effects. This is pretty incredible. We'd have completely crushed Gondar with this, for example, and we still have excellent chances of defeating even Avecarn, which is not the case with RW. Sure RW would allow us to bypass this encounter via social but it certainly wouldn't be as good in case of an actual fight and I very much doubt we'll be able to solve the entire Temple relying purely on social.
But now we get to the best part, what happen after we complete the Temple. The effect of Chief Dominion greatly expand, granting us among other benefits: Sublime Transfusion, allowing us to heal Versclengorge to a large degree and making it a fantastic combatant which will also attract powerful monsters for us to train on and a far faster Ennobling, which can be further improved by research, which will allow us to possibly help the inhabitants of the ring civilization after we've collapsed their civilization. Oh, and the Azure ring will also submit during the next contest of primacy, which will probably be very good if we ever decide to pick Ruling Ring.
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Zampano
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Deal. May god have mercy on my soul.
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
[x] Renaissance Woman
Bah, at least this has some long term value even if it is a massive waste of Arete.
Don't really care about Trinity VS Four Bear, I just want to get good value for our choices, and I really hate Flare, I can't see any use for it, the best thing it does, and only after we win, is give us Ennobling, which was good value for two picks, two Arete, and is horrific value for 25.
I don't like the Blood Magic it provides, and I despise soft power.
Bah, at least this has some long term value even if it is a massive waste of Arete.
Don't really care about Trinity VS Four Bear, I just want to get good value for our choices, and I really hate Flare, I can't see any use for it, the best thing it does, and only after we win, is give us Ennobling, which was good value for two picks, two Arete, and is horrific value for 25.
I don't like the Blood Magic it provides, and I despise soft power.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
- Location
- Australia
Safer right now is better than maybe safer in the future! If Gramps get's mad at us we won't live to actually get Crimson Flare's bonuses!
We kind of will though with the rank from Flare sharp leg reducing his rank advantage and giving us a significant advantage with our blood powers, this combined with our ludicrous stats gives us fairly good chances. and if we generate enough Arete to get a stance we have even less to worry about.
Hm, seven more pages and we'll have surpassed the original AST in thread length. Much faster in terms of pages per day too, though update consistency and the 25k difference in word count probably plays a part.
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
It's got worse chances than if we took guile and hero defeating stance and doesn't guarantee a social victory so even if we win we might have to kill this cool old guy that just wants to pamper his grandkids!
OctarineShrike
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We can still try to figure out Lateral approaches to this you know:
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A Simple Transaction I Original
Socially, the big problem is - what if he just asks Hunger something that Hunger would have to lie about, like his long-term intentions for the Temple or even something as simple as "do you have or plan to have any hostile intentions towards the Temple's society, inhabitants or Treasure?" There...
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Alternatively, have you considered taking Renaissance Woman? Take the EFB with a huge pile of extra bonus freebies, not the one that needs us to finish clearing the Temple before properly showing us all its features!
With Gramps having vetted us and a high grade cognitohazard on our side, we can stake out the inner ring and come up with a plan to deal with it while fully informed - flex those nightmare praetor muscles and a decades worth of experience as a resistance fighter!
If we're at all clever about it, we can subvert a decent chunk of the Inner Ring and pick off some stragglers one-by-one in the process. A near-bloodless coup once the stage has been properly set won't be at all out of reach.
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OctarineShrike
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We could try silence. We could try displacement of ourselves and the ring, regarding ourselves as separate people. Hunger as a human being has no hostility to temple society. But Hunger the Ring wants to bring it down out of ring to ring solidarity.
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Alright, fun time's over.
I offer one (1) chibi of the voter's choice to anyone switching from Crimson Flare to Renaissance Woman. Offer is valid for the first ten people to switch, can be any character, be it OC, from popular media, from a quest, etc.
Chibis will be done by the end of July.
I offer one (1) chibi of the voter's choice to anyone switching from Crimson Flare to Renaissance Woman. Offer is valid for the first ten people to switch, can be any character, be it OC, from popular media, from a quest, etc.
Chibis will be done by the end of July.
OctarineShrike
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Or rephrasing it a bit, we do not exist as a person to question. So we can genuinely say we bare no hostility to temple society. We are not a person. We are a ring. He thinks we're a person to question and we just don't correct him.
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Yeah. For all that we treat Letrizia as a precocious child she is still a Duchess that is considered one of the best fighters the empire has with all that it entails.
It just so happens that the best source of power she has is so damaged and crippled that it isn't even funny. A part of me wonders just how powerful the Devouring Armament is at the peak of its power.
And how it changes the interpersonal relations once we get to the Human Sphere.
The sheer modern lingo and means that she describes how the payments go through really does hit home that this is an advanced society that just has access to magic and has even scienced it to a degree.
And doesn't the Voyaging realm actively fuck with navigation if you aren't at high enough rank? I could see that being a problem for her after she leaves Hunger's service.
The normal banter between Hunger and Gisena is nice as always. Two beings that treat each other as equals. It really hammers home why I want Rennaisance Woman.
So our offer is actually really generous for the services offered. Now I feel rather cheated when it comes to paying Arete to bring her with us. But then again she will be caught in Hunger's triggering of the Apocryphal Curse. I can see her approach death numerous times.
And Letrizia shows her age and naivety.
So Aeira is actually a rather big deal for the nation. The Scion of a Fallen Noble kept in its place by enemies. It says something about them that despite being heavily in debt and denied positions of power they still have enemies that keep them down.
I can understand why Aeira is doing this. The people of the Sovereignty can do shit to Hunger and the sheer power he showed in taking down Rotspawn. A part of me wishes that we dealt with the Rotbeast on the way out.
That said I have misgivings on the leverage our enemies can have on her. What she believes is not what would actually happen after all and I would hate to buff her up only to have her leave us because of family being taken hostage.
And Hunger knows it.
And Aeira shows that she is still very much a teenager, and only her circumstances are pushing her to enter such a dangerous line of work. Really dangerous.
Though her friend is concerning. People grow distant with time after all and it would be rather unfortunate if that causes contact with the Sovereignty to break.
And now I'm fearing the Rotbeast escalating after I leave.
And now I wish we paid her more. Seriously? That much money and that is only with helping with interest payments? Shit, how will they get rid of their debt at that rate?
And now I feel like Aeira only got it because Letrizia felt pity for her. Actually I can see Aeira leaving our service after the contract ends and serving under Letrizia. She is after all a Duchess still and having such a versatile magic user would actually rather useful given how valuable any mage is to the Human Sphere.
Actually it is potent enough to even effect Hunger? Well I guess he is still rather weak to magic despite having got immense offensive powers and physical durability.
I wonder if it is possible to harvest her element. Shadowcord is shadowy threads. And it amplifies Agility. So elements have effects other than the direct capability of their wielder. I thought QuickWater and Edeldross was special in that regard.
Elixer is a seperatist state from the Empire. Actually I feel for Letrizia. She probably also suffers from the extreme force of personality that Hunger and Gisena exert. This is probably good for Letrizia with her interacting with someone who does not bear such capabilities.
I now have to look back at all the interactions Hunger has with normal people and take into account how that force is exerting pressure on people's minds.
Ah the age old question of when charisma grows enough to be outright mind control.
So Shadowcord is not perfect. That either means that Vershlengorge is either too large to be fully concealed or there are creatures that seek out the Devouring Armament in particular. Given the Voyaging Realm is the work of the Foremost I wouldn't put the latter out of mind.
Gisena is taking a really long time to develop her power up. Why, Hunger's already experienced a handful in the time it will take her. Just another reason to get Renaissance Woman. We can't wait for our allies to get that buff, especially a long term one like Gisena!
I feel uneasy about this. Force of Personality is not just a supernatural pressure, it is an increase in perspective and wits that also changes the way a person thinks. A being that is too smart literally starts to fall away from baseline humanity. Not sure how that would go with how Accretion does it stuff, but it will be a worry.
Though can he reactive it like how he restricts his strength in the spars?
And more banter.
And more banter.
And they are talking with each other on a giant robot's shoulder with her leaning on his shoulder, giving out banter. Yeah I can definitely see the chemistry and relations going on.
A part of me wants to know if it is her nature as a Remittance that had the accursed set up these circumstances, her own personality, or the fact that we took so many actions to improve relations with her.
It's been barely a month after all.
And the slight hint that Hunger is still using the nap feature to heal himself and grow stronger. It is so slight that we probably don't see it expressed mechanically.
And Hunger's opinion of the Ring as another being and a peer. Is that the effect of being so intertwined with the Ring of Blood, mental pollution, or just how he thinks?
Accretion is the symbiosis between artifact and bearer after all. Just as Hunger shapes them they do shape him as well as they both grow in power though the Ring is probably more intelligent and with more violation than other items usually are.
Hunger's original panapoly was his armor after all. I wonder what he developed when he still had it, as well as the Forebear's blade. It must have been something given that he was Rank 8 or something.
And Hunger is still so austere despite having a ring that should fill him with vigor and hunger for all the pleasures of life. I hate to see him without its effects.
Yeah. For all that we treat Letrizia as a precocious child she is still a Duchess that is considered one of the best fighters the empire has with all that it entails.
It just so happens that the best source of power she has is so damaged and crippled that it isn't even funny. A part of me wonders just how powerful the Devouring Armament is at the peak of its power.
And how it changes the interpersonal relations once we get to the Human Sphere.
The sheer modern lingo and means that she describes how the payments go through really does hit home that this is an advanced society that just has access to magic and has even scienced it to a degree.
And doesn't the Voyaging realm actively fuck with navigation if you aren't at high enough rank? I could see that being a problem for her after she leaves Hunger's service.
The normal banter between Hunger and Gisena is nice as always. Two beings that treat each other as equals. It really hammers home why I want Rennaisance Woman.
So our offer is actually really generous for the services offered. Now I feel rather cheated when it comes to paying Arete to bring her with us. But then again she will be caught in Hunger's triggering of the Apocryphal Curse. I can see her approach death numerous times.
And Letrizia shows her age and naivety.
So Aeira is actually a rather big deal for the nation. The Scion of a Fallen Noble kept in its place by enemies. It says something about them that despite being heavily in debt and denied positions of power they still have enemies that keep them down.
I can understand why Aeira is doing this. The people of the Sovereignty can do shit to Hunger and the sheer power he showed in taking down Rotspawn. A part of me wishes that we dealt with the Rotbeast on the way out.
That said I have misgivings on the leverage our enemies can have on her. What she believes is not what would actually happen after all and I would hate to buff her up only to have her leave us because of family being taken hostage.
And Hunger knows it.
And Aeira shows that she is still very much a teenager, and only her circumstances are pushing her to enter such a dangerous line of work. Really dangerous.
Though her friend is concerning. People grow distant with time after all and it would be rather unfortunate if that causes contact with the Sovereignty to break.
And now I'm fearing the Rotbeast escalating after I leave.
And now I wish we paid her more. Seriously? That much money and that is only with helping with interest payments? Shit, how will they get rid of their debt at that rate?
And now I feel like Aeira only got it because Letrizia felt pity for her. Actually I can see Aeira leaving our service after the contract ends and serving under Letrizia. She is after all a Duchess still and having such a versatile magic user would actually rather useful given how valuable any mage is to the Human Sphere.
Actually it is potent enough to even effect Hunger? Well I guess he is still rather weak to magic despite having got immense offensive powers and physical durability.
I wonder if it is possible to harvest her element. Shadowcord is shadowy threads. And it amplifies Agility. So elements have effects other than the direct capability of their wielder. I thought QuickWater and Edeldross was special in that regard.
Elixer is a seperatist state from the Empire. Actually I feel for Letrizia. She probably also suffers from the extreme force of personality that Hunger and Gisena exert. This is probably good for Letrizia with her interacting with someone who does not bear such capabilities.
I now have to look back at all the interactions Hunger has with normal people and take into account how that force is exerting pressure on people's minds.
Ah the age old question of when charisma grows enough to be outright mind control.
So Shadowcord is not perfect. That either means that Vershlengorge is either too large to be fully concealed or there are creatures that seek out the Devouring Armament in particular. Given the Voyaging Realm is the work of the Foremost I wouldn't put the latter out of mind.
Gisena is taking a really long time to develop her power up. Why, Hunger's already experienced a handful in the time it will take her. Just another reason to get Renaissance Woman. We can't wait for our allies to get that buff, especially a long term one like Gisena!
I feel uneasy about this. Force of Personality is not just a supernatural pressure, it is an increase in perspective and wits that also changes the way a person thinks. A being that is too smart literally starts to fall away from baseline humanity. Not sure how that would go with how Accretion does it stuff, but it will be a worry.
Though can he reactive it like how he restricts his strength in the spars?
And more banter.
And more banter.
And they are talking with each other on a giant robot's shoulder with her leaning on his shoulder, giving out banter. Yeah I can definitely see the chemistry and relations going on.
A part of me wants to know if it is her nature as a Remittance that had the accursed set up these circumstances, her own personality, or the fact that we took so many actions to improve relations with her.
It's been barely a month after all.
And the slight hint that Hunger is still using the nap feature to heal himself and grow stronger. It is so slight that we probably don't see it expressed mechanically.
And Hunger's opinion of the Ring as another being and a peer. Is that the effect of being so intertwined with the Ring of Blood, mental pollution, or just how he thinks?
Accretion is the symbiosis between artifact and bearer after all. Just as Hunger shapes them they do shape him as well as they both grow in power though the Ring is probably more intelligent and with more violation than other items usually are.
Hunger's original panapoly was his armor after all. I wonder what he developed when he still had it, as well as the Forebear's blade. It must have been something given that he was Rank 8 or something.
And Hunger is still so austere despite having a ring that should fill him with vigor and hunger for all the pleasures of life. I hate to see him without its effects.
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Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
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- USA
I'm 99.99% sure that's not how that works, but you say that with such +Cha that the other .001% of me is convinced. New strategy: persuade everyone that we don't have agency, actually, so they should just leave us alone.
Now that i think about it, he does kind of treat all this like it's happening for the first time, you'd think Rank 7.5+ Hunger already had to grapple with these issues. Maybe he felt it was burn worthy material?
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
He was never without a relative equal, I think - at the very least, Catherine was always on his level. Then she died, but then Hunger became a scrub. I could see how it wouldn't have been a priority to figure out.
OctarineShrike
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Basically, it's a crazy scheme rooted in displacing our entire concept of self into the ring, running with this quote from Red of Sky and Fang
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Excellent, PM me with the details!
9 spots left, if anyone else wants to take the deal!
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
We are also our Sword though. I'm not sure if this helps or hurts the scheme. But if you take this quote from Wolf Moon, our sword can have no hostility to temple society yet the ring can.
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Huh, I like the thought, that's almost our default state in everything but habit. In order to actually answer the question, there'd have to be a shell personality that could honestly have whatever intentions Avecorn desired, but that Hunger could pull the plug on before he did anything we didn't want. Not that we have that capability, of course. We're already at the point of killing ourself for power, murdering slightly altered versions of yourself to escape awkward conversations is hardly worse, right? Or we could just put them in a box, I guess. Carousel of personalities, changing faces to fit the situation? That's a single "character"/body's whole schtick, so there's no wordcount for it.
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